WILL THIS WORK

Post by **John Cena** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:30 am

figuring the womans forum has got a bit boring tell me what u think about this idea, every premier league club should have say 2 or more sasi players , like the sanfl do with the afl listed players, this im sure would help the younger players at each club, and make the premier league more consistent thru all clubs

beaches · Post by **beaches** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:51 am

Interesting Coyote. The ruling I believe was a club could only have 3 SASI players and that if any further players from that club went into SASI that was ok because they were homegrown. Also if a player left SASI that player was still deemed to be a SASI player for 12 months after. Someone else may have an update on this.

Post by **John Cena** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:04 am

thank u beaches , i think this could work , it would make it more even for all clubs, i remember a certain player that i spoke to at a cup game this year could not play for her club cause they already had the sasi players quota, so why should that player sit out when she can still play ?

gubs · Post by **gubs** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:24 pm

yeh that happened to me this season. i was no longer a sasi player as of 2007 however was still counted as a sasi player for the 2007 season. as i had not registered due to not being able to play for work reasons my club signed an extra sasi player. Then wanting to play reserves when I was not rostered to work I found that i was not allowed to register for the club i had previously played for for the past 9 seasons

its tough having to say 2 sasi players per club. sasi players dont have to play club and they should not be forced to. Also add to that sasi players need to be around clubs with as professional as possible environments and i strongly disagree that all prem league clubs have as professional as possible environment

Unretired · Post by **Unretired** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:44 pm

How would you chose what girl goes to what club????

What if that SASI player did not like the club she was sent too????

If we lived in an ideal world the suggestion would be valid.

I mean ideally that would be great for the up and coming Premier league clubs. But would the SASI players be happy moving to a club where they know no one?

SAD GAL · Post by **SAD GAL** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:03 pm

Good discussion.

Valid points and I would add that the players in women's comp are the most transient ie move around from club to club regularly. Reason? Follow friends or where the "in group is" rather than for develeopmental reasons.

In an ideal world all sasi players would play for a club and things like: Which club is most convenient, etc would be taken into account.

After all player development is the key purpose here. Not about where a player wants to go (important yes but not critical). If it became mandatory to join a club then there would be no issue on the part of the player.

I think it will also help the sasi players too in their development. The under 16 boys (majority) do not offer the "intelligent" football players need. The womens comp does. Boys at that age a fast. Yes! Physical. No!

Gommy · Post by **Gommy** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:42 am

Why doesn't SASI enter in the Womens Premier League as the 11th team & play on Wednesday nights the same as the mens have done for the past years. This way they would be playing against the best in womens football. The only problem would be that the teams that they normally play for would not access to them.

gubs · Post by **gubs** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:47 am

coz thats no competition for SASI. They would rip apart ALL premier league teams.....without a doubt

ecky_8 · Post by **ecky_8** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:56 am

yeah, theres no way they wld hav a gd competition that way. n alot of clubs wld not want 2 play on wednesday nights even if it was jst 2x a yr.
theres no way 2 really improve the system we have by jst movin trhe SASI players...if we r gonna improve the system we have 2 reformat the league. true it wld be gd if each team had at least 2 SASI players but SASI players r jst like normal players. they want to play in a team with gd players which is y the the top half of the league has most of the SASI players (that r playin)

ecky_8 · Post by **ecky_8** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:03 am

SAD GAL wrote: I think it will also help the sasi players too in their development. The under 16 boys (majority) do not offer the "intelligent" football players need. The womens comp does. Boys at that age a fast. Yes! Physical. No!

r u implyin that boys at that age rnt physical??? if u r then ur severly mistaken. thats the age wen boys start to get much bigger then girls of that age (14/15/16). i no...i played boys at under 15 level last yr. boys at nder 16 level may not be as physical as U19's n up but they r physical enough for the average female SASI players.

gubs · Post by **gubs** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:06 am

i think the girls out muscle the boys and are more physical in their attack on the ball and tackles. wouldn't say there was a massive difference but i think the girls normally win the physical battle.

all the boys do is play long balls coz they are always faster. no brains required really which is a reason as to why i think sensation often struggle in womens nat comps. they need to be playing smart teams not just teams that bomb it long n run on to it

SAD GAL · Post by **SAD GAL** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:39 am

Thanks Gubs. That's exactly what I meant.

beaches · Post by **beaches** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:36 pm

11 teams in Premier League! there are 4 too many now!!

