how many spots should Asia lose at the World Cup?

[seanason]

What everyone else is saying is that the top 4 ranked Asian sides can mix it (and defeat i'll add) the second tier of European nations (those ranked underneath 10th in the World).

Your main argument is that North Korea qualified and that they werent as good as the 20th ranked european side. Thats the one half of your argument. Its no different to Denmark or Slovakia sneaking in in the UEFA qualifying. They had a good campaign, caused a few upsets, why shouldnt they have their place? Are you saying we should just ban the Cinderella teams from entering? Thats shitloads stupider than anything ANYONE has posted on this forum. Thats the beauty of sport.

The Second half of your argument is that in your opinion the Next 10-15 UEFA teams to qualify would out-perform the second half of the Asian representatives - and given the percentages i provided above, Its clear that they would be on par.

[Hawkesy]

we got to the final 16, I think we'll be safe.

wouldn't have happened in any other group
nearly didn't as it was

FIFA ranked us as 13th in this tournament, so according to that we would have made it through in 3 other groups as well.

[Russia2O18]

What everyone else is saying is that the top 4 ranked Asian sides can mix it (and defeat i'll add) the second tier of European nations (those ranked underneath 10th in the World).

Your main argument is that North Korea qualified and that they werent as good as the 20th ranked european side. Thats the one half of your argument. Its no different to Denmark or Slovakia sneaking in in the UEFA qualifying. They had a good campaign, caused a few upsets, why shouldnt they have their place? Are you saying we should just ban the Cinderella teams from entering? Thats shitloads stupider than anything ANYONE has posted on this forum. Thats the beauty of sport.

The Second half of your argument is that in your opinion the Next 10-15 UEFA teams to qualify would out-perform the second half of the Asian representatives - and given the percentages i provided above, Its clear that they would be on par.

I never said ban anyone..where is this coming from? this is strawman

i said qualification should be fairer

Asia only warrants 2 to 2.5 spots...if NZ or NK or Socceroos are good enough they would still qualify

[seanason]

the 2 Asian teams that progressed did so at the expense of imploding African teams like Cameroon and Nigeria
Greece and Denmark were clearly the worst Euro sides at this World Cup

Japan and South Korea are the best Asia has to offer....i am not proposing zero spots for Asia...2 to 2.5 seems about right

look at CONMEBOL...they all progressed...Colombia and Ecuador could've done as well if they were in South Africa

you need to look further and look at the football that was played
NZ didnt play any
Australia werent much better but were more physical and combative as they always are..however nowhere near as good as 4 years ago where they qualified via a more testing process

North Korea were pathetic and the worst team at the tournament...but only slightly worse than NZ in football terms

Just because a minnow team qualifies it doesn't mean the allocation of spots to confederations is wrong. Should UEFA lose spots because Greece and Denmark didnt qualify?

You are basing your entire argument on the idea that the North Koreans are the 4th best footballers in Asia. They arent. Just because Slovakia or Denmark progressed it doesnt mean they are the tenth best UEFA team. Teams like Russia and Croatia are sitting out because they fell to lower ranked teams. Its the same here as Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq. They failed to beat North Korea, so they sit out. Simple as that.

And you are factually incorrect here - Australia is the best Asia has to offer. Just because they didn't make it past the group stage doesn't mean that they aren't the best that Asia has to offer.

[seanason]

I never said ban anyone..where is this coming from? this is strawman

i said qualification should be fairer

Asia only warrants 2 to 2.5 spots...if NZ or NK or Socceroos are good enough they would still qualify

You are having a sook that North Korea qualified and failed to perform on the big stage. Thats where it is coming from. They beat a team that would have performed better at the cup. Same as Greece, Denmark and France.

[Russia2O18]

the 2 Asian teams that progressed did so at the expense of imploding African teams like Cameroon and Nigeria
Greece and Denmark were clearly the worst Euro sides at this World Cup

Japan and South Korea are the best Asia has to offer....i am not proposing zero spots for Asia...2 to 2.5 seems about right

look at CONMEBOL...they all progressed...Colombia and Ecuador could've done as well if they were in South Africa

you need to look further and look at the football that was played
NZ didnt play any
Australia werent much better but were more physical and combative as they always are..however nowhere near as good as 4 years ago where they qualified via a more testing process

North Korea were pathetic and the worst team at the tournament...but only slightly worse than NZ in football terms

Just because a minnow team qualifies it doesn't mean the allocation of spots to confederations is wrong. Should UEFA lose spots because Greece and Denmark didnt qualify?

