Average goals scored (after 60 games) reaches 2.2

[Con]

After 60 games the average in S.Afrika has at last reached the all-time low of Italia '90.

We'll never again reach the Mexico '70 average of 3.0, but a 2.7 (as in both USA '94 and France '98) would be good.

Goal-scoring isn't everything, but I wonder if IFAB, FIFA and the football world at large will give consideration to changes to halt this slide in the scoring rate on it's biggest stage?

[winzor]

After 60 games the average in S.Afrika has at last reached the all-time low of Italia '90.

We'll never again reach the Mexico '70 average of 3.0, but a 2.7 (as in both USA '94 and France '98) would be good.

Goal-scoring isn't everything, but I wonder if IFAB, FIFA and the football world at large will give consideration to changes to halt this slide in the scoring rate on it's biggest stage?

I've discussed this on another forum, and apparently it is only AFL rednecks who want to see high scoring games. Real soccer fans appreciate low scoring games, especially 0-0 draws...!

[povman_2009]

A boring game is a boring game no matter what the scoreline , trust me , if you were part of the Ghana v Uruguay crowd you got your moneys worth in spades... Numbers are fun to play with , but so is my penis ....

[Ocean Rain]

I've discussed this on another forum, and apparently it is only AFL rednecks who want to see high scoring games. Real soccer fans appreciate low scoring games, especially 0-0 draws...!

Not so real fans call it soccer.

[winzor]

I've discussed this on another forum, and apparently it is only AFL rednecks who want to see high scoring games. Real soccer fans appreciate low scoring games, especially 0-0 draws...!

Not so real fans call it soccer.

I always use the word "soccer" when aussie rules football is also mentioned, otherwise it gets confusing. And I'm a real fan....

[swannsong]

Thanks to Germany

[ruud]

A boring game is a boring game no matter what the scoreline , trust me , if you were part of the Ghana v Uruguay crowd you got your moneys worth in spades... Numbers are fun to play with , but so is my grenache ....

[totsreds08]

A boring game is a boring game no matter what the scoreline , trust me , if you were part of the Ghana v Uruguay crowd you got your moneys worth in spades... Numbers are fun to play with , but so is my grenache ....

[Red-4-Life]

Group H in 6 games a measly 8 goals were scored. Round of 16 had a fair few goals scored and we can thank Germany for the average being as high as it is

[Con]

Hell, thinking about it, lucky there were four games when a team scored 4 goals, and one game where 7 goals were scored, otherwise that 2.2 average figure would have been shot.

And sorry, I should have provided the historical figures for previous World Cups:

1930 Uruguay 3.9 goals per match
1934 Italy 4.1
1938 France 4.7
1950 Brazil 4.0
1954 Switzerland 5.4
1958 Sweden 3.8
1962 Chile 2.8
1966 Britain 2.8
1970 Mexico 3.0
1974 W.Germany 2.6
1978 Argentina 2.8
1982 Spain 2.8
1986 Mexico 2.5
1990 Italy 2.2 * (lowest)
1994 USA 2.7 (after IFAB tweaked some laws like restricting back-passes, etc)
1998 France 2.7
2002 S.Korea/Japan 2.5
2006 Germany 2.3
2010 S.Afrika 2.2 (equal lowest after 60 matches)

[Judge Judy]

Hell, thinking about it, lucky there were four games when a team scored 4 goals, and one game where 7 goals were scored, otherwise that 2.2 average figure would have been shot.

And sorry, I should have provided the historical figures for previous World Cups:

1930 Uruguay 3.9 goals per match
1934 Italy 4.1
1938 France 4.7
1950 Brazil 4.0
1954 Switzerland 5.4
1958 Sweden 3.8
1962 Chile 2.8
1966 Britain 2.8
1970 Mexico 3.0
1974 W.Germany 2.6
1978 Argentina 2.8
1982 Spain 2.8
1986 Mexico 2.5

1994 USA 2.7 (after IFAB tweaked some laws like restricting back-passes, etc)
1998 France 2.7
2002 S.Korea/Japan 2.5
2006 Germany 2.3
2010 S.Afrika 2.2 (equal lowest after 60 matches)

1990 Italy 2.2 * (lowest) - Who'da thunk it?

2010 S.Afrika 2.2 (equal lowest after 60 matches) - Jabulani

[Nice One Cyril]

Hell, thinking about it, lucky there were four games when a team scored 4 goals, and one game where 7 goals were scored, otherwise that 2.2 average figure would have been shot.

