Unsporting Man Utd...

[Judge Judy]

I like how the Liverpool fans are going about this when two weeks ago Torres went and intercepted a dead ball from the sunderland player and scored into an open net.

Dead ball a moving ball isn't considered dead (unless we have different definitions of dead)

1. Play on unless whistle is blown
2. What happened when the ref spoke with the assistant referee? Obviously he was flagging for the handball, so what made the ref overrule him?
3. It's Old Trafford; this is my shocked face

got him! gone! get f*cked you're out!!

no you are

[cole_trickle]

got him! gone! get f*cked you're out!!

[Judge Judy]

got him! gone! get f*cked you're out!!

no you are

[ozzie owl]

Amazing how the controversial incidents always seem to favour the bigger clubs.

I would love to have seen Fergie reaction if it had been the other way and Spurs scored.

[Litmanen]

Amazing how the controversial incidents always seem to favour the bigger clubs.

I would love to have seen Fergie reaction if it had been the other way and Spurs scored.

There's a hierachy for dodgy decisions:

Barcelona/Bayern Munich

Italian sides

Man U


Everyone else.




this is a wind up

[The Kop]

The linesman actually flagged the foul, so i don't know why the goal was allowed, i guess the ref overruled him? The ref walked over to the linesman and spoke to him, and then awarded the goal..

I like how the Liverpool fans are going about this when two weeks ago Torres went and intercepted a dead ball from the sunderland player and scored into an open net.

ohhh you're good! yes you!
Close to getting the point of this topic being opened.......very very close. Cmon lad, almost there!

[The Fountain]

The linesman actually flagged the foul, so i don't know why the goal was allowed

Did the referee blow the whistle to stop play? That should answer your question.

[The one and only]

I like how the Liverpool fans are going about this when two weeks ago Torres went and intercepted a dead ball from the sunderland player and scored into an open net.

Dead ball a moving ball isn't considered dead (unless we have different definitions of dead)

1. Play on unless whistle is blown
2. What happened when the ref spoke with the assistant referee? Obviously he was flagging for the handball, so what made the ref overrule him?
3. It's Old Trafford; this is my shocked face

or the ref was on nani's side and was flagging for a penalty and got overulled with that ????????

[The Fountain]

just like kicking the ball out when the other team gets an "injury"...

Players really shouldn't be doing this. It's up to the referee to assess the situation and determine whether or not to stop play.

[The Kop]

I like how the Liverpool fans are going about this when two weeks ago Torres went and intercepted a dead ball from the sunderland player and scored into an open net.

Dead ball a moving ball isn't considered dead (unless we have different definitions of dead)

1. Play on unless whistle is blown
2. What happened when the ref spoke with the assistant referee? Obviously he was flagging for the handball, so what made the ref overrule him?
3. It's Old Trafford; this is my shocked face

or the ref was on nani's side and was flagging for a penalty and got overulled with that ????????

While we're on that point, why were the Spurs players waved away but then Rio comes in and says his 2 cents?

[The one and only]

i dont know mate. That wasnt right rio probably should of been booked but to my point im just saying maybe the AR was flagging to say he thought it was a penalty which obviously the ref already overruled

[waawaa]

he can wave his flag all day for whatever reason. in the end it is the refs decision and he did not blow his whistle so pppppppplllllllllllaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy oooooooooonnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nice One Cyril]

i dont know mate. That wasnt right rio probably should of been booked but to my point im just saying maybe the AR was flagging to say he thought it was a penalty which obviously the ref already overruled

The lino didn't wave his flag until AFTER Nani put the ball in the net, so he probably also thought that it was a free kick (no reason to flag when he did otherwise) but Clattenburg has obviously said that he'd played on since the ball was in Gomes' hands.

Play the whistle I'm afraid.

[The one and only]

i dont know mate. That wasnt right rio probably should of been booked but to my point im just saying maybe the AR was flagging to say he thought it was a penalty which obviously the ref already overruled

The lino didn't wave his flag until AFTER Nani put the ball in the net, so he probably also thought that it was a free kick (no reason to flag when he did otherwise) but Clattenburg has obviously said that he'd played on since the ball was in Gomes' hands.

Play the whistle I'm afraid.

mat i agree totally its like one of the first rules you learn

[Le King]

boys what were we taught in jnrs growing up..... play the whistle, and there was no whistle so play on

its funny how nobody mentions that nani shoulda been given a penalty, was a clear tug on the shirt... even the commentators both said that nani shoulda gotten a penalty for the tug on his shirt

[SpursOnTheRise]

Ferdinand said on his Twitter that he just went up to the ref to clarify that no whistle had been blown, he rekons that the Lino flagged for the handball but for whatever reason Clattenburg overruled him and allowed the goal.

