Italian Investigations findings. (The Truth)

[BAGGIO 15]

Inter will almost certainly be stripped of 2006 Scudetto

Calciopoli is the talk of Italy today after yesterday's astonishing revelations from FIGC chief investigator Stefano Palazzi. It is now inevitable Inter will lose their 2006 crown
Inter will almost certainly see their 2006 Scudetto revoked when the FIGC convene for a final meeting into their findings from the revelations of the Calciopoli II trial in Naples, but the 2010 European champions will avoid any further sanctions due to the case being out of statute.

The Italian press exploded this morning following yesterday’s revelations by the FIGC (Italian Football Federation) chief investigator Stefano Palazzi, who accused Inter of committing sporting fraud during the 2004-05 season. This had subsequently led to the Calciopoli scandal, which saw Juventus stripped of two Scudetti and relegated to Serie B, and Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina and Reggina issued point penalties for 2006-07.

Palazzi said: "Inter violated the article relative to sporting fraud with regards to the possibility of taking advantages in the standings."

The FIGC handed Palazzi the responsibility of pouring over all the evidence from the Calciopoli II trial in Naples a year ago, during which it was revealed that former Inter directors had had contact with referees and a number of other high-profile Italian football leaders between 2004 and 2006.

Transcripts from wiretaps identified by the Tribunal of Naples also demonstrated that ex-Inter president Giacinto Facchetti enjoyed regular contact with former referee designators Paolo Bergamo and Pierluigi Pairetto.




Palazzi’s findings mean that the 2006 Scudetto taken from Juventus and handed to Inter will almost certainly now be revoked from the Nerazzurri too. The confirmation of this is likely to occur on July 18 when the FIGC convene for a final meeting on the case.

Inter fans (as well as those from Milan and Livorno) will be relieved to know that this will probably be the end of the matter. As Palazzi took over a year to complete his investigation, it now means that the case is out of statute. Italy’s Statute of Limitations states that the maximum time after an event that legal proceedings can be initiated is five years.

Palazzi’s most damaging claims listed the following Calcio figures as being guilty back in 2006 of - along with Juventus - violating Article 1 of the Code of Sporting Justice:

Campedelli (Chievo), Cellino (Cagliari), Corsi (Empoli), Foschi (Palermo), Foti (Reggina), Gasparin (Vicenza), Governato (Brescia), Meani (Milan), Moratti (Inter), Spalletti (Udinese).

Palazzi also alleged that the following men should have been found guilty of violating Article 6 of the Code of Sporting Justice:

Facchetti (Inter), Meani (Milan), Spinelli (Livorno)

Article 6 violations (the attempt to gain an advantage in the standings through match-fixing or attempted match-fixing) are deemed worthy of immediate relegation. Even in the now-discredited trial of 2006, Juventus were cleared of any Article 6 violations, and were only demoted due to a combination of Article 1 violations (unsportsmanlike conduct, which can be anything from swearing on the pitch to excessively calling Bergamo and Pairetto), misdemeanours that had never before resulted in anything more than fines or, at most, a minor points penalty.Thus, according to the findings of the FIGC’s chief investigator, it is Inter, Milan and Livorno who should have been relegated in 2006 and not Juventus.

But, due to the Statute of Limitations, there will be no further punishment. While Juventus will emerge as moral winners after a five-year struggle for justice, their current owners will not embark on the road for compensation for their wrongful relegation. With John Elkann's administration having made big sponsorship deals with Inter-influenced companies TIM and La Gazzetta dello Sport, there is zero possibility of action.

Inter president Massimo Moratti this morning described Palazzi’s claims as an “unacceptable attack”.

But come July 18 his club need a miracle to hold on to the 2006 Scudetto. Even if the title isn't stripped on that date, it seems only a matter of time until it will be. The Scudetto won't be assigned elsewhere. Instead, the championship will represent another blank year in history, just like 2005.

[bapa]

if Inter is found to be guilty, they should serve out a minimal 3 yrs in serie B!!!

[BADA BING]

if Inter is found to be guilty, they should serve out a minimal 3 yrs in serie B!!!

What a joke, how can something that happened so long ago still be investigated?

[Hawkseys Double]

if Inter is found to be guilty, they should serve out a minimal 3 yrs in serie B!!!

What a joke, how can something that happened so long ago still be investigated?

Just because it was long ago does not mean you should not be punished! If I murdered a man, and the Police found me 20 years later I certainly couldn't use that line! (Or can I? BRB I've got some Gooners to kill)

[scipio africanus]

if Inter is found to be guilty, they should serve out a minimal 3 yrs in serie B!!!

