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 Post subject: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:07 pm 
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The cup draw happened yesterday, although I haven't found the fixtures on line. I believe that these are the first round match ups in the WNPL/State League cup- first team listed is home: If I've been misinformed or made an error, feel free to make a correction....

Cumberland v. Para Hills
Salisbury United v. Salisbury Inter
Western Strikers v. Uni
Croydon v. West Adelaide
Campbelltown v. Fulham
Jaguars v. City
Metro bye
Comets bye

If the way the draw was done is the way it's always been done in the past, then all the teams get put in a pot and randomly drawn out one by one, first drawn is home and second away in each pair.

I wonder what the statistical probability is that there are no matches between WNPL clubs and none between State League Clubs, and that the two byes fall one in each competition...I'm not sure I've ever seen that happen before. Was anyone at the draw and can comment?

And for anyone who is going to ask, NTC has never played in the Cup.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:26 am 
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some interesting matches


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:12 pm 
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Is some suspecting that something is wrong in the way the draw is conducted and the probabilities of no WNPL Clubs playing each other? Perish the thought!

See City and Westies have done very well in the draw.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:07 pm 
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Having done the draw myself in the past, I am NOT questioning the integrity of the draw- that also questions the personal integrity of those who conduct it, and that’s not on. I was merely wondering whether the procedure was the same as in years past, and remarking that the way it turned out is unusual compared to other draws I’ve seen.
And if you ask me, all of the WNPL clubs did well in the draw.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:44 pm 
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We had someone at the draw, and it done just by random with all teams put together in one cup, and teams randomly pulled out. A coincidence for sure!


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
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Lol
The girls who left Inter and went to Para now at Salisbury, get to play their old club 2 years in a row in the cup.

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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:36 am 
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juniorsupporter wrote:
The cup draw happened yesterday, although I haven't found the fixtures on line. I believe that these are the first round match ups in the WNPL/State League cup- first team listed is home: If I've been misinformed or made an error, feel free to make a correction....

Cumberland v. Para Hills
Salisbury United v. Salisbury Inter
Western Strikers v. Uni
Croydon v. West Adelaide
Campbelltown v. Fulham
Jaguars v. City
Metro bye
Comets bye

If the way the draw was done is the way it's always been done in the past, then all the teams get put in a pot and randomly drawn out one by one, first drawn is home and second away in each pair.

2 teams with a bye, surely they could play each other!

I wonder what the statistical probability is that there are no matches between WNPL clubs and none between State League Clubs, and that the two byes fall one in each competition...I'm not sure I've ever seen that happen before. Was anyone at the draw and can comment?

And for anyone who is going to ask, NTC has never played in the Cup.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:23 am 
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You need 8 teams going into the next round. If metro and comets played each other, you’d only have 7. This is standard fixture structure when you have 14 teams to work with...


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:03 pm 
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juniorsupporter wrote:
You need 8 teams going into the next round. If metro and comets played each other, you’d only have 7. This is standard fixture structure when you have 14 teams to work with...


thanks picked it up after I submitted my post, getting old takes a while for the brain to kick in.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:29 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 1:26 pm 
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What are peoples picks for the cup round?
Mine are:

Cumberland v. Para Hills
Salisbury United v. Salisbury Inter
Western Strikers v. Uni
Croydon v. West Adelaide
Campbelltown v. Fulham
Jaguars v. City

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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 1:37 pm 
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Some good games and an "upset" abounds.

Cumberland to defeat Para Hills
Salisbury Inter to defeat its home town rivals Salisbury United and take home the bragging rights
Uni to defeat the Strikers,. Not easily but a tight game awaits
Westies to defeat Croydon in a demolition job
Campbelltown to easily defeat its soon to be league mates Fulham
City to defeat the Jaguars. This will be a good game though as the Jaguars can put up a good fight.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:46 pm 
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I agree with your tips BTK except Campbelltown to beat Fulham. Campbelltown have won only 3 times this season and currently sit 5th. They are a very young team and whilst they have a lot of potential will find it very hard to compete with Fulham in my opinion. There is a big difference between the WNPL and the State League teams (excluding Comets and Salisbury United). Fulham are slowly improving (demonstrated during recent losses 1 nil to Inter and 2 nil to NTC) and I believe will win easy against Campbelltown 5-0. No certainty just yet, to get relegated either. Long way to go….


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:18 pm 
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All Prems sides to win easily.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:47 pm 
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Ok I concede....maybe I was looking for the result most likely to cause an upset.

Whilst Campbelltown aren't sitting up at the top of their Division, Fulham are planted at the bottom. Therefore, my prediction was based on many factors

I will concede that it is highly likely Fulham will win, it may be a win by the slightest margin.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:32 pm 
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So it would seem that Croydon has forfeited their match with West Adelaide. Jaguars Reserves forfeited against City as well. ☹️


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 6:18 pm 
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Uni 11-0 strikers
Fulham 5-0 Campbelltown
Cumby 5- 1PHK
Inter 7- 1 United
WA 3- Croydon 0 (forfeit)
City 23-0 Jaguars


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:44 am 
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Results all went the way of the Premier League teams.