You are basing your entire argument on the idea that the North Koreans are the 4th best footballers in Asia. They arent. Just because Slovakia or Denmark progressed it doesnt mean they are the tenth best UEFA team. Teams like Russia and Croatia are sitting out because they fell to lower ranked teams. Its the same here as Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq. They failed to beat North Korea, so they sit out. Simple as that.

And you are factually incorrect here - Australia is the best Asia has to offer. Just because they didn't make it past the group stage doesn't mean that they aren't the best that Asia has to offer.

look at 2006 too
all the Asian teams were pathetic

[seanason]

look at 2006 too
all the Asian teams were pathetic

look at 2002. All the Euro teams were pathetic.

[Russia2O18]

look at 2006 too
all the Asian teams were pathetic

look at 2002. All the Euro teams were pathetic.

look at the refereeing in 2002...Korea were given a charmed run

[Echo & The Bunnymen]

Look at 1966... North Korea were awesome.

[Russia2O18]

Look at 1966... North Korea were awesome.

they were, but it was a valid process back then

apart from the refereeing in the final that is

[redsfan]

Asia only warrants 2 to 2.5 spots...if NZ or NK or Socceroos are good enough they would still qualify

you could say that about the Euro teams that missed out and the spots allocated to them now.

[Hawkesy]

Australia is the best Asia has to offer. Just because they didn't make it past the group stage doesn't mean that they aren't the best that Asia has to offer.

I agree, and England are the best team in the world as well.

[seanason]

look at 2006 too
all the Asian teams were pathetic

look at 2002. All the Euro teams were pathetic.

look at the refereeing in 2002...Korea were given a charmed run

oh so now its not the process thats crooked, its the refereeing too

You need to get a grip. Asia had 4.5 slots. UEFA had 13. Even if you take out the argument that it is a World Cup and not a European Wankfest, The 3rd,4th and 5th teams from Asia would usually wipe the floor with the 14th, 15th and 16th UEFA teams.

[seanason]

I agree, and England are the best team in the world as well.

Australia ranked #1 in Asia.
England ranked #6th Best in Europe and 8th in the World.

Your sarcasm is invalid and idiotic.

[Russia2O18]

look at 2002. All the Euro teams were pathetic.

look at the refereeing in 2002...Korea were given a charmed run

oh so now its not the process thats crooked, its the refereeing too

You need to get a grip. Asia had 4.5 slots. UEFA had 13. Even if you take out the argument that it is a World Cup and not a European Wankfest, The 3rd,4th and 5th teams from Asia would usually wipe the floor with the 14th, 15th and 16th UEFA teams.

I seriously doubt that

[seanason]

You need to get a grip. Asia had 4.5 slots. UEFA had 13. Even if you take out the argument that it is a World Cup and not a European Wankfest, The 3rd,4th and 5th teams from Asia would usually wipe the floor with the 14th, 15th and 16th UEFA teams.

I seriously doubt that

I dont. The Arab teams would generally fill that void and they are not to be underestimated.

[Russia2O18]

You need to get a grip. Asia had 4.5 slots. UEFA had 13. Even if you take out the argument that it is a World Cup and not a European Wankfest, The 3rd,4th and 5th teams from Asia would usually wipe the floor with the 14th, 15th and 16th UEFA teams.

I seriously doubt that

I dont. The Arab teams would generally fill that void and they are not to be underestimated.

that assumption is based on what?

[seanason]

that assumption is based on what?

clear observations. Even you and your cooked theories should be able to tell that.

[Steve#4]

His assumptions are about as good as yours, to be fair..

The long and the short of it is, anyone arguing against Asia and Africa getting a fair share of places in the "World" Cup is just scared
of the dominence shifting away from the norm.

Hell, some euro nations may even have to change the way they do things to win a trophy

[guti]

OnionBag your point is better made by saying:

New Zealand qualified for the World Cup by defeating:

Fiji (once)
New Caledonia (twice)
Valuatu (twice)
Bahrain (once)

They also lost once to Fiji and drew with Bahrain.