What a joke, how can something that happened so long ago still be investigated?

the answer is simple ..... cover up ...

the evidence (wire taps) came from Telecom Italia, owned by a gentleman by the name of Tronchetti-Povera, who also happens to be a inter co-owner with Moratti and board member.

The FIGC (Federation) President at the time was Guido Rossi, who also happens to be a former inter board member.

Who benefitted the most out of calciopoli? which club was in the best position to control and hide the evidence??? I will leave that to you to work out.

It was only when Moggi's criminal trial 12 months ago demanded access to all transcripts, that they discovered 171,000 wire taps that had somehow 'missed' the invesitgation back in 2006. Unsurprisingly, those 171,000 'missed' calls included many calls from Inter to ref's and the head of the ref's.

You start to get the picture??

Thats why Moggi said today ... 'the inter players will no longer be singing we only win clean' .......

Calciopoli was a farce was day one ..... Juve and Moggi till this day were nver found guilty of Sporting fraud, but had two scudetto's stripped and relegated for mere Article 1 beaches, which constitute breaches of sporting misdemenaours, not sporting fraud.

The great irony is, that these latest charges against Inter are not Article 1 breaches, but actually Artice 6 (Sporting Fraud) breaches, much worse than Juve were condemned for.

[getborn]

if Inter is found to be guilty, they should serve out a minimal 3 yrs in serie B!!!

What a joke, how can something that happened so long ago still be investigated?

the answer is simple ..... cover up ...

the evidence (wire taps) came from Telecom Italia, owned by a gentleman by the name of Tronchetti-Povera, who also happens to be a inter co-owner with Moratti and board member.

The FIGC (Federation) President at the time was Guido Rossi, who also happens to be a former inter board member.

Who benefitted the most out of calciopoli? which club was in the best position to control and hide the evidence??? I will leave that to you to work out.

It was only when Moggi's criminal trial 12 months ago demanded access to all transcripts, that they discovered 171,000 wire taps that had somehow 'missed' the invesitgation back in 2006. Unsurprisingly, those 171,000 'missed' calls included many calls from Inter to ref's and the head of the ref's.

You start to get the picture??

Thats why Moggi said today ... 'the inter players will no longer be singing we only win clean' .......

Calciopoli was a farce was day one ..... Juve and Moggi till this day were nver found guilty of Sporting fraud, but had two scudetto's stripped and relegated for mere Article 1 beaches, which constitute breaches of sporting misdemenaours, not sporting fraud.

The great irony is, that these latest charges against Inter are not Article 1 breaches, but actually Artice 6 (Sporting Fraud) breaches, much worse than Juve were condemned for.

[makaveli]

your a fucking idiot Get Born!

[BADA BING]

if Inter is found to be guilty, they should serve out a minimal 3 yrs in serie B!!!

What a joke, how can something that happened so long ago still be investigated?

Just because it was long ago does not mean you should not be punished! If I murdered a man, and the Police found me 20 years later I certainly couldn't use that line! (Or can I? BRB I've got some Gooners to kill)

Yeh but this whole mess was already investigated when Juve got stripped of the title

[makaveli]

What a joke, how can something that happened so long ago still be investigated?[/quote]
Just because it was long ago does not mean you should not be punished! If I murdered a man, and the Police found me 20 years later I certainly couldn't use that line! (Or can I? BRB I've got some Gooners to kill)[/quote]

Yeh but this whole mess was already investigated when Juve got stripped of the title[/quote]

Investigated by people on the Inter payroll.

[Juventino]

With evidence tampered by a person already convicted of such a crime.

[Old Master]

Palazzi’s findings mean that the 2006 Scudetto taken from Juventus and handed to Inter will almost certainly now be revoked from the Nerazzurri too. The confirmation of this is likely to occur on July 18 when the FIGC convene for a final meeting on the case.


So who gets the Scudetto now?

Adelaide United could do with a trophy or two.

[makaveli]

Palazzi’s findings mean that the 2006 Scudetto taken from Juventus and handed to Inter will almost certainly now be revoked from the Nerazzurri too. The confirmation of this is likely to occur on July 18 when the FIGC convene for a final meeting on the case.


So who gets the Scudetto now?

Adelaide United could do with a trophy or two.

it will most likely be revoked and not given to anyone...although it should be returned to Juve.

[Hawkseys Double]

Investigated by people on the Inter payroll.

That's a big claim. Whats the evidence to support this?

