Take that Serie A

[# 9]

not a bad looking designed top. quite nice colour scheme

[Facts and Stats]

Hawkesy, going back before I lost the plot with the italians in-fighting. There are at least 2 poms in this thread, unless you are not really one after all

[Hawkesy]

Hawkesy, going back before I lost the plot with the italians in-fighting. There are at least 2 poms in this thread, unless you are not really one after all

GOOD!!

But do you support your local team?

[Facts and Stats]

No,I chose my team when they lost a Cup Final. The fact I was 8 and didn't know where Liverpool was may not be an excuse, but my history with the club proves I am no bandwagoner.

[vigilante]

the only thing english about those 3 clubs are the location of their stadiums.

it is obvous if you took away the foreign involvement (players, coaches & investment) and you had to rely on the english element they'd be in the same position as the english national team.

[ForzaChievo]

3 English Clubs in the semis
Last year the same 3 English clubs in the semis

Now try and say your league is better!!


(I posted this for the mass hysteria and arguing it will cause)

Because the EPL has 4 clubs who constantly finish top 4, does that mean it is the best league?

You can pick how the top 4 will finish in the EPL before every season starts, you cann't do that in Italy.

[Facts and Stats]

I would prefer to have foreign investment and players that corrupt ones

Sadly the England manager is having legal issues at present....where is he from
Berlusconi is hardy squeaky clean
Juventus were relegated....a case of mass injustice I'm sure

Do I need to go on......


This post has the same disclaimer as my original one.

As for the top 4 comment, please say something that hasn't been said and shot down in this thread already

[Piola]

I would prefer to have foreign investment and players that corrupt ones

Sadly the England manager is having legal issues at present....where is he from
Berlusconi is hardy squeaky clean
Juventus were relegated....a case of mass injustice I'm sure

Do I need to go on......


This post has the same disclaimer as my original one.

As for the top 4 comment, please say something that hasn't been said and shot down in this thread already

No need to go on. None of us are going to listen to the shit that comes out of your mouth. fair enoiugh you might just be trying to stir shit, but there are so many stronzi who actually believe that the English game is the best one, its a complete joke.

simply vaffanculo

in any case I'd much rather watch a Serie B match than a CL match between 2 non-italian sides.

[FerrariTifosi27]

You guys (EPL Clubs) may better in the Champions League because you guys have more foreigners and don't focus on building players in your youth academy. All the Serie A clubs are more focused on building their own young bright talented stars. Your league has the advantage with foreigners but our league is more passionate with bigger supporter groups like the Ultras and besides our league has more goals scored than any other league every week.

[# 9]

You guys (EPL Clubs) may better in the Champions League because you guys have more foreigners and don't focus on building players in your youth academy. All the Serie A clubs are more focused on building their own young bright talented stars. Your league has the advantage with foreigners but our league is more passionate with bigger supporter groups like the Ultras and besides our league has more goals scored than any other league every week.

seriously mate, you dont critisize a mans passion for a club. passion for something can not be judged, silly statement really. its like saying who is more passionate about their team, balotta for lazio or hawkesy for millwall, thats dumb. and you cant be serious to call your league better soley on the fact that your league scores more goals in a gameweek, that shows lack of defence quality. and to say that you cant predict a top 4 to finish in the serie a shows lack of consistency from the so called top sides not nessecerally depth quality in 20 teams.

[vigilante]

my argument is not about corruption etc we all know that abramovich et al. are squeaky clean it is based on the amount of foreign influence in your game, particularly at the larger clubs. apart from the location of their stadiums what is english about them? Un cazzo that's what

[Facts and Stats]

Real madrid dosprove the comment about buying always get success.

I support the CLUB not the players I honestly couldn't care if they are black, white, green or gay! Yes if they are all English its a bonus but winning (fairly) is more important to me than where they are from. Would you really all prefer lack of success and an all Italian team? If so, fair enough but I like winning.