Sweden did not qualify after being drawn in a group with Portugal and Denmark.
Czech Republic didn't qualify after being drawn in a group with Slovakia and Slovenia.
Russia didn't qualify after being drawn in a group with Germany and losing a playoff to Slovenia.
etc etc

I'm torn between both sides. I want the World Cup to be the best of the best playing each other. But I also think representation (and participation) from every Confederation is important. Maybe there should be an inter-Confederation qualifying process.

[Hawkesy]

I agree, and England are the best team in the world as well.

Australia ranked #1 in Asia.
England ranked #6th Best in Europe and 8th in the World.

Your sarcasm is invalid and idiotic.

FIFA ranked australia at #3 in asia at this latest world cup, so your comment is idiotic and invalid

Japan #9
S Korea # 15
Australia # 21

[Loppermann]

look at 2006 too
all the Asian teams were pathetic

look at 2002. All the Euro teams were pathetic.

look at the refereeing in 2002...Korea were given a charmed run

look at the refereeing in the X world cup. The X team were given a charmed run
what's your point?

[Loppermann]

we got to the final 16, I think we'll be safe.

wouldn't have happened in any other group
nearly didn't as it was

FIFA ranked us as 13th in this tournament, so according to that we would have made it through in 3 other groups as well.

the current FIFA rankings (not world cup ones) also have Italy above England, Cameroon a good 26 places above Japan, Algeria above Korea Republic, Greece, France and Croatia above Uruguay... I could go on

FIFA's rankings are a crock, but you knew that already

[Loppermann]

Copying my language now? Got you in a real state haven't I? Why do you persist in basing your arguement upon emotional predudices rather than actual results? Elitest, racist, facist.

man, you got trollllled
so much rage in that post

Nothing untrue in it though.

sure lost your cool though
what's more important, being right about something that no one cares about or losing your shit in a public forum where everyone can see and laugh at you?

[Mr Magoo]

sure lost your cool though
what's more important, being right about something that no one cares about or losing your shit in a public forum where everyone can see and laugh at you?

Sorry to have offended you.
Plenty of people lose it on this forum - usually over nothing more than racial taunting.
The guy's a knob and it needed to be pointed out.
Topic reached six pages in quick time. That doesn't suggest no one cares about it.
No one can see me.
People laughing at me? Glad to brighten their day.

[Russia2O18]

sure lost your cool though
what's more important, being right about something that no one cares about or losing your shit in a public forum where everyone can see and laugh at you?

Sorry to have offended you.
Plenty of people lose it on this forum - usually over nothing more than racial taunting.
The guy's a knob and it needed to be pointed out.
Topic reached six pages in quick time. That doesn't suggest no one cares about it.
No one can see me.
People laughing at me? Glad to brighten their day.

looks like the truth hurts Magoo

[Knight7]

sure lost your cool though
what's more important, being right about something that no one cares about or losing your shit in a public forum where everyone can see and laugh at you?

Sorry to have offended you.
Plenty of people lose it on this forum - usually over nothing more than racial taunting.
The guy's a knob and it needed to be pointed out.
Topic reached six pages in quick time. That doesn't suggest no one cares about it.
No one can see me.
People laughing at me? Glad to brighten their day.

looks like the truth hurts Magoo

Wonder if Sepp Blatter reads Football news if so he might listen to Onion Blag and before you know it Europe will get more spots. It will be really hard for Australia but that's ok, The quality of the teams will be better (sic) and Onion Blag can have fun dissecting all the games whilst enjoying a Prawn sandwich and glass of Chardonnay

[Mr Magoo]

looks like the truth hurts Magoo

That's "Mr", to you.

[Loppermann]

sure lost your cool though
what's more important, being right about something that no one cares about or losing your shit in a public forum where everyone can see and laugh at you?

Sorry to have offended you.
Plenty of people lose it on this forum - usually over nothing more than racial taunting.
The guy's a knob and it needed to be pointed out.
Topic reached six pages in quick time. That doesn't suggest no one cares about it.
No one can see me.
People laughing at me? Glad to brighten their day.

not offended, just enjoy pointing out your failure

[Mato]

why are people bothering to reply to onionbag? you've all posted statistics, arguments and all he does it go "LOL NORTH KOREA" at you.