dropping players to win games

[cavlotic]

Im starting to get the idea that we are know longer worried about developing kids into players but more worried about winning games and not teaching them how the game of football is really played.

watching a game this past sunday i saw a team drop three players form there 19s so they can win a game and finding out that they had dropped three players from there 16 side to accomidate the three from the 19s. now even though they won the game it basically shows me that they had no faith in there players and were worried more about there result rather then the way there team peformed in the game. especially at the age of 16 where there development is the most important aspect why to clubs continue to do so?

[rossonero]

i watched that game too and i saw 4 players in the first 11 that are still eligible to play under 15s and one player still eligible to play under 14s, is that not classified as kids development???

the only thing i would be worried about is your poor english spelling.....

[Jock]

[quote="rossonero"]i watched that game too and i saw 4 players in the first 11 that are still eligible to play under 15s and one player still eligible to play under 14s, is that not classified as kids development???

Get used to it. Its been happening since Adam was a boy. As long as the lads are in age and have cards to prove it, there is no issue. I understand your point about developing juniors and agree that this must be the ultimate objective but some clubs place great value in winning at all costs. Many of these clubs are also very succesful and attract the best players, therefore can also charge higher fees. At the end of the day this is what is important to them to ensure they remain viable.

[sabaisabai]

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[cavlotic]

what game it is ur talking about buddy? I think where talking about two different games....in the end development of players is the most important thing whether a team doesnt win every game as long as the players in the team are grwoing as players and understanding how football is played. my argument is why do clubs need to drop players? i say believe in ur team and the coachs ability to coach and let what happens happen.........

[rossonero]

we might be talking about the same game or most probably another....
this dropping players business has been going on forever, many clubs drop players down for many reasons
to fill up teams that are short of players, disciplinary reasons or to win certain games......
every club has its reasons, end of the day if the club remains competitive it is able to attract good players and more sponsors.....
i agree with u about players development but in many cases clubs produce many good players that then get attracted from better or bigger clubs, there is no loyalty anymore so clubs have to do what they can to survive.

[redeye]

Its been going on forever. I dont really have a problem with it especially since it is within the rules.
I had a similar scenario 2 weeks ago when my lad played a western suburbs team U/16's who we expected
to beat however their own parents were complaining that the club dropped 3 U/19's so that they could
win the game which they did do 3-2. Funnily though i noticed that same team got beaten 7-1 last weekend by
a team which my lad's team have beaten. One must really think what are we doing here but hey like i say its within the rules.
One way to stop it is for the FFSA to enforce that players regardless of age be registered with a certain age group.
E.G If a 14 year old is deemed good enough for the Under 15's he is registered with the Under 15 team and can only play
up an age group rather than down. I think this is a good way to promote the lad so that he can gain the experience from playing
against older boys especially if not a the cost of a player missing out, e.g injury, sickness etc.
There is no use in a talented 14 year old playing consistently in the u/15's going to play for the 14's to get a result.
If a certain age group happens to finish in the last 2 and get relegated then so be it. I dont really think this scenario will have a great
impact on sponsors etc, thats the Club's responsibility not the junior players.

[gl1968]

Redeye you are on drugs mate because the game you are talking about i was there and i know for a fact they had ONE under 17 player and that was becasue we had an injury he played around 30 mins did not do anything of signinifcance he did not score or setup any goals. Mate to suggest that the parents were complaining you have NO F.I. in fact they were having a complaint re your parents in regards to the abuse you gave to the ref, linesman and accusations of cheating such as we had paid the ref etc. all you guys did all night was whinge and complain and gave no respect to the other team as they had outplayed your boys it is no wonder one of your players got sent off for SWEARING at The Referee.

So before you start throwing accusations around mate CHECK your FACTS. Next time worry about the behaviour of your players not if the other team had stacked their team.

SO BASICALLY GO TAKE A FLYING LEAP!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Redeye the stacking rule did not bother your team last year in the under15c when had played the top teams the second time around the teams were completly different!!!!!

Do you not think it is bit strange that you guys lose to us and then you beat Croydon and your 17s play at home at the same time
every home game

in regards to the loss not all teams want to play with eleven players in defence what does that teach the players as it was said you did against Birkalla we are more than happy for you to come down and check our team sheet for that game agianst our team list.

[rossonero]

lads please calm down....this stuff happens all the time.... end of the day the players are owned by the CLUB not just a team.... unless overage players have been inserted in a team to win a game then no rules were broken.... lets get over it...

[AssistantCoach]

i know most clubs do it to try and stay in the league they are currently in...for instance dropping players if you are near bottom of a league so u dont get relegated. fair enough...it is legal - people only get angry when they lose but who cares it means ur son/daughter are playing better opposition and are developing better anyway

[ZZZZ]

a way you can stop the players moving down is to say no to changing a game to a friday nite or another way is the ffsa to try to schedule u16/u17 games same time and also with u14/u15 and u12/u13. this will stop some of it. just what ive noticed over the years. or last 5 games of season like the cup way u can only play down an age group if you have already played say 2 or 3 games for the lower age group during the year.

few years ago our u12 were going to get relegated and our u13 vying to finish 1st. because u12 play at 12pm and u13 at 8.45am we had enough time for 3 eligible 12 year olds to play u13 then have enough time to get to the other game u12 at 12pm. worked a treat didnt get relegated but u13 didnt win their championship. But its not about winning but it WAS about our u12 not getting relegated so we dont lose the better players we had developed.