[FerrariTifosi27]

You guys (EPL Clubs) may better in the Champions League because you guys have more foreigners and don't focus on building players in your youth academy. All the Serie A clubs are more focused on building their own young bright talented stars. Your league has the advantage with foreigners but our league is more passionate with bigger supporter groups like the Ultras and besides our league has more goals scored than any other league every week.

seriously mate, you dont critisize a mans passion for a club. passion for something can not be judged, silly statement really. its like saying who is more passionate about their team, balotta for lazio or hawkesy for millwall, thats dumb. and you cant be serious to call your league better soley on the fact that your league scores more goals in a gameweek, that shows lack of defence quality. and to say that you cant predict a top 4 to finish in the serie a shows lack of consistency from the so called top sides not nessecerally depth quality in 20 teams.

It's not a silly statement, every Serie A fan I know has told me that. It was not just that our league is better defensively and technically. In the EPL it's just the top 4 clubs taking the piss. In the Serie A the lower clubs challenge and beat the bigger clubs as well.

Damn red & blue army the tonigol version 2.0

[Facts and Stats]

and besides our league has more goals scored than any other league every week

I really do worry about schooling here in Aus.

EPL goals scored, 860 games played 660 = 1.30 goals per game
Serie A goals scored 793, games played 638 = 1.24 goals per game

[Piola]

Un cazzo that's what

i cazzi Italiani è più grande di tutti cazzi inglesi


---------Pts
Inter 72
Roma 68
Juventus 58
Fiorentina 56
Milan 52
Sampdoria 52
Udinese 51
Genoa 42
Atalanta 41
Napoli 40
Lazio 39
Palermo 39
Siena 37
Torino 34
Catania 32
Parma 30
Livorno 29
Empoli 29
Cagliari 29
Reggina 27

-------Pts
Chievo 72
Bologna 70
Albinoleffe 68
Lecce 66
Brescia 63
Pisa 62

coming up
Empoli - Parma
Genoa - Torino
Inter - Fiorentina
Juventus - Milan
Lazio - Siena
Livorno - Cagliari
Napoli - Atalanta
Palermo - Catania
Reggina - Sampdoria
Udinese - Roma

Albinoleffe - Brescia
Bari - Spezia
Cesena - Rimini
Chievo - Bologna
Frosinone - Ascoli
Grosseto - Triestina
Mantova - Treviso
Modena - Lecce
Pisa - Messina
Ravenna - Piacenza
Vicenza - Avellino

pretty convincing stuff, specially when you are guaranteed cracking goals and many-goal thrillers a

[FerrariTifosi27]

and besides our league has more goals scored than any other league every week

I really do worry about schooling here in Aus.

EPL goals scored, 860 games played 660 = 1.30 goals per game
Serie A goals scored 793, games played 638 = 1.24 goals per game

That's cause Ronaldo & Torres score every game those two make your league famous.

[# 9]

You guys (EPL Clubs) may better in the Champions League because you guys have more foreigners and don't focus on building players in your youth academy. All the Serie A clubs are more focused on building their own young bright talented stars. Your league has the advantage with foreigners but our league is more passionate with bigger supporter groups like the Ultras and besides our league has more goals scored than any other league every week.

seriously mate, you dont critisize a mans passion for a club. passion for something can not be judged, silly statement really. its like saying who is more passionate about their team, balotta for lazio or hawkesy for millwall, thats dumb. and you cant be serious to call your league better soley on the fact that your league scores more goals in a gameweek, that shows lack of defence quality. and to say that you cant predict a top 4 to finish in the serie a shows lack of consistency from the so called top sides not nessecerally depth quality in 20 teams.

It's not a silly statement, every Serie A fan I know has told me that. It was not just that our league is better defensively and technically. In the EPL it's just the top 4 clubs taking the piss. In the Serie A the lower clubs challenge and beat the bigger clubs as well.

Damn red & blue army the tonigol version 2.0

nah mate its the top four of the EPL dominating the world.

[vigilante]

it's about maintaining identity and a connection with where you are from. there is foreign investment to some degree in most clubs but amongst the bigger clubs in england there is nothing that remains of them apart from where they play that is solely english. they are bastard children of globalisation - franchises!

[Facts and Stats]

Did I say they were coming?