Keeps · Post by **Keeps** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:46 pm

Why do you think 11 teams are too many beaches?

Tottenham Hotspur · Post by **Tottenham Hotspur** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:38 pm

gubs wrote:i think the girls out muscle the boys and are more physical in their attack on the ball and tackles. wouldn't say there was a massive difference but i think the girls normally win the physical battle.

all the boys do is play long balls coz they are always faster. no brains required really which is a reason as to why i think sensation often struggle in womens nat comps. they need to be playing smart teams not just teams that bomb it long n run on to it

I would suggest that alot of the boys would not go in as hard for fear of hurting 'a girl'. This is an issue at the younger boys level.
As for the no brains bit, the boys arent that smart at that age, I most definately agree, long balls that is upto the coach, but the u/16 comp is still viewed as not so serious (unless your playing that level) until they get two divisions.
Why dont they put the SASI squad in the u/19s, or at least the u/17a, and they only play that comp?. No prem games at all. That would give them the harder games and more physical games as well.
IMO this would give other players something to work towards.

gubs · Post by **gubs** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:02 pm

Tottenham Hotspur wrote:
gubs wrote:i think the girls out muscle the boys and are more physical in their attack on the ball and tackles. wouldn't say there was a massive difference but i think the girls normally win the physical battle.

all the boys do is play long balls coz they are always faster. no brains required really which is a reason as to why i think sensation often struggle in womens nat comps. they need to be playing smart teams not just teams that bomb it long n run on to it

I would suggest that alot of the boys would not go in as hard for fear of hurting 'a girl'. This is an issue at the younger boys level.
As for the no brains bit, the boys arent that smart at that age, I most definately agree, long balls that is upto the coach, but the u/16 comp is still viewed as not so serious (unless your playing that level) until they get two divisions.
Why dont they put the SASI squad in the u/19s, or at least the u/17a, and they only play that comp?. No prem games at all. That would give them the harder games and more physical games as well.
IMO this would give other players something to work towards.

they should not be playing at under 16's level if this is the case. pretty poor excuse. i honestly think the girls are stronger than the boys in the under 16's comp not just coz the boys are scared to hurt the girls....lol

Post by **John Cena** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:17 pm

Mrs Trainer wrote:How would you chose what girl goes to what club????

What if that SASI player did not like the club she was sent too????

If we lived in an ideal world the suggestion would be valid.

I mean ideally that would be great for the up and coming Premier league clubs. But would the SASI players be happy moving to a club where they know no one?

ok so lets say for instance that quiggles makes sasi and they already have the quota you will have no choice but move clubs

SAD GAL · Post by **SAD GAL** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:18 pm

Yes however, the boys play the complete team game and not as separate entities which is what has impacted upon the girls results.

The intelligence factor is what needs to develop in the sasi players if they wish to progress up the matildas ranks. Why? Because when they do get picked for a train on squad, they have many hurdles to overcome ie new state, outnumbered (SAv NSW v Qld, etc) not being the "Big fish in the SA pond" and not having the safety net at close hand.

This mental toughness is what fails the players at the next level.

There is only so much the coach here in SA can do and maybe they should be made to toughen up. This won't happen in a junior boys league.

I have seen players (sasi) who come off the field after a sawsa game in far spent condition (mental and physical) than when they come off from a boys game.

beaches · Post by **beaches** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:36 pm

Keeps, there have many one-sided games for a number of years now.

Much attention has been focused on SASI and how there should be more going on to a higher level from there. Everybody has given different opinions on coaches , who is in SASI etc, who should be picked for Adelaide Sensation (when it starts again). Selection for State teams comes into this as well.