So yes, the incident should never have happened because the dumb ref shud have blown for the obvious handball, but at the same time, regardless, Gomes should have played the whistle instead of making assumptions. I'd say its about 70% the ref for A not giving the foul and B not making himself clear and letting the situation go without any proper communication to the players, poor refereeing for sure.

30% Gomes for assuming the free kick had been given and not playing the whistle.

Fair Assesment? Yes? No?

[Randoman]

No. Its Gomes fault. No whistle = no foul = dont throw the ball down at the feet of the striker Gomes u twat.

Plus when the ball's in the keepers hands its realistic to not give a freekick as it is no real advantage.

Plus it was a clear penalty anyway.

[predator]

Redknapp really is a thick twat

Redknapp added: "The refs will stick together on this but it's not right - they know a real mess was made of this situation.
"Everybody in the world has seen it for themselves.
"All the referee had to do was blow his whistle, book Nani for handball and it resolves the situation.

[SpursOnTheRise]

Yes Gomes shud have played the whistle but at the end of the day, the referee caused this situation by not letting th players know what the fuck was going on, he put the advantage rule to a whole new level by just walking away, not really signalling or doing anything!

[Innovative Ideas]

the referee caused this situation

No he didn't.

[SpursOnTheRise]

the referee caused this situation

No he didn't.

If he signalled and comunicated to the players what was going on Gomes wouldn't have thought he had a free kick. The Linesman said it was handball, so why did the ref overrule him when a blatant infringment had occured before the goal!

[Innovative Ideas]

It's the referee's job to signal when there IS a free kick, not when there ISN'T :?
Furthermore, the referee has every right to overrule a linesman.

[SpursOnTheRise]

It's the referees job to TAKE CHARGE of the game and implement the rules of the game in a manner which represents the sporting manner of the game. In order to do so it is necessary to communicate with the players at all times, especially in situations like this one where obviously no-one had any idea what had happened, players, coaches or fans. I have no problems with the advantage rule when there is an advantage to be given, it's not like Gomes had quickly released the ball and we were on a counter, we stayed in the penalty area so no advantage whatsoever was gained, therefore when Nani put the ball in the net, the goal should have been disallowed for the correct free kick to be taken!

[zackadacka]

1. It is the referee's responsibility to indicate when a free kick has been awarded, or when advantage has been played. He just simply walked off, indicating that it was playon, and no foul as far as he was concerned. Thus the goal should have been awarded, HOWEVER if the linesman had flagged for handball, then there is no reason for the referee to over-rule him as he did not indicate advantage in first place (by raising his arms in the air) when Gomes had the ball. Also, if he deemed he had a better view of the incident, he may also over-rule, however I don't think that was the case, as he never gave any acknowledgement to either Gomes or Nani, and just walked off.

2. Playing the whistle is one of the first things you learn, and is easy to do out on the ground, or even at a small stadium like Hindmarsh. Gomes would've had to contend with 73,000 feral Mancs, abhorrent at the fact they weren't given a penalty (for which there was more than half a case). Having said this, to get clarification from the ref should have been his first resort.

3. The ref is largely to blame for his handling (or lack thereof) of this situation. Having Ferdinand p*ss in his ear while trying to clarify with the assistant highlights this. Tottenham are now a top four club (that is a fact as much as I hate to admit it) and Clattenburg is simply not up to officiating these big games. Surely a more suitable ref could have been found by the FA, on a weekend with only two similarly difficult games to officiate (the Tyne-Wear, and Second City Derbies).

4. So in conclusion I'd say 30% Gomes, 50% referee, 10% FA and 10% crowd

[COLOSSUS]

It's the referee's job to signal when there IS a free kick, not when there ISN'T :?
Furthermore, the referee has every right to overrule a linesman.

Like seriously dude, what the fuck are you on about??? Its the referees job to make sure that when he calls advantage, the player with the ball is aware of that call otherwise if it all goes pear shaped (like it did on the weekend) then he blows his whistle and calls the ball back for the free kick to be taken from where the incident occured. IF however, that inept Clatter or whatever his sullivan name is didnt see the handball, then he should never have overruled his assistant who was in the best position of any official to have seen it, because that makes him a bigger clown than not calling the free kick back after awarding an advantage that no player heard. So all in all, you have it even more wrong than the inept Clatter, and thats fucking hard, because he messed up pretty fucking badly. Of course, you shouldnt expect much more from officials in this day and age. They are given more rights on the football pitch than a Police Officer is given in their role of protecting the community and these idiots they call officials take full advantage of their powers and are really doing nothing to enhance the reputation of themselves or the great game that is Football!!!