[Hawkseys Double]

Yeh but this whole mess was already investigated when Juve got stripped of the title

If any team gets caught cheating, they deserve the penalty. Remind me, AC were caught cheating right? Did they win an silverware during their cheating phase? If so, they should have gone down with Juve.

[Juventino]

That's a whole other issue.

[Hawkseys Double]

That's a whole other issue.

Which is relevant. I thought AC and Juve were under investigation at the same time.

[makaveli]

Investigated by people on the Inter payroll.

That's a big claim. Whats the evidence to support this?

- Guido Rossi wasn’t actually an official president. He was the Head Commissioner of the FIGC because Carraro (then President) was forced to step down due to his heavy role in the wire taps which I’ll touch on in a minute. After the scandal Guido was set to be named President but instead went to Telecom Italia and as a result Inter’s buddy Giancarlo Abete was named president.

- Milan were not exactly implicated in the same fashion Juve were. Milan were actually caught (Meani) ordering refs, requesting refs, and instructing refs/linesmen on how to officiate Milan games (i.e. “keep your flags down unless it’s on the opposite side of the field”). Meani was actually heard threatening a linesman (Coppelli) with violence. Milan were guilty of Article 6 violations and deserved Serie B but since it was the second time in the club’s history (Calcioscomesse in 1980) the team would have likely faced Serie C2 or been dissolved as a company entirely. Due to the severity Galliani used an argument with Chief Federcalcio Investigator Borrelli in a public meeting (held behind closed doors) that Meani acted alone and that his role (Milan Director of Referee Relations????) was separate from the club’s affairs despite Meani being on the Milan payroll for years. To solidify this point Borelli had the phone recordings connecting Meani to Galliani and Berlusconi pulled from the investigation. I still have them and Galliani is made well aware and even encourages Meani’s actions. Borelli effectively managed to reduce Milan’s article 6 violations to an article 1 violation only punishable only by a point deduction…enough to grant Inter its scudetto but keep Milan in the CL wrongfully (win win). Juve on the other hand never requested refs, never spoke with them, and certainly threatened no one and were still tried for Art 6 violations..

- The manipulation of the tapes was proven in court when a Telecom employee (Caterina Platea) confessed to destroying mounds of transcripts and altering names on others. The orders came from a Telecom paid detective (Adamo Bove) who committed suicide within two weeks of his assistant’s confession (July 21 2006 I believe). There are a few videos on the Facebook forum that show a technician manipulating calls with his computer that you should also watch under the SWIS SIM Card link. They actually also speak of a program used to make calls with the voice of another person called “Cambia Voce” (Voice Change). Moggi still insists that some calls (though hardly incriminating) were not his and this program would explain how they came about.

- The question of the “different fate” had Inter not been in charge of the trial is answered by the Torinese Magistrates that handled the exact same tapes months earlier. Juventus were found not guilty of anything at all. It wasn’t until Inter’s henchmen seized their opportunity that all the calls became “incriminating”.

- Fiorentina, Lazio, and Reggina were implicated for minor offenses according to the thread but that is only true for Reggina. The other two were initially tried and found guilty of actual match fixing and rightfully so. Lazio president Lotito begged referee designers for a hand and it got worse when FIGC President Carraro yelled at Referee Designer Bergamo for sending a referee that didn’t assist a struggling Lazio. He was heard saying “even if it isn’t a penalty you tell them to give us the penalty…understand? After they play Milan though…obviously…cause we need to give them a hand”. Why was Carraro (Milanista and former Milan president) so interested in protecting Lazio? Easy, he owns the majority of the team along with Roma, which by the way is already illegal based on the UEFA rule that prohibits dual ownership of clubs within Europe (the rule kept Abramovic of Chelsea from buying Cagliari in 2003). He ownes 40% of Capitalia Investment Bank which owns the majority shares of both AS Roma and SS Lazio. It is no wonder they were of interest. It shouldn’t shock anyone now to see that Roma were never investigated and after an appeal Lazio went from Serie B with a point deduction to Serie A with a 3 point deduction. Fiorentina were also found guilty of attempted match fixing because owner Della Valle proposed fixing Lazio-Fiorentina to Lotito in favour of Fiorentina (a phone call taken out of the investigation on appeal). The reason it was taken out was because if Fiorentina were convicted of attempting to fix that game (ART 6 Violation) then Lazio too would be found guilty of not reporting Della Valle’s actions to the FIGC (also an ART 6 Violation). Fiorentina were only saved by default to protect Carraro’s investment. By the way Berlusconi also has his hand in Capitalia Investment group (being Milan’s owner makes that 3 times illegal).