That's why it's called an average you plank

[Con]

Thanks for your nice words, Cyril. But you know what I was getting at. Without Germany scoring 4 goals in 3 games, Argentina 4 in 1 game, and Portugal 7 in 1 game, that average would have been way down on 2.2....

Anyhow on a better note, with the pressure off in the 3rd place play-off Klose, Mueller, Forlan and Suarez could really go for that golden boot and neutrals may see more goals. And in the Final Villa and Sneijder will chase that boot too.

If 9 goals are scored in these two games the average will at least reach that 2.3 second-to-lowest figure.

There seems no doubt FIFA will review the dire scoring rate on football's biggest stage and make recommendations to the Laws Board I.F.A.B. for a further tweaking of the Laws to moderately increase that rate similar to the spike in 1994...

[Ocean Rain]

Thanks for your nice words, Cyril. But you know what I was getting at.

Irrespective Cyril is right.

[Nice One Cyril]

Thanks for your nice words, Cyril. But you know what I was getting at. Without Germany scoring 4 goals in 3 games, Argentina 4 in 1 game, and Portugal 7 in 1 game, that average would have been way down on 2.2.

Again, I repeat, that's how an average works. You could equally say, without X, Y and Z only scoring 0 or 1 a game, the average (there's that word again) would be up around the 3 mark and the numpties could stop complaining.

[winzor]

Thanks for your nice words, Cyril. But you know what I was getting at. Without Germany scoring 4 goals in 3 games, Argentina 4 in 1 game, and Portugal 7 in 1 game, that average would have been way down on 2.2....

Anyhow on a better note, with the pressure off in the 3rd place play-off Klose, Mueller, Forlan and Suarez could really go for that golden boot and neutrals may see more goals. And in the Final Villa and Sneijder will chase that boot too.

If 9 goals are scored in these two games the average will at least reach that 2.3 second-to-lowest figure.

There seems no doubt FIFA will review the dire scoring rate on football's biggest stage and make recommendations to the Laws Board I.F.A.B. for a further tweaking of the Laws to moderately increase that rate similar to the spike in 1994...

Oh, no..... Blatter will probably suggest increasing the size of the goals again...

[Juventino]

Let's hope for Con's sake that Spain don't win the cup - can't have winners scoring less than 10 goals in the cup can we (Spain so far have scored 7 goals)?

[juve4ever]

Hell, thinking about it, lucky there were four games when a team scored 4 goals, and one game where 7 goals were scored, otherwise that 2.2 average figure would have been shot.

And sorry, I should have provided the historical figures for previous World Cups:

1930 Uruguay 3.9 goals per match
1934 Italy 4.1
1938 France 4.7
1950 Brazil 4.0
1954 Switzerland 5.4
1958 Sweden 3.8
1962 Chile 2.8
1966 Britain 2.8
1970 Mexico 3.0
1974 W.Germany 2.6
1978 Argentina 2.8
1982 Spain 2.8
1986 Mexico 2.5

1994 USA 2.7 (after IFAB tweaked some laws like restricting back-passes, etc)
1998 France 2.7
2002 S.Korea/Japan 2.5
2006 Germany 2.3
2010 S.Afrika 2.2 (equal lowest after 60 matches)

1990 Italy 2.2 * (lowest) - Who'da thunk it?

2010 S.Afrika 2.2 (equal lowest after 60 matches) - Jabulani

When in Rome ....

[Con]

winzor, I partly agree with your cynicism about Blatter. After all, in Euro & British establishment circles when he was General Secretary he was known as "Herr 10-ideas-a-day man, and 11 of them are bad".