[Squizzy]

It's the referees job to TAKE CHARGE of the game and implement the rules of the game in a manner which represents the sporting manner of the game. In order to do so it is necessary to communicate with the players at all times, especially in situations like this one where obviously no-one had any idea what had happened, players, coaches or fans. I have no problems with the advantage rule when there is an advantage to be given, it's not like Gomes had quickly released the ball and we were on a counter, we stayed in the penalty area so no advantage whatsoever was gained, therefore when Nani put the ball in the net, the goal should have been disallowed for the correct free kick to be taken!

So you're talking about the penalty that should have been given to Nani? I agree.

[COLOSSUS]

1. It is the referee's responsibility to indicate when a free kick has been awarded, or when advantage has been played. He just simply walked off, indicating that it was playon, and no foul as far as he was concerned. Thus the goal should have been awarded, HOWEVER if the linesman had flagged for handball, then there is no reason for the referee to over-rule him as he did not indicate advantage in first place (by raising his arms in the air) when Gomes had the ball. Also, if he deemed he had a better view of the incident, he may also over-rule, however I don't think that was the case, as he never gave any acknowledgement to either Gomes or Nani, and just walked off.

2. Playing the whistle is one of the first things you learn, and is easy to do out on the ground, or even at a small stadium like Hindmarsh. Gomes would've had to contend with 73,000 feral Mancs, abhorrent at the fact they weren't given a penalty (for which there was more than half a case). Having said this, to get clarification from the ref should have been his first resort.

3. The ref is largely to blame for his handling (or lack thereof) of this situation. Having Ferdinand p*ss in his ear while trying to clarify with the assistant highlights this. Tottenham are now a top four club (that is a fact as much as I hate to admit it) and Clattenburg is simply not up to officiating these big games. Surely a more suitable ref could have been found by the FA, on a weekend with only two similarly difficult games to officiate (the Tyne-Wear, and Second City Derbies).

4. So in conclusion I'd say 30% Gomes, 50% referee, 10% FA and 10% crowd

Agree with everything except your percentages. 90% Referee, 10% Gomes, because the referee should be aware that there is 75,000 people in the stadium who are all on their feet in full voice as their striker heads towards goal and dives in the box making it look like a penalty. Me thinks he he didnt see the handball otherwise he would of stopped the game to book Nani for a deliberate handball. Why he didnt book him for diving in the first intance is beyond me because if he wasnt going to give a penalty then a yellow for diving should of been awarded when you consider he blatantly dived on 3 previous occasions in the same match which the ref waved play on and didnt even chat to him about. Very bad refereeing although you'll get some knobhead refs in the local scene who would not only agree with the way it was handled, but theyll probably tell ya that they would of sent off half a dozen Spurs players for arguing with the ref s, the lot of em

[SpursOnTheRise]

Colossus has it spot on, how it went from supposedly our advantage to the back of the net is stupid, if it was indeed our advantage then he should have as i said earlier, dissalowed the goal and made it a free kick. The worst advantage of all time, nothing gained and a goal conceded, i'm sure thats exactly what FIFA had in mind when they came up with that rule...

[The Fountain]

It's the referees job to TAKE CHARGE of the game and implement the rules of the game in a manner which represents the sporting manner of the game. In order to do so it is necessary to communicate with the players at all times, especially in situations like this one where obviously no-one had any idea what had happened, players, coaches or fans. I have no problems with the advantage rule when there is an advantage to be given, it's not like Gomes had quickly released the ball and we were on a counter, we stayed in the penalty area so no advantage whatsoever was gained, therefore when Nani put the ball in the net, the goal should have been disallowed for the correct free kick to be taken!

The referee did not indicate a free kick was awarded. In fact the linesman didn't signal anything until long after the ball was in the net and Spuds players came running to him. It was wrong for Gomes to assume a free kick had been given when no officials gave any indication one had been given and can only blame himself.

As much as I despise manure they didn't do anything wrong. If anything was to be awarded it should have been a penalty.

[The Fountain]

It's the referee's job to signal when there IS a free kick, not when there ISN'T :?
Furthermore, the referee has every right to overrule a linesman.

Like seriously dude, what the shiraz are you on about??? Its the referees job to make sure that when he calls advantage, the player with the ball is aware of that call otherwise if it all goes pear shaped (like it did on the weekend) then he blows his whistle and calls the ball back for the free kick to be taken from where the incident occured.

Did Gomes hear a whistle? I think not.