- Lecce-Parma was the only “fixed” game of the season according to judges but it was really just an excuse. No evidence supports it and when referee De Santis tried to defend his case with video evidence the judges refused to accept the videos claiming that they were irrelevant??????. Truth is someone wanted De Santis discredited, perhaps because of all the incriminating phone calls he received from Facchetti (late Inter President) that could have blown up in Inter’s face. It should be noted that no videos or actual phone calls were allowed to be used as defense in these proceedings because they were deemed irrelevant. An example is when Moggi’s phone call stating that referee Rosetti was “no good for Juve” was used as referee manipulation (he wanted someone else for Juve according to the prosecution). When you listen to the whole call you hear him explain that Rosetti can’t do a Juve game because he is a resident of Piemonte (where Torino is located). Since the Lega rule states no referee can officiate a team of his region, the call can be justified and discredited as evidence of referee manipulation. Moggi couldn’t bring the recording though…it was “irrelevant”. Instead they used the 3 lines or so that the Neapolitan magistrates conveniently extracted from that call to show what they wanted…it was more “relevant” that way.

- Juve’s involvement runs deeper than what is posted in the thread. Caterina Platea also confessed to seeing Montezemolo (Ferrari President and FIAT Director) present at Telecom meetings. The FIAT boys hated the triade and wanted them out definitively (without the possibility of them going to a competitor like Inter and Milan who both tried buying them). They obtained that by selling shares of Juventus to new buyers (hand picked) just prior to the scandal to minimize Moggi and Giraudo’s shareholder voting power. Financial evidence of this can be found in Juve’s financial statements. This lack of voting power forced Moggi and Giraudo to step down and Bettega was soon replaced as well. With the triade castrated, FIAT was finally able to take command of the team and obtain more funding for Ferrari through Telecom Italia sponsorship.

[Hawkseys Double]

Right so, a Inter sympathiser was voted in. HOWEVER, Juve were still guilty of the crimes (or some) of what they were accused of? And their case differed in the sense that they threatened people, rather than instructed them?

I don't really believe that for a moment, I believe Juve are guilty, however! I'm sure AC didn't just simply "instruct" people how to enforce the rules of the game. Either that, or the cash was enough.

[makaveli]

Right so, a Inter sympathiser was voted in. HOWEVER, Juve were still guilty of the crimes (or some) of what they were accused of? And their case differed in the sense that they threatened people, rather than instructed them?

I don't really believe that for a moment, I believe Juve are guilty, however! I'm sure AC didn't just simply "instruct" people how to enforce the rules of the game. Either that, or the cash was enough.

i'm not trying to say that we are completley innocent, rules are in place. BUT the rules we broke do not justify us getting stripped of our Scudetto's and demoted to Serie B, when others involved broke different sections of the rules in place which deserve greater punishment.

The things we have been found guilty for do not warrant demotion and the rules broken by other clubs do, simple as that!

[Hawkseys Double]

Right so, a Inter sympathiser was voted in. HOWEVER, Juve were still guilty of the crimes (or some) of what they were accused of? And their case differed in the sense that they threatened people, rather than instructed them?

I don't really believe that for a moment, I believe Juve are guilty, however! I'm sure AC didn't just simply "instruct" people how to enforce the rules of the game. Either that, or the cash was enough.

i'm not trying to say that we are completley innocent, rules are in place. BUT the rules we broke do not justify us getting stripped of our Scudetto's and demoted to Serie B, when others involved broke different sections of the rules in place which deserve greater punishment.

The things we have been found guilty for do not warrant demotion and the rules broken by other clubs do, simple as that!

No offence, but your actions assisted with winning the title. You twisted arms to make sure you got the results you needed. To me, you didn't win the titles fairly, and therefore being stripped of the titles is fair. However, I completely agree, those other teams deserved to be with you. I can't understand why you lot took the full brunt.

[Derek]

Total disgrace.

[makaveli]

Right so, a Inter sympathiser was voted in. HOWEVER, Juve were still guilty of the crimes (or some) of what they were accused of? And their case differed in the sense that they threatened people, rather than instructed them?

I don't really believe that for a moment, I believe Juve are guilty, however! I'm sure AC didn't just simply "instruct" people how to enforce the rules of the game. Either that, or the cash was enough.

i'm not trying to say that we are completley innocent, rules are in place. BUT the rules we broke do not justify us getting stripped of our Scudetto's and demoted to Serie B, when others involved broke different sections of the rules in place which deserve greater punishment.

The things we have been found guilty for do not warrant demotion and the rules broken by other clubs do, simple as that!

