FIFA not pursuing Racists & Nazis

[Knight15]

I saw some African fans who had painted themselves white the other day, I'm sure that will never get a mention. Whilst I don't consider painting your face black to be racist - I think in this case it's a racist movement that do this, so probably a different story. Years ago when Cameroon played in the Olympic Finals a number of us got Affro's - the Cameroon Fans loved it and players came over to us after the game, wouldn't go down well now though, hmmmm how we've developed

[God is an Englishman]

Being born in Australia doesn't automatically give someone Australian citizenship.

Precisely.

However, does being born to an australian parent autmoatically give someone Australian citizenship.

Parentage > location. Even the law backs me up on this one.

I should have clarified that one parent is a naturalised Australian. But here in lies the issue and you continue to over simplify it. What if the parent in question being an Australian citizen, but born elsewhere, with parents born elsewhere and not Australian citizens, gives birth to a child with a non citizen, the child then recieves citizenship as you confirmed. Now the only link to Austalian citizenship is the naturalisation of one of the parents.

The parent was able to be naturalised and is Australian in the eyes of the law (something which you are keen to use to back your argument) with their parents being from elsewhere, so why doesn't this apply to Balotelli? In the case I mentioned, parentage was not greater than location so why is it okay to select which generations you wish your rule to be applied to.

then i wouldn't consider the child to be Australian.

[Trezegoal #17]

So we have established that you believe that parentage should take precedence over location, we have established that being born in a country doesn't guarantee a citizenship in that country, or at least in Australia, one of the parents must be a citizen of that country. This is your view as I understood it as per your response to El Pibe, with respects to his mothers origins. Your answer to his question about whether or not he is Australian, gave me the understanding that you deemed him to be Australian by virtue of his mothers birthplace. We have established that in the scenario I gave you in my last post that you deem the child to not be Australian.

So by your interpretation my Father is not Australian, my mother also being born elsewhere is not Australian, this would then make me not an Australian Citizen, as parentage is more important. Fine, always considered myself Australian and my Australian passport seems to say otherwise, but hey what would the Australian government know anyway, they only make the laws which govern society, but you wouldn't be interested in the law backing anything up, would you. Lastly there is what you said to El Pibe, I'm pretty sure, but stand to be corrected on this one, that his mothers parents were not Australian citizens, therefore she cannot be considered an Australian citizen, so therefore like me, El Pibe too is not an Australian.

It once again it proves that you can only doll out hypocritical nonsense to prove your points, choosing when to apply your own view points in order to swing the argument your way. But the bottom line is no matter how hard you persist with your beliefs, it can't mean that you can never be wrong. The facts are and laws state, that I'm in fact as is El Pibe an Australian, as Balotelli is an Italian, these are the facts, backed up by the law. Terms that you are very happy to bandy about when it suits you.

[El Pibe D'Oro]

So we have established that you believe that parentage should take precedence over location, we have established that being born in a country doesn't guarantee a citizenship in that country, or at least in Australia, one of the parents must be a citizen of that country. This is your view as I understood it as per your response to El Pibe, with respects to his mothers origins. Your answer to his question about whether or not he is Australian, gave me the understanding that you deemed him to be Australian by virtue of his mothers birthplace. We have established that in the scenario I gave you in my last post that you deem the child to not be Australian.

So by your interpretation my Father is not Australian, my mother also being born elsewhere is not Australian, this would then make me not an Australian Citizen, as parentage is more important. Fine, always considered myself Australian and my Australian passport seems to say otherwise, but hey what would the Australian government know anyway, they only make the laws which govern society, but you wouldn't be interested in the law backing anything up, would you. Lastly there is what you said to El Pibe, I'm pretty sure, but stand to be corrected on this one, that his mothers parents were not Australian citizens, therefore she cannot be considered an Australian citizen, so therefore like me, El Pibe too is not an Australian.

