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greavsie's_daughter wrote:I think we all need to agree that the selection system, for whatever team whether it's State (especially lately) or National, isn't fair, there's too much politics involved- once we accept that then it's easier to be supportive of the girls who are selected. We know them, we respect many of them as players, and it's important to support them in their efforts because it's good for Australian Women's Football. While I think there should be much more transparency in the FFSA selection processes (procedures and criteria clearly stated and adhered to), I'm not sure what can be done about it, for the people who complain risk being tagged as 'troublemakers'. Maybe this is another thread, but any thoughts out there? Or am I getting way too serious for this forum?
I think theres always gonna be politics. You cant have state or national teams without involving politics. These days you cant even be a part of a club team without being willing to put up with some of the politics that follows pretty much all teams. Its just something we have to accept and get over.
Its not going to be changed, and even if something is changed in regards to the selection processes, theres always gonna be someone who has an issue.
Theres always gonna be the girls who miss out, and it sucks, but thats the way its always gonna be.
i agree with c'ling.
and i mean really, that's just life
and are you talking about like criteria the girls need to be selected? because that wont work.
and who complains about not getting selected enough to be tagged as troublemarkers?
Clearly no one complains enough to be branded a troublemaker, that's the point- even if there's a legitimate grievance, there's that fear that prevents people from saying anything. All I'm asking is that the system be transparent. By that I mean that there's a process that's followed- i.e. "We're having trials on these dates- we will select from those who have trialed on the specified dates (or due to illness or travel will be allowed to trial at another time). We will not invite people onto a squad who have not gone through the trial process that's been outlined publicly-"
Yes, some people who aren't selected will feel that it isn't fair, and politics are involved no matter what the process is- but at least the process is adhered to and there's the appearance that everyone is getting an equal shot at selection.
greavsie's_daughter wrote:Clearly no one complains enough to be branded a troublemaker, that's the point- even if there's a legitimate grievance, there's that fear that prevents people from saying anything. All I'm asking is that the system be transparent. By that I mean that there's a process that's followed- i.e. "We're having trials on these dates- we will select from those who have trialed on the specified dates (or due to illness or travel will be allowed to trial at another time). We will not invite people onto a squad who have not gone through the trial process that's been outlined publicly-"
Yes, some people who aren't selected will feel that it isn't fair, and politics are involved no matter what the process is- but at least the process is adhered to and there's the appearance that everyone is getting an equal shot at selection.
As far as im aware its always been like that. Im pretty sure there's always been the guidelines, but thats all they are, guidelines. Theres always going to be exceptions and loopholes. Players who have the opportunity to trial at a seperate time can use one of their games as a trial if the state coach can get out to a game, and if the coach sees someone else out at a game that they like that havent trialled they'll invite them out to the squad as well.
(I dont know if this has changed since I've gotten too old for state teams etc)
We want the strongest teams we can field, and that means that some players may be invited out to join the squad at a date after the trials.
Any process that FFSA may or may not bring in will have loopholes.
give a team a break!
"to be a team, to play together... its the best gift that can be given or recieved"
I agree that it's important to field the best teams we can, and so there's logic to the practice of inviting players onto a squad who haven't trialed with everyone else, if a coach feels that they will contribute to the success of a squad. However, the practice of issuing these invitations just makes it easier for the selection process to become more political than it already would be- moreover, it excuses those who are invited out from having to perform and impress at an organized trial on a particular day and time- I'm sure you've all had bad performances on a particular day.
Maybe I'll just have to get used to it- but i can still think it stinks. BTW I'm not coming from a position of not having been selected- so I don't have a personal axe to grind- just have seen the selection process play out.
Last edited by greavsie's_daughter on Fri May 29, 2009 12:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Alright, well as i said i dont really know whats happening with it anymore, but im pretty sure the FFSA has the guidelines there, they'd have to, moreso for the boys than anything cuz they get heaps of people trialling... so maybe its the coaches playing favourites and knowing who they like and want for the teams that are causing the problems.
i mean with the size of the womens comp being quite small, coaches are gonna know a lot of the players.
give a team a break!
"to be a team, to play together... its the best gift that can be given or recieved"
also. if they scout out for players, and they see them play when not at a trial, and they're better than someone on the current list, well then of course they're going to offer them a place. we want to take the best teams we can field when we go away.
our system is screwed in the sense that, okay when do the teams go away, early july?
the teams have just been picked right?
oh, yeah, sure, about a months training, yep tht will be enough time to cover everything, help them mesh, cover set plays etc etc
it's insane.
i was unaware that Sasi are standing up and saying, "we made these players".
They're stepping up and helping the girls that have shown talent get to where they want to be, seriously whats so wrong with that?