thanks

[Jeda]

goes to show that most parents are chasing glory

[reddevil25]

if you play up an age group that should be locked in for the season like they do in kids netball-- once you go up then you stay there all season

it would stop all this moving up and down just to try and win a game or stop a club trying to keep a crap team in the wrong division

[clubman]

if you play up an age group that should be locked in for the season like they do in kids netball-- once you go up then you stay there all season

it would stop all this moving up and down just to try and win a game or stop a club trying to keep a crap team in the wrong division

Interesting game tonight
ACJSC v CCSC U/12 .
CCSC bring down 3 U/13 players.
Desprate measures by CCSC .
Great coach

[redeye]

Not sure thats actually going to happen Clubman, but maybe so, however Adelaide City have never done that before
have they

[Stitch This]

Interesting game tonight
ACJSC v CCSC U/12 .
CCSC bring down 3 U/13 players.
Desprate measures by CCSC .
Great coach

Desperate for what - 2nd place?

Yeah, that's what the bloke down the pub told me as well.

[clubman]

Not sure thats actually going to happen Clubman, but maybe so, however Adelaide City have never done that before
have they

Don't know if ac do but metro doesn't it all about player development at metro
hayhurst won't allow it.

[Whiteslane]

Well done to metro then, thats exactly how it should be in my opinion.
Had it on good authority though that CCSC wont be doing it either at tomorrow nights game

[clubman]

Well done to metro then, thats exactly how it should be in my opinion.
Had it on good authority though that CCSC wont be doing it either at tomorrow nights game

That game is tonight

[Big Mac]

if you play up an age group that should be locked in for the season like they do in kids netball-- once you go up then you stay there all season

it would stop all this moving up and down just to try and win a game or stop a club trying to keep a crap team in the wrong division

What happens if a team has illness or injury, and wants to bring young kids up for one game?
At my Sons club coaches are told, BRING KIDS UP...NOT DOWN.
If this is not done coaches are chatted.

[010101]

Clubman get your facts right before you post a reply If Hayhurst does not allow players to come down then how do you explain The Manchester united squad that Hayhurst picked he dropped 5 or 6 of the 15,s to makeway for the players that were in the 16,s and 17,s

[010101]

Clubman just heard from a little bird that an under 12 that was playing in the 13s was dropped to the u12A,s instead of bringing up a b player from the 12,bs ask HAYHURST how ths happened since he does not allow it.

[Nice One Cyril]

Clubman just heard from a little bird that an under 12 that was playing in the 13s was dropped to the u12A,s instead of bringing up a b player from the 12,bs ask HAYHURST how ths happened since he does not allow it.

Does it really matter? If they're age qualified then there's no problem, just let the coaches decide. The people most worried about winning are the bleeding parents.

Just because you ........., don't try have a vicarious football career though little Johnny.

[Killa Pass]

Clubman just heard from a little bird that an under 12 that was playing in the 13s was dropped to the u12A,s instead of bringing up a b player from the 12,bs ask HAYHURST how ths happened since he does not allow it.

Does it really matter? If they're age qualified then there's no problem, just let the coaches decide. The people most worried about winning are the bleeding parents.

Just because you ..............., don't try have a vicarious football career though little Johnny.

GET over it... happens all the time it's football you know the parents get more upset about it..

MMM team of orphans anywhere !!

[Fowler69]

One way to stop it is for the FFSA to enforce that players regardless of age be registered with a certain age group.
E.G If a 14 year old is deemed good enough for the Under 15's he is registered with the Under 15 team and can only play
up an age group rather than down. I think this is a good way to promote the lad so that he can gain the experience

This seems to be an easy way of controlling the issue. It would make clubs think about where they are going to place the lads for the season if they are not able to drop back down and play. This happens in the cup, clubs play there best team in the cup, not the team they play week in week out. At least it is a fair league you know who you will be playing and everyone in that league will be playing the same teams and the best team will win the league.

[nomoredirtysheets]

well if your teams getting flogged such as 8-0 etc.
you would want to bring players down to even just make it maybe a 1-0 or a win.
sure its a bit harsh on the players that get dropped from the team to make way for the better players but they should still get some game time?

[Nice One Cyril]

One way to stop it is for the FFSA to enforce that players regardless of age be registered with a certain age group.
E.G If a 14 year old is deemed good enough for the Under 15's he is registered with the Under 15 team and can only play
up an age group rather than down. I think this is a good way to promote the lad so that he can gain the experience

This seems to be an easy way of controlling the issue. It would make clubs think about where they are going to place the lads for the season if they are not able to drop back down and play. This happens in the cup, clubs play there best team in the cup, not the team they play week in week out. At least it is a fair league you know who you will be playing and everyone in that league will be playing the same teams and the best team will win the league.

It's junior football FFS, not the World Cup.

I suppose there's more chance of your son's team winning something than Liverpool though

[povman_2009]

Don't see what is wrong with the kids playing in the same level all year, if they are playing up then they should stay there, what is gained from dropping them down ? A kid who normally plays gets the flick and some one gets to run around and be better than everyone else. What does it teach the child who sits out ? What does it teach the rest of them ....

[010101]

Ay one know the results from last night U12s CCSC V AC

[Barca4life10]

ye adelaide city won 2-0 and no players were dropped down. were well taken goals. AC U12 league champions and cup champions THE DOUBLE!!!