But from memory, his idea for enlarging the goals was moderate - 2 feet (600mm) wider by 1 foot (300mm) higher. Of course it never got up because he was a poor salesman and couldn't properly point out that goalies are taller on average (than they were when 1877 laws were cobbled together) due to better health and nutrition.

A smaller increase (2 ball diameters wider by 1 diameter higher) would have been easier to sell without drastically changing the game. Imagine, all those times a post or crossbar is struck would be goals with this change. Again from memory, the woodwork was struck over 100 times at France '98, and with this change those shots would have been goals..

[Hawkesy]

Thanks for your nice words, Cyril. But you know what I was getting at. Without Germany scoring 4 goals in 3 games, Argentina 4 in 1 game, and Portugal 7 in 1 game, that average would have been way down on 2.2....

and without the 0-0 draws it would have been higher. :?

[Hawkesy]

winzor, I partly agree with your cynicism about Blatter. After all, in Euro & British establishment circles when he was General Secretary he was known as "Herr 10-ideas-a-day man, and 11 of them are bad".

But from memory, his idea for enlarging the goals was moderate - 2 feet (600mm) wider by 1 foot (300mm) higher. Of course it never got up because he was a poor salesman and couldn't properly point out that goalies are taller on average (than they were when 1877 laws were cobbled together) due to better health and nutrition.

A smaller increase (2 ball diameters wider by 1 diameter higher) would have been easier to sell without drastically changing the game. Imagine, all those times a post or crossbar is struck would be goals with this change. Again from memory, the woodwork was struck over 100 times at France '98, and with this change those shots would have been goals..

it probably didn't get over the line because we all know how corrupt blatter, warner and bin hamman are. Adidas probably didn't want it and what adidas wants, adidas gets.

[ruud]

winzor, I partly agree with your cynicism about Blatter. After all, in Euro & British establishment circles when he was General Secretary he was known as "Herr 10-ideas-a-day man, and 11 of them are bad".

But from memory, his idea for enlarging the goals was moderate - 2 feet (600mm) wider by 1 foot (300mm) higher. Of course it never got up because he was a poor salesman and couldn't properly point out that goalies are taller on average (than they were when 1877 laws were cobbled together) due to better health and nutrition.

A smaller increase (2 ball diameters wider by 1 diameter higher) would have been easier to sell without drastically changing the game. Imagine, all those times a post or crossbar is struck would be goals with this change. Again from memory, the woodwork was struck over 100 times at France '98, and with this change those shots would have been goals..

and if the goal was increased to cover the entire backline, imagine how many wayward shots wouldve been a goal!

[COLOSSUS]

winzor, I partly agree with your cynicism about Blatter. After all, in Euro & British establishment circles when he was General Secretary he was known as "Herr 10-ideas-a-day man, and 11 of them are bad".

But from memory, his idea for enlarging the goals was moderate - 2 feet (600mm) wider by 1 foot (300mm) higher. Of course it never got up because he was a poor salesman and couldn't properly point out that goalies are taller on average (than they were when 1877 laws were cobbled together) due to better health and nutrition.

A smaller increase (2 ball diameters wider by 1 diameter higher) would have been easier to sell without drastically changing the game. Imagine, all those times a post or crossbar is struck would be goals with this change. Again from memory, the woodwork was struck over 100 times at France '98, and with this change those shots would have been goals..

Look at the part i highlighted, you are not serious are you??? Could you then please explain to the world why Alexanders men were 7 foot tall 400 years before Christ??? Come on Con, for goodness sake,ase tis malakies please

better health and nutrition my ass. So are you telling me that you are of poor health and malnutritioned???

[Con]

Eh, steady on, Col. I should have said in my post that was Blatter blathering on after Italia '90 about increasing the goal-size TOO MUCH (600mm wider x 300mm higher), and HE was the one quoting increase in average human height, etc (see Wikepedia "...Studies in modern times have observed a gradual increase in height...etc,etc". I recall him going on about, quote "standard of living..., quality of life after the industrial revolution.., nutrition.., increase in average height of Yanks since their Civil War, blah, blah..