The players that I will have by mid June

Zidane (juventus)
Maldini
Messi
Del Piero
Fabregas
Toure
Rooney (restock)
C Ronaldo (restock)
G Neville
Alex Ferguson
Torres
Owen Hargreaves
Henry (Barcelona)
Maicon
Sagna
Tevez

[ForzaChievo]

I would prefer to have foreign investment and players that corrupt ones

Sadly the England manager is having legal issues at present....where is he from
Berlusconi is hardy squeaky clean
Juventus were relegated....a case of mass injustice I'm sure

Do I need to go on......

You talk about corruption, why don't you go read up on how Arsenal were allowed entry into the old English first division.

Corruption hasn't just happen in Italian football, but i guess you all think your precious English game is how do you say it 'squeaky clean'.

As for the top 4 comment, please say something that hasn't been said and shot down in this thread already

Well it's true, you go on about the EPL being the best league in the world & yet only 4 teams can win it every season.

[Facts and Stats]

Correct me if I'm wrong but since 1992 haven't only AC, Inter (once) Juve and Roma (twice ?) won Serie A?

[Piola]

Correct me if I'm wrong but since 1992 haven't only AC, Inter (once) Juve and Roma (twice ?) won Serie A?

love how you start at 1992

but NO Roma have only won 1, the other and better centenary scudetto was won by Lazio, Inter have 2 titles (1 from the courts, 1 on the park), Roma champions in 2001, the rest shared by Milan and Juve.

[Facts and Stats]

I started in 1992 as that is when the EPL started, most think football started then

[Piola]

I started in 1992 as that is when the EPL started, most think football started then

you sure about that because pre-1992 a number of different sides won Italian championships like Sampdoria, Napoli and Verona.

if your really want to see that there is no true big 4 dominance and small sides can reach great heights have a look at some past tables.

[ForzaChievo]

love how you start at 1992

but NO Roma have only won 1, the other and better centenary scudetto was won by Lazio, Inter have 2 titles (1 from the courts, 1 on the park), Roma champions in 2001, the rest shared by Milan and Juve.

I love how he skips the fact that Arsenal were corrupt enough to gain entry into the first division, because doesn't that only happen in Italy?

[ForzaChievo]

if your really want to see that there is no true big 4 dominance and small sides can reach great heights have a look at some past tables.

That was one of the points i was trying to get across, Serie A have had many different teams finish in the top four over a long period of time.

[Pinturicchio]

i cant believe people dont rate pires come on hes a gun, hes won a world cup and a european cup with the national side, for a midfielder he scores a lot of goals!! dont get me wrong i appreciate serie a football alot more than epl but a good footballer is a good footballer, dont bag someone that brought some flair and culture to an otherwise ugly league.

i thought it was obvious italian football would struggle in ucl for the next couple of years, claciopoli has had a major effect on the league, give serie a some time to recover fully, then be weary

[FerrariTifosi27]

the English clubs may be dominating Champions League, but we are the Current World Champions. When was the last time England won a World Cup? 1966 I believe. You have a long way to catch up to Italy or Brazil. You better have a picture of 'The Hat' Capello on your walls at home and praise it because he is the best thing England has at the moment.

[vigilante]

Vicenza - Avellino

marco you forgot to bolden the most important game of them all!!! CL this CL that!! this is the only game that matters - it's either purgatorio or inferno for us. massive game for the club

[FerrariTifosi27]

i cant believe people dont rate pires come on hes a gun, hes won a world cup and a european cup with the national side, for a midfielder he scores a lot of goals!! dont get me wrong i appreciate serie a football alot more than epl but a good footballer is a good footballer, dont bag someone that brought some flair and culture to an otherwise ugly league.

i thought it was obvious italian football would struggle in ucl for the next couple of years, claciopoli has had a major effect on the league, give serie a some time to recover fully, then be weary

Agreed, the Calciopoli has heavily affected our league. Clubs like Juve, Milan, Lazio etc. are rebuilding their squads. I believe that Juve will be a powerhouse once again in the Serie A next season, they are looking to rebuild their ruins by signing some big players Amauri, Diego, Van Der Vaart to name a couple. Milan are restructuring there squad and are looking at some class players as well: Ronaldinho, Schweinsteiger, Lell, Alex Silva, Miguel Veloso, Ochoa, Gomes, Zambrotta, Berbatov.

Once those affected clubs rebuild they will start to challenge the English clubs in UEFA.