It once again it proves that you can only doll out hypocritical nonsense to prove your points, choosing when to apply your own view points in order to swing the argument your way. But the bottom line is no matter how hard you persist with your beliefs, it can't mean that you can never be wrong. The facts are and laws state, that I'm in fact as is El Pibe an Australian, as Balotelli is an Italian, these are the facts, backed up by the law. Terms that you are very happy to bandy about when it suits you.

Don't waste your time.

For the record my mothers parents were forced out if their country, so no they were not born here, best thing that ever happened in the end.

Some people just like to argue for the sake of it

[Old Master]

However, does being born to an australian parent autmoatically give someone Australian citizenship.

Parentage > location. Even the law backs me up on this one.[/quote]

I should have clarified that one parent is a naturalised Australian. But here in lies the issue and you continue to over simplify it. What if the parent in question being an Australian citizen, but born elsewhere, with parents born elsewhere and not Australian citizens, gives birth to a child with a non citizen, the child then recieves citizenship as you confirmed. Now the only link to Austalian citizenship is the naturalisation of one of the parents.

The parent was able to be naturalised and is Australian in the eyes of the law (something which you are keen to use to back your argument) with their parents being from elsewhere, so why doesn't this apply to Balotelli? In the case I mentioned, parentage was not greater than location so why is it okay to select which generations you wish your rule to be applied to.[/quote]

then i wouldn't consider the child to be Australian.[/quote]


According to your rationale half the England squad are ineligible to play for England - in that case who is?

[God is an Englishman]

According to your rationale half the England squad are ineligible to play for England - in that case who is?

I have said all along that you should only be able to represent a country that you were entitled to the passport of at birth. That would rule sterling and ballotelli out.

[Trezegoal #17]

According to your rationale half the England squad are ineligible to play for England - in that case who is?

I have said all along that you should only be able to represent a country that you were entitled to the passport of at birth. That would rule sterling and ballotelli out.

And it's this definition of "entitlement" where opinions differ, and it is where you are wrong. The countries in question have determined who is entitled, end of story. All you have provided to back your argument up, is a self proclaimed rule, that is contradictory in it's very nature as displayed by your comments.

[God is an Englishman]

According to your rationale half the England squad are ineligible to play for England - in that case who is?

I have said all along that you should only be able to represent a country that you were entitled to the passport of at birth. That would rule sterling and ballotelli out.

And it's this definition of "entitlement" where opinions differ, and it is where you are wrong. The countries in question have determined who is entitled, end of story. All you have provided to back your argument up, is a self proclaimed rule, that is contradictory in it's very nature as displayed by your comments.

No, the entitlement is determined by law.

[Trezegoal #17]

And who creates the laws within each respective country?

My god it's like speaking to a child.

[God is an Englishman]

And who creates the laws within each respective country?

My god it's like speaking to a child.

the governments obviously.

[Trezegoal #17]

And who creates the laws within each respective country?

My god it's like speaking to a child.

the governments obviously.

Say no more....

[God is an Englishman]

And who creates the laws within each respective country?

My god it's like speaking to a child.

the governments obviously.

Say no more....

So, was balotelli entitled to an italian passport at birth?

[Trezegoal #17]

Your original comment was that you did not consider Balotelli Italian, the whole basis of your argument was parentage over location and just because Balotelli was born in Italy does not entitle him to a passport, one parent had to be Italian.

You completely disproved this theory by your own admission. So I will not enter into the debate of whether he deserves to be a citizen based on his birthplace, because we will end up at the same point after doing a full circle of hypocritical nonsense from yourself.

Balotelli is Italian, whether or not his birth place has anything to do with it. This has been decided by Italy, and just so you know the government, elected by the citizens of Italy make laws on behalf of them, therefore the country has created the necessary legislation to give Balotelli his Italian passport, a primary school student could make that connection. You absolute f**kwit

[God is an Englishman]

Was he entitled to one on the day of his birth?

[Mícrowave Hamster]

A simple yes or no will suffice.

[Old Master]

It really doesn't matter when a person is 'entitled' to citizenship of a country as long as the government of that country accepts them as a citizen - unless that is if you want to become the President of the United States of America.