Your saying your sick of sasi and those institutions taking the credit, when really, i havent heard one person say its all sasi's doing that these girls have got where they are now.
these girls have talent, and yes, sasi helped macca and angela out, but not one single person on here is saying that sasi made these players.
we know they're talented, we know they're determined, and we know they are and were awesome players before sasi.
and perhaps sasi's long list of players is from oh, i dont know, younger girls showing more talent?
give a team a break!
"to be a team, to play together... its the best gift that can be given or recieved"
SAD GAL wrote:Are football players now weight lifters? Keep them outta the gym. Strength and conditioning does not happen in there.
Fimmano plied her trade in the boys league And correct me if I am wrong but didn't she win the "Bend it Like Beckham" comp when she was not in SASI? He ascension to the matildas started way before the Valetta academy stood up and took the accolades.
As the learned people in football have always maintained, if a player has not developed their skills by 14, they never will.
There is nothing funnier (and embarrassing) to see players in their late teens or 20's trying to do tricks with the ball. Whilst its amazing to watch a player at 10, 12, 13 or 14 demonstrate a wide repertoire of skill.
You cannot manufacture brilliance. SASI actually stifles a players natural ability and wants them to be robotic.
SASI has a long long long list of players that have been churned out and discarded. If the “recipe” worked, then it would have had a far better strike rate than it had.
Lets no detract from what these talented girls have achieved. Its not by luck. Not from gym or sports scientists or beep tests or the coaches words of wisdom….its talent and commitment and love of the game.
I am sick of “institutions” taking a bow when its not their doing. The only thing they give is the pathway because of the politics of the system. Otherwise good players would not do state or be part of SASI.
does gym and beep tests and conditioning and training and practicing the basics and having a coach with experience, help players improve. well of course it does.
Wonderful. 11,12,13,14 year olds being able to do tricks with the ball, against inferior opposition. Might be useful on occasions at the higher level. One would not want to make a habit of it against players of equal or more ability and strength and work ethic, would be foolish and made to look the same.
Going on about Gyms , Beep Tests is pretty ordinary, when are players who have ambitions to play at the elite level going to realise that games are played at a frenetic pace for 90 minutes.
Robotic? No at the elite level being a team player is more important. A player does not do their assigned job, the whole team will break down or be compromised.
To say SASI are the only state who do things as they are done is naive.
GYM, beep tests etc are world wide and even more so in many cases.
beaches wrote:Wonderful. 11,12,13,14 year olds being able to do tricks with the ball, against inferior opposition. Might be useful on occasions at the higher level. One would not want to make a habit of it against players of equal or more ability and strength and work ethic, would be foolish and made to look the same.
Going on about Gyms , Beep Tests is pretty ordinary, when are players who have ambitions to play at the elite level going to realise that games are played at a frenetic pace for 90 minutes.
Robotic? No at the elite level being a team player is more important. A player does not do their assigned job, the whole team will break down or be compromised.
To say SASI are the only state who do things as they are done is naive.
GYM, beep tests etc are world wide and even more so in many cases.
agreed.
so sad gal i think between the three of us we shut down absolutely everything you said
next pointless negative having a go at everyone comment?
brilliance is not contrived. especially when the formula is rolled out to the masses.
beaches wrote:Wonderful. 11,12,13,14 year olds being able to do tricks with the ball, against inferior opposition. Might be useful on occasions at the higher level. One would not want to make a habit of it against players of equal or more ability and strength and work ethic, would be foolish and made to look the same.
Going on about Gyms , Beep Tests is pretty ordinary, when are players who have ambitions to play at the elite level going to realise that games are played at a frenetic pace for 90 minutes.
Robotic? No at the elite level being a team player is more important. A player does not do their assigned job, the whole team will break down or be compromised.
To say SASI are the only state who do things as they are done is naive.
GYM, beep tests etc are world wide and even more so in many cases.
No, brilliance is not contrived.
I dont recall any of us ever saying that.
But sasi & other institutions recognise brilliance and nurture it so that the players can go further. theres no "formula"... otherwise we'd all be brilliant.
i mean really, what do you expect? you said yourself that sasi and state teams only act as a pathway and thats the only reason good players have anything to do with them... what are you proposing happens instead of these "pathways"? do you want all girls who think they're good enough to go out to a massive national trial? you want the australian coach to pick a squad out of the hundreds of girls that would try out? i mean thats just pure stupidity.
give a team a break!
"to be a team, to play together... its the best gift that can be given or recieved"
_changeling_ wrote:No, brilliance is not contrived.
I dont recall any of us ever saying that.
But sasi & other institutions recognise brilliance and nurture it so that the players can go further. theres no "formula"... otherwise we'd all be brilliant.
i mean really, what do you expect? you said yourself that sasi and state teams only act as a pathway and thats the only reason good players have anything to do with them... what are you proposing happens instead of these "pathways"? do you want all girls who think they're good enough to go out to a massive national trial? you want the australian coach to pick a squad out of the hundreds of girls that would try out? i mean thats just pure stupidity.
exactly
pure stupidity seems to be sad gals theme for today though