My opinion has been put numerous times on the forum, ie. A Super League in various formats. I know that a number of Clubs would not entertain the idea of reducing the number of same in Premier League.

However until there is a domestic competition of a really high standard week in week out even for 10 weeks of a season, where the supposed best play the supposed best, the Coaches at SASI, Sensation and State levels have very difficult jobs. The coaches will get a much better view of players.

In a really hot domestic competition it is more in the individual players hands to show their talents/potential/work ethics and someone just said about a mental toughness.

The best against the best full on with a fair bit of personal pride and especially the opportunity for advancement to another level at stake will see games like I witnessed for example Fulham v Adelaide City in semi of cup and the cup final Metrov Fulham. With a Super League this should happen 3 times a week for 8 or 10 weeks. These games could be played midweek, and still have normal Premier League on Sundays.

This has been my opinion for sometime now, and thats that. Forget SASI/ Sensation for a couple of months get the Development of Football at a Domestic level right first.

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:00 pm

beaches wrote:Keeps, there have many one-sided games for a number of years now.

Much attention has been focused on SASI and how there should be more going on to a higher level from there. Everybody has given different opinions on coaches , who is in SASI etc, who should be picked for Adelaide Sensation (when it starts again). Selection for State teams comes into this as well.

My opinion has been put numerous times on the forum, ie. A Super League in various formats. I know that a number of Clubs would not entertain the idea of reducing the number of same in Premier League.

However until there is a domestic competition of a really high standard week in week out even for 10 weeks of a season, where the supposed best play the supposed best, the Coaches at SASI, Sensation and State levels have very difficult jobs. The coaches will get a much better view of players.

In a really hot domestic competition it is more in the individual players hands to show their talents/potential/work ethics and someone just said about a mental toughness.

The best against the best full on with a fair bit of personal pride and especially the opportunity for advancement to another level at stake will see games like I witnessed for example Fulham v Adelaide City in semi of cup and the cup final Metrov Fulham. With a Super League this should happen 3 times a week for 8 or 10 weeks. These games could be played midweek, and still have normal Premier League on Sundays.

This has been my opinion for sometime now, and thats that. Forget SASI/ Sensation for a couple of months get the Development of Football at a Domestic level right first.

The league was down to 6/7 teams not that long ago, teams were still getting smashed, and if anything the leagues standard has improved since then not decreased.

beaches · Post by **beaches** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:14 am

I might be old and a canditate for Alzheimers, but cannot recall there being 6/7 teams in Premier League at least since 1998.

For the number of players participating now , there should be some improvement, having said that, over the past 10 years the quality of the better players would not be much different. This could be argued for and against.

One must remember that participating player numbers will have also increased greatly in other states. So the status quo as far as South Aussies reaching elite levels will remain very similar.

If the hierachy of Australian Womens Football happened to drop into Adelaide and watched a Premier League game 1/2/3 versus 8/9/10 they would not bother again.

However if there was a Super League of 4 plus a young SASI/Sensation team, all playing midweek at various venues, not only would the competition be hot but would also promote womens football. Over a period of 10 weeks at the beginning of the season because this would run up to State Champioships etc.

Having NSEW teams would also give the better players from "developing" clubs an opportunity to show their wares on a bigger stage with good players in support. I do believe this would over time be beneficial to all.

The normal Premier League whether 8 or 10 could still be on Sundays. Many players in SASI in the past and present have really enjoyed playing for their clubs, it is a break from a regimented training program. They like being involved with their friends whom they played with before going into SASI.

Depending on what new concept comes up regards SASI a number of players could be pro a Super League format.

Anyway I have put my two bobs worth in, I am sure others have the answers. I rest my case.

Tottenham Hotspur · Post by **Tottenham Hotspur** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:59 am

The problem IMO is that when you have a small league you get bored playing the same team again and again and you get to know their style etc really well so the games could become draws more often then not.
This is a comment that goes around in the A league from the players and thats a 8 team comp.

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:41 am

beaches wrote:I might be old and a canditate for Alzheimers, but cannot recall there being 6/7 teams in Premier League at least since 1998.