FIFA was under pressure after the dire 1990 Cup to deliver a better product for the Yanks at USA '94. They managed to get the I.F.A.B. to restrict goalies from picking up back-passes and throw-ins, and a few other subtle changes, but they were never going to get the goal-size increase over the line. He MIGHT have got a smaller increase, like 2 ball diameters wider by 1 ball diameter higher, but that too was a long shot.

Col, have you liked any of the changes and improvements to the Laws of the Game over recent years?

Anyhow Col, after the 3-2 scoreline in the 3rd place game you'll be rivetted to know that if 4 goals are scored in the Final, the average-score figure will crack past the current 2.2 number...

[perseus]

Could you then please explain to the world why Alexanders men were 7 foot tall 400 years before Christ???

[ruud]

Could you then please explain to the world why Alexanders men were 7 foot tall 400 years before Christ???

[COLOSSUS]

Could you then please explain to the world why Alexanders men were 7 foot tall 400 years before Christ???

May be retarded to you but if you cannot answer the question, then STFU because cons comments on people being taller now than they were back in the day has nothing to do with malnutrition or whatever crock he was on about

[COLOSSUS]

Eh, steady on, Col. I should have said in my post that was Blatter blathering on after Italia '90 about increasing the goal-size TOO MUCH (600mm wider x 300mm higher), and HE was the one quoting increase in average human height, etc (see Wikepedia "...Studies in modern times have observed a gradual increase in height...etc,etc". I recall him going on about, quote "standard of living..., quality of life after the industrial revolution.., nutrition.., increase in average height of Yanks since their Civil War, blah, blah..

FIFA was under pressure after the dire 1990 Cup to deliver a better product for the Yanks at USA '94. They managed to get the I.F.A.B. to restrict goalies from picking up back-passes and throw-ins, and a few other subtle changes, but they were never going to get the goal-size increase over the line. He MIGHT have got a smaller increase, like 2 ball diameters wider by 1 ball diameter higher, but that too was a long shot.

Col, have you liked any of the changes and improvements to the Laws of the Game over recent years?

Anyhow Col, after the 3-2 scoreline in the 3rd place game you'll be rivetted to know that if 4 goals are scored in the Final, the average-score figure will crack past the current 2.2 number...

So let me get this right, the Americans observed a gradual increase in height because of quality of life and nutrition etc etc although it can be claimed that they are the most obese people in the world and eat burgers that would make lambs on spits look f.*king small??? Get the fuck out of here and dont piss in my ear and tell me its raining con. Thats the biggest load of skata ive heard from you yet!!!

On the rule changes, i think most have been positive changes although id like to see a Match review panel instated for the National league of every country in the world (obviously the countries that dont televise games would be pardoned) so the divers are weeded out because its getting ridiculous if you ask me and obviously with a video review panel, harsher or leaner penalties could be given to red card incidences and also penalties handed down to incidences that the officials possibly missed during a game. Thats would change the game dramatically for the better and the good of the game and there is no doubt it could only benefit the game worldwide. Id also like to see goal line technology introduced (which i think we are now going to get) and id like to see some sort of changes to the way referees are selected whereby to become a referee in a certain league, you would have to have some sort of prior game experience as a player to better understand the game and why players sometimes do what they do in terms of not being able to stop when going for a challenge etc etc because this World Cup and what we see generaly around the world with officials at this point in time is really showing the difference between where the players are at compared to where their inept officials are at and the gap is as wide as its ever been and getting wider and that cannot be good for the game in my opinion

[perseus]

Could you then please explain to the world why Alexanders men were 7 foot tall 400 years before Christ???

May be retarded to you but if you cannot answer the question, then STFU because cons comments on people being taller now than they were back in the day has nothing to do with malnutrition or whatever crock he was on about

"Back in the day" 2400 years ago? Don't expect anyone to take your opinions seriously if you can't tell the difference between fact and myth

[Mr Magoo]

Awesome film.