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Rage Against The Macheda

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As Manchester United’s gamble on a 17-year-old Italian pays off, Steve Wilson wonders why clubs on the peninsula can’t have more faith in youth



Yesterday a 17-year-old won the championship for his side. But Inter’s winner was an own goal from Udinese’s Mauricio Isla – who is 20 – I hear you cry. Well, I’m not talking about Serie A. I’m talking about the Premier League and Manchester United’s Italian hero Federico Macheda.

The Roman teenager is the talk of the tabloids today after his injury time goal gave the Red Devils a win against Aston Villa. Had they dropped points yesterday the momentum in the title race would have been with Liverpool, as it is United look like, inevitably, going on to bag their 18th title.

But, isn’t it a little odd seeing a talented young Italian breaking out in England? Well, think back a couple of years and another, Giuseppe Rossi, was also introducing himself to the world as a 17-year-old in Salford. How often do we see teenagers given a chance at that age in Italy?

Okay, I grant you Mario Balotelli – but the fact that he is such an obvious exception to the rule highlights calcio’s problem with youth. Alexandre Pato was already a star when Milan signed him, while Sebastian Giovinco had to prove himself at Empoli before getting his Juve jersey.

Alberto Paloschi did enough in his rookie games for Milan to prove his worth. His reward? A loan spell in Serie B with Parma, while veterans like Andriy Shevchenko and Pippo Inzaghi take the squad positions in the Rossoneri’s attacking line-up.

The contract system in Italy allows Premier League clubs to pick off talent like Rossi and Macheda, but if teenagers in Rome, Milan and Turin see them given playing time at top English clubs while their counter-parts in Italy are farmed out to Serie B, where will they aspire to be?

There are signs of change. Jose Mourinho – an English influenced boss – has given Balotelli and Davide Santon chances at Inter while Anglo alumni Claudio Ranieri has blooded Juve’s youngsters but at Milan, particularly, the balance is too much in favour of experience over exuberance.

Granted, Macheda wouldn’t have been near the first XI if Wayne Rooney and Dimitar Berbatov had been available. But, there was no shock when the rookie was given his debut, over here we are used to kids being given a chance at the top rather than having to prove themselves.

Let’s not go over the top though, it was a superb goal but it is likely ‘Kiko’ will now go back to the reserves. And he wouldn’t be the first Italian monikered teen to be hailed as the next big thing at Old Trafford – remember Giuliano Maiorana? But it isn’t the player that matters, it’s the fact that he played.

The football machine needs to keep changing in Italy and Balotelli, Santon and Giovinco need to be the rule, not the exception. If they aren’t going to be given a chance at home then more and more of Macheda’s generation are going to end up going overseas to cut their teeth.

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Its a typical Italian mentality, no faith in youth, the claim that they may have quick feet but they have young heads that won't make the right decisions under pressure.
In my opinion, age means nothing, ability is everything and the only way to test a players temperment is to see him under pressure.
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The problem is the stupid rule in italy that they cant sign a player under 18 to a contract. If this was changed, you would probably see alot more youngsters coming through.
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Oh FFS, what a stupid article this is.
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Obviously an anglo article... does this NFI journalist realise that Marcheda, as a 16 year old, was in Lazio's senior squad for the pre-season before he left for the McDonald's of world football?

I mean faaaaark me, how many 16 year olds get a chance at EPL clubs? Marcheda was always going to get his chance at Lazio, as has been discussed, he was the jewel in our youth academy bar none.

I like how the journalist skims over the fact that ManUSA pretty much had to be down to no strikers before they chose to start Marcheda on the bench. England may seem to throw youth in the deep end quicker than most, but that doesn't mean they develop players any better. As if a youth player having to spend a season on loan in Serie B is a bad thing... you just have to look England and where all their best youngsters come from to see the benefit! Walcott, Bale, Ramsey were all RAISED in teams that were not even in the first division. Then you look Mancienne from Chelski, Bentley when at Assnal etc etc, these types of players have turned out to be quality from being laoned out to the lower leagues and getting proper competative experience.

Typical delsuions of granduer from the English in this article, they stole a 16 year old from his hometown and now claim to have pretty much made the player by giving him a chance in the first team, which only came about because of injuries/suspension.
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I think Italy develop young players much much better than the English. It shows in the national teams youth and senior success.
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u italians really hate young players doin well abroad
get ova it
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Absolutely not MUFC girl, its good for the national team, but as for player development, the proof is there for all to see that Italy, Argentina, France and Holland do it better than anyone else.

Italy have won 5/8 Euro Under 21 Titles and the 2006 WC where almost all the squad had won a Euro Under 21 title.
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MUFCBOY wrote:u italians really hate young players doin well abroad
get ova it
Being a Greek supporting an English club you wouldn't know what it is like to see the youngsters taken because other clubs cannot develop their own youth.
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Juventino wrote:
MUFCBOY wrote:u italians really hate young players doin well abroad
get ova it
Being a Greek supporting an English club you wouldn't know what it is like to see the youngsters taken because other clubs cannot develop their own youth.
How can you go for Man U if you are greek? thats really, really strange!
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danlau83 wrote:
Juventino wrote: Being a Greek supporting an English club you wouldn't know what it is like to see the youngsters taken because other clubs cannot develop their own youth.
How can you go for Man U if you are greek? thats really, really strange!
Cos they win heaps of trophies! derr :wink:
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the bloke had just been promoted to the first team when he left. there goes the whole basis of this stronzo's article.