No offence, but your actions assisted with winning the title. You twisted arms to make sure you got the results you needed. To me, you didn't win the titles fairly, and therefore being stripped of the titles is fair. However, I completely agree, those other teams deserved to be with you. I can't understand why you lot took the full brunt.

and your entitled to you opinion... at least your half right

neither can anyone else Yids, which hopefully after the conclusion of this trial we will have more answers. Obviously there were people were pressuring investigaters in the orginal trial to almost ignore everyone else and concrentrate on bringing Juve down.

we just want justice, that is all.

[Hawkseys Double]

and your entitled to you opinion... at least your half right

neither can anyone else Yids, which hopefully after the conclusion of this trial we will have more answers. Obviously there were people were pressuring investigaters in the orginal trial to almost ignore everyone else and concrentrate on bringing Juve down.

we just want justice, that is all.

And you respect my opinion so in return I will respect yours.

I hope for the justice of footballs sake that the case is finally closed and the situation rectified. Will it happen? Lets hope there is no one pulling the strings this time.

p.s. I swear I saw Blatter in Massimo Moratti's home.

[Colossus's Attorney]

Just because it was long ago does not mean you should not be punished! If I murdered a man, and the Police found me 20 years later I certainly couldn't use that line! (Or can I? BRB I've got some Gooners to kill)

I agree. Arsenal should be sent back to the championship and earn their promotion to the top flight legitimately.

[Hawkseys Double]

Just because it was long ago does not mean you should not be punished! If I murdered a man, and the Police found me 20 years later I certainly couldn't use that line! (Or can I? BRB I've got some Gooners to kill)

I agree. Arsenal should be sent back to the championship and earn their promotion to the top flight legitimately.

I agree. And you know I would.

[Colossus's Attorney]

I knew you would.

[makaveli]

and your entitled to you opinion... at least your half right

neither can anyone else Yids, which hopefully after the conclusion of this trial we will have more answers. Obviously there were people were pressuring investigaters in the orginal trial to almost ignore everyone else and concrentrate on bringing Juve down.

we just want justice, that is all.

And you respect my opinion so in return I will respect yours.

I hope for the justice of footballs sake that the case is finally closed and the situation rectified. Will it happen? Lets hope there is no one pulling the strings this time.

p.s. I swear I saw Blatter in Massimo Moratti's home.

Can only hope it will happen at this stage.

hahaha!!! they should both be put behind bars.

[Hawkseys Double]

I knew you would.

[Hawkseys Double]

and your entitled to you opinion... at least your half right

neither can anyone else Yids, which hopefully after the conclusion of this trial we will have more answers. Obviously there were people were pressuring investigaters in the orginal trial to almost ignore everyone else and concrentrate on bringing Juve down.

we just want justice, that is all.

And you respect my opinion so in return I will respect yours.

I hope for the justice of footballs sake that the case is finally closed and the situation rectified. Will it happen? Lets hope there is no one pulling the strings this time.

p.s. I swear I saw Blatter in Massimo Moratti's home.

Can only hope it will happen at this stage.

hahaha!!! they should both be put behind bars.

Perhaps some mass hacking from a certain Yid can uncover the truth.

[getborn]

[quote="makaveli"][quote="Yids"][quote="makaveli"][quote="Yids"]Right so, a Inter sympathiser was voted in. HOWEVER, Juve were still guilty of the crimes (or some) of what they were accused of? And their case differed in the sense that they threatened people, rather than instructed them?

I don't really believe that for a moment, I believe Juve are guilty, however! I'm sure AC didn't just simply "instruct" people how to enforce the rules of the game. Either that, or the cash was enough.

i'm not trying to say that we are completley innocent, rules are in place. BUT the rules we broke do not justify us getting stripped of our Scudetto's and demoted to Serie B, when others involved broke different sections of the rules in place which deserve greater punishment.

The things we have been found guilty for do not warrant demotion and the rules broken by other clubs do, simple as that!
No offence, but your actions assisted with winning the title. You twisted arms to make sure you got the results you needed. To me, you didn't win the titles fairly, and therefore being stripped of the titles is fair. However, I completely agree, those other teams deserved to be with you. I can't understand why you lot took the full brunt.

and your entitled to you opinion... at least your half right

neither can anyone else Yids, which hopefully after the conclusion of this trial we will have more answers. Obviously there were people were pressuring investigaters in the orginal trial to almost ignore everyone else and concrentrate on bringing Juve down.
we just want justice, that is all.[quote]



obviously.

poor juve.

they cheated..... just not as much as the others.