For the number of players participating now , there should be some improvement, having said that, over the past 10 years the quality of the better players would not be much different. This could be argued for and against.

One must remember that participating player numbers will have also increased greatly in other states. So the status quo as far as South Aussies reaching elite levels will remain very similar.

If the hierachy of Australian Womens Football happened to drop into Adelaide and watched a Premier League game 1/2/3 versus 8/9/10 they would not bother again.

However if there was a Super League of 4 plus a young SASI/Sensation team, all playing midweek at various venues, not only would the competition be hot but would also promote womens football. Over a period of 10 weeks at the beginning of the season because this would run up to State Champioships etc.

Having NSEW teams would also give the better players from "developing" clubs an opportunity to show their wares on a bigger stage with good players in support. I do believe this would over time be beneficial to all.

The normal Premier League whether 8 or 10 could still be on Sundays. Many players in SASI in the past and present have really enjoyed playing for their clubs, it is a break from a regimented training program. They like being involved with their friends whom they played with before going into SASI.

Depending on what new concept comes up regards SASI a number of players could be pro a Super League format.

Anyway I have put my two bobs worth in, I am sure others have the answers. I rest my case.

Before Campbelltown, Gawler and Para Hills came in to the Premier League was it not a 7 team league after Adelaide Uni dropped out?

Unretired · Post by **Unretired** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:48 pm

I know for a fact that when para Hills entered the comp it was an 8 team comp. With Para Hills it became a 9 League competition.

And Gawler went up the year before Para Hills but im not sure if anyone had pulled out before that.

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:14 pm

Mrs Trainer wrote:I know for a fact that when para Hills entered the comp it was an 8 team comp. With Para Hills it became a 9 League competition.

And Gawler went up the year before Para Hills but im not sure if anyone had pulled out before that.

Eliz Vale or Grove dropped out...

Tottenham Hotspur · Post by **Tottenham Hotspur** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:52 pm

gubs wrote:
Tottenham Hotspur wrote:
gubs wrote:i think the girls out muscle the boys and are more physical in their attack on the ball and tackles. wouldn't say there was a massive difference but i think the girls normally win the physical battle.

all the boys do is play long balls coz they are always faster. no brains required really which is a reason as to why i think sensation often struggle in womens nat comps. they need to be playing smart teams not just teams that bomb it long n run on to it

I would suggest that alot of the boys would not go in as hard for fear of hurting 'a girl'. This is an issue at the younger boys level.
As for the no brains bit, the boys arent that smart at that age, I most definately agree, long balls that is upto the coach, but the u/16 comp is still viewed as not so serious (unless your playing that level) until they get two divisions.
Why dont they put the SASI squad in the u/19s, or at least the u/17a, and they only play that comp?. No prem games at all. That would give them the harder games and more physical games as well.
IMO this would give other players something to work towards.
they should not be playing at under 16's level if this is the case. pretty poor excuse. i honestly think the girls are stronger than the boys in the under 16's comp not just coz the boys are scared to hurt the girls....lol

Like or not its a fact that when they are young they dont go in as hard. 17 or 19s are alot different. Faster alot more physical and alot more skilled, and hopefully alot more game awareness

ecky_8 · Post by **ecky_8** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:09 pm

hopefully is the key word for sum of those guys i think

ecky_8 · Post by **ecky_8** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:10 pm

gubs wrote:i think the girls out muscle the boys and are more physical in their attack on the ball and tackles. wouldn't say there was a massive difference but i think the girls normally win the physical battle.

all the boys do is play long balls coz they are always faster. no brains required really which is a reason as to why i think sensation often struggle in womens nat comps. they need to be playing smart teams not just teams that bomb it long n run on to it

despite the fact that i dont agree with the physical issue...the girls do need to play smarter teams. most of the guys at U16 level r there coz they're not gd/smart enough 4 U17/19's. thats how it works in the boys leagues...the gd players go up above theyre age level
howver at U16 level bein physical is all sum of them hav goin for them...but they r nowhere near the level of U17's n up