Macheda left for money, not for opportunity.
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If a player is good enough he will get into the first team wherever he plays, no coach (well 99%) plays to lose, so if they see a young gun in the junior set up that will make an impact they will play, whether its in England, Italy or the 'kin faroe Islands. Bollocks article.
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Napoli wrote:The problem is the stupid rule in italy that they cant sign a player under 18 to a contract. If this was changed, you would probably see alot more youngsters coming through.
I agree. Until this rule is changed you will see time and time again youngsters coming up through clubs outside of Italy.
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How can you go for Man U if you are greek? thats really, really strange![/quote]



Whats so strange? How can a Greek living in Australia follow Greek football its not televised? The EPL shows almost all games live and if you like fast attacking football who cares what you ethnic origin is.
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danlau83 wrote:
How can you go for Man U if you are greek? thats really, really strange!
I'm greek and I love and support Manchester United with all my heart, I don't see whats so strange about it. Please elaborate on your statement further so I have full understanding of what you're trying to say.
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I think the feeling is - support a Greek team.
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Juventino wrote:I think the feeling is - support a Greek team.
LOL comon thier Greek not Stupid. :P :P
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Juventino wrote:I think the feeling is - support a Greek team.
I can support whatever team I want. I don't need to support Olympiakos or panathinaikos because they are from the country of my ethnic background. :?
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LOL, Giuliano Maiorana, I'm related to him through a cousin. Haven't heard his name in years!!
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The Joker wrote:
danlau83 wrote:
How can you go for Man U if you are greek? thats really, really strange!
I'm greek and I love and support Manchester United with all my heart, I don't see whats so strange about it. Please elaborate on your statement further so I have full understanding of what you're trying to say.
I mean, you actually dont love Man U like you think you do. Support is not just about the team. Its about the city. Its about the people, love and culture of that city about your experiences and who you are because of that city. Im not having a go at you. I just feel that if you are not from that place, or have never lived there, you can't call yourself true fan. However, we are in Aus and i understand that many people support teams they can actually don't identify with.
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Twitchyarry wrote:
Juventino wrote:I think the feeling is - support a Greek team.
LOL comon thier Greek not Stupid. :P :P
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BAGGIO 15 wrote:Its a typical Italian mentality, no faith in youth, the claim that they may have quick feet but they have young heads that won't make the right decisions under pressure.
In my opinion, age means nothing, ability is everything and the only way to test a players temperment is to see him under pressure.
Wish English clubs had faith in English youth by investing in them. Rather they import junior development coaches rather than importing young talent from overseas.
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danlau83 wrote:
I mean, you actually dont love Man U like you think you do. Support is not just about the team. Its about the city. Its about the people, love and culture of that city about your experiences and who you are because of that city. Im not having a go at you. I just feel that if you are not from that place, or have never lived there, you can't call yourself true fan. However, we are in Aus and i understand that many people support teams they can actually don't identify with.
I am not talking about where I lived or live at the moment. You said its strange that MUFCBOY supports Man Utd because he's Greek, and I still don't understand what you mean by it. Are you saying that if he was another nationality but supported Manchester United it would'nt be strange..?

Oh and I've had plenty of experiences in Manchester, don't you worry about that.
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How can you go for Man U if you are greek? thats really, really strange![/quote]

That has got to be one of the worst posts I have seen on these forums.
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I think he's saying how can you support a club from a place you have no connection to.

Its a roman mentality. Noone supports Roma or Lazio unless you have some tie to the region and the city.

your football club is supposed to represent your identity. So how does Manchester united represent Greeks??
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By going to Man U he has garunteed himself a 10+ year career whether he takes the next level or not. At worst he will end up representing Australia like Max Vieri :oops: . (yes I know he is Italian with no link to Aus)
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pires7 wrote:By going to Man U he has garunteed himself a 10+ year career whether he takes the next level or not. At worst he will end up representing Australia like Max Vieri :oops: .
How can he represent Australia?
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Laziale wrote:
pires7 wrote:By going to Man U he has garunteed himself a 10+ year career whether he takes the next level or not. At worst he will end up representing Australia like Max Vieri :oops: .
How can he represent Australia?
you got in before I could edit my post, just stating the lowest form of a footballing career path/being silly
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I can't believe they used Nazio as a headline. :roll:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... round.html
NAZIO TAKE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND

After a weekend when Dennis Wise left Newcastle with a £1.5 million pay-off, it emerged that Federico Macheda is paid 'just' £1,000 a week to score priceless winning goals for Manchester United.

Neutrals may find it difficult to know which is more annoying. Wise's grin would do it for most of us, but the fact that global supergiants like United pick up the world's best kids for peanuts is pretty galling for their rivals, too.

Lazio (a club few would normally consider to be more sinned against than sinning) have not pulled their punches in their criticism of United this morning.

"All these players are robbed as a matter of course by this club," squealed Lazio president Claudio Lotito.

"They are always outside what is normal in terms of etiquette. They go to the parents and give them money and important jobs. These are boys who come from poor families. The families base their choices on economic interests.

"It is like a cattle market. The young players are treated like cattle. It's not moral."

Being lectured on morality by "Nazio" is probably a first for United, and Fergie has no qualms about using "Kiko" against Porto tonight.

"That goal has galvanised the entire club," he said. "I think he will be involved on the bench. It's difficult to leave him out, isn't it."

Ferg was slightly less happy to chat about Cristiano Ronaldo. Asked "that question" again yesterday, Ferg wailed: "How many times have we had that question? How many times have we had that question?"

His mood may have cheered slightly by this morning's edition of Marca, a paper Ferg normally scans before torching and stamping on.

"Florentino has a 'yes' from Kaka" is the headline, which - please God - suggests this summer may not be dominated by "that question" yet again.
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