Seriously though for the integrity of the competition, Jaguars cannot continue to draw a game against a prems side when results like that occur. Apart from the forfeit (that's another story in itself), the results were ok. Whilst commendable Jaguars didn't take the Croydon option and forfeit, 23-0 isn't good for them, City or the competition.

Will be interesting to see the pairings for the next round.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 11:12 am 
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Disappointing to have 3 forfeits in the reserves cup out of 6 games.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 11:25 am 
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Jaguars/City game wasn’t fun for anyone- A positive is that the Jaguars girls kept their heads up and worked hard the whole game. Their coach was unfailingly positive and supportive of the girls. The club is to be commended for such a strong show of character. Success will come for them if they continue that way.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:10 pm 
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What a dissappointing cup round.
The FFSA needs to act on those clubs that forfeited and fine them accordingly and ban them for next years cup round.
It shows disrespect to the womens cup competition.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:17 pm 
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Lose 20+ nil - terrible - OR
Forfeit - terrible

Make up your minds.

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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:42 pm 
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Not too difficult to fix this. Don't fine anyone, just have seeding in the competition so the stronger sides join later. Getting beaten by a big score doesn't help anyone, neither does forfeiting.

The oldest Cup competition in the world (FA Cup) starts in August but the Premier League sides don't take part until the following January.......


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:53 pm 
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Bomber wrote:
Lose 20+ nil - terrible - OR
Forfeit - terrible

Make up your minds.


Both are equally "terrible"!

This to me just highlight's the massive problem with State League. All SL teams should be relishing the opportunity to test themselves against WNPL (inc res) teams to benchmark their ability's and determine area in their game that needs improving to help them achieve WNPL promotion. The fact SL teams forfeited games against WNPL teams because "they didn't want to get battered" shows they should be in the community league.

I have a lot of respect for Jags who knew it was going to be a one sided game but still turned up (compared to other teams in their comp) however the gap in ability between SL and WNPL should not be that big to warrant that kind of score.

The FFSA really need to start to stop pretending that it is good for the game and development to have what should be Community Div teams in SL and turn it back into a high quality competition, reflecting the second highest tier in South Australian Women's Football.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 2:03 pm 
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Rascal21 wrote:
Bomber wrote:
Lose 20+ nil - terrible - OR
Forfeit - terrible

Make up your minds.


Both are equally "terrible"!

This to me just highlight's the massive problem with State League. All SL teams should be relishing the opportunity to test themselves against WNPL (inc res) teams to benchmark their ability's and determine area in their game that needs improving to help them achieve WNPL promotion. The fact SL teams forfeited games against WNPL teams because "they didn't want to get battered" shows they should be in the community league.

I have a lot of respect for Jags who knew it was going to be a one sided game but still turned up (compared to other teams in their comp) however the gap in ability between SL and WNPL should not be that big to warrant that kind of score.

The FFSA really need to start to stop pretending that it is good for the game and development to have what should be Community Div teams in SL and turn it back into a high quality competition, reflecting the second highest tier in South Australian Women's Football.


The FFSA are encouraging all NPL teams to field women's teams. All well and good, but the talent is too thin, clearly.
Expectations might just be too high at present. Over time, this will probably change for the better, especially if the Matildas continue to shine on the world stage.
Given the gaps, maybe the cup comp needs to have some play-offs first (lower leagues) and then introduce the PL teams later.

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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 2:24 pm 
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Brilliant discussions about the Cup and how its should happen in the future so that we can try and avoid blowouts and forfeits.

You ought to put that forward to the FFSA.

On another note, the depth of talent is a issue that needs to be addressed. I get the NTC competition and how its producing top notch players for the league however, this is top end talent that's destined for the WNPL and not SL. Unless of course the downward pressure by the NTC may see some WNPL players pushed out of their respective WNPL teams disperse into the SL.

Work needs to happen in S clubs s is happening in the WNPL. The good performing teams are establishing strong off field structures to develop players. Those that are behind the ball like Fulham will quickly fall away. The SL may be resultant to do so and we then get we get the situation like Campbelltown that quickly exists the WNPL without striking a blow. NTC is a different beast and will stay in the WNPL Because of many factors including strong off field and developmental programs. SL clubs need to take responsibility to ready themselves for a strike at the WNPL promotion opportunity.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:01 pm 
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juniorsupporter wrote:
So it would seem that Croydon has forfeited their match with West Adelaide. Jaguars Reserves forfeited against City as well. ☹️



As did Western Strikers reserves V Uni


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
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Oh really? Positive? Grin and bear it maybe. Cup comp needs a revamp in line with what's been discussed herein

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Jaguars/City game wasn’t fun for anyone- A positive is that the Jaguars girls kept their heads up and worked hard the whole game. Their coach was unfailingly positive and supportive of the girls. The club is to be commended for such a strong show of character. Success will come for them if they continue that way.


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
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Sorry Billy- I saw their effort and comportment as something worthy of a positive mention. As I said, it wasn’t particularly enjoyable for any of the players on either side. Yes, Jaguars did ‘grin and bear it’. My point was they did so with class and made the best of it. Were you there?


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 Post subject: Re: Cup Round 1
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Hi. No I was not there. Not sure how anything positive can come out of a 23-0 win.


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