"C+" team Cup Competition?

[Caretaker Coach]

Here you go....just follow the pattern and make your own C-Cup

cheers for that, ironic it says on there you can use this for A-B-C cup .Thank you swannsong

[Jay Walking]

Not that it matters any more but I'm personally against it.

The C Team is more about having a kick on a Sunday with mates and been able to remain involved at your club. Yes there are a few guys who are B's players coming back from injury or looking to find some form but I think 18 games is enough. Most clubs use C's to top up their Reserves club sides.

For all of you having a go at Rob, he does a lot for our C team and most of them are his mate. He is allowed his opinion and what he said is exactly right.

We have the most successful reserves team in the last 10 years and I can't even remember how many cups we've won in that time. Every single cup team for our B's except for one year, had 2-3 regular C team players in the squad.

Those who want to take it seriously and play in the cup, play B's.

[Caretaker Coach]

Thanks for your input Jay Walking, respect and appreciate all the work you, and Robbo, and all coaches/managers do - not always an enviable task at any level.
The topic is open to discussion from both sides of the coin,interested to hear the pros +cons, and while some of us may be more passionate about it then others and we should not be too offended by it.
Depends which one there is more off ( pros or cons ) as to whether it goes ahead or not.

I only decided to get on board for a couple of reasons - this year and last season I was involved with both Saturday and Sunday C teams got to see first hand some of the quality now playing C team, and then there were those who will only ever play C team and are happy with that,all of them enjoy the social aspect that comes with it
During post match chats, a common denominator that kept coming with 90% of the clubs, was the discussion of a possibility of a Cup competition.

Secondly because I have been involved with saasl for a little while now, looking for a way to put something back into the game, looked at helping out to run a C team cup competition.
I did mention some of the things they need to take into consideration ....

kick off times - 10.30am could be Saturday or Sunday ,no E/T straight to sudden death penalties if scores are level ?
ground availability - play away if your ground's n/a
extra burden clubs - yes, however most C teams run themselves, just means more of the C players will have to help out game day
match officials - mostly by club volunteers,no different to league games
Cup Final - possibility of a Sat vs Sun teams,play it over 2 legs ( home Sat away Sun ) ?

Just some of the thoughts,please feel free to comment, for me, it is the first two points that could be the issue, and , if all C teams were to enter, talking about 60 teams,need to start same week as A's / B's.
Finally you are under no obligation to take part - I agree players should always strive to play at the highest level, and from what I have seen there are some who reach that level playing C team - these people are important,great for the club,love the game,never play for promotion/relegation,play same teams each year -why not let them experience the sudden death pressure that comes with cup games, against teams they dont normally against,at venues they have never played at, possibly on day dont normally play.
That is all.

[On The Pine]

Not that it matters any more but I'm personally against it.

The C Team is more about having a kick on a Sunday with mates and been able to remain involved at your club. Yes there are a few guys who are B's players coming back from injury or looking to find some form but I think 18 games is enough. Most clubs use C's to top up their Reserves club sides.

For all of you having a go at Rob, he does a lot for our C team and most of them are his mate. He is allowed his opinion and what he said is exactly right.

We have the most successful reserves team in the last 10 years and I can't even remember how many cups we've won in that time. Every single cup team for our B's except for one year, had 2-3 regular C team players in the squad.

Those who want to take it seriously and play in the cup, play B's.

What you don't get mate, and as Robbo misses too, is that whilst this may be true for your club it certainly is not indicative or reflective of many others. If you go back to my original post, the one that started this thread, you might note that I was asking for those that would be interested in being part of such a cup to indicate so that we can gauge how much support there is.

Whilst constructive comments either way are appreciated, such as questions of pitch availability in the "cons" for a cup, what is not appreciated is such a lack of disrespect and disdain for a lot of teams and individuals that help to keep most of our clubs running. Some of the suggestions that have been put forward as to why there should not be a cup are not logistical issues or concerns, they are derogatory remarks from a narcissistic breed with a superiority complex that need to pull their heads out of their butts and realise that even the first team football of division 1 is frowned upon by someone, somewhere. Do you hear blokes from Metrostars or Adelaide United coming on here and saying "It makes me sick that you amateurs glorify your low level football with a cup competition and what's more, you get to play on Hindmarsh!"

Furthermore, don't you get that by questioning the validity of a C team cup you are also sullying the legacy of your "most successful reserves team in the last 10 years" and the achievements in the cup that they have had? You know, because if they were "worth any salt" (Robbo, 30/9/13) they would be a part of the A team cup. You are right, he is allowed to have his own opinion, but when that opinion is moronic and full of hypocritical condescension don't be surprised when nobody wants to high five him.

If the cup competition gets off the ground and it doesn't work for the good folk at Ingle Farm, for one of a host of reasons, you are welcome not to nominate. I would hope that if such a time rolls around that the blokes in your C team are afforded the common decency and respect to make their own minds up on that.

[ontheblackburner]

Geeez you're a massive Drama Queen On the Pine - easily the biggest on this forum. I've got a wife and a dog that whinge and whine on par with you !! Fckn Drama Queen !!

What you aren't getting On the Pine is that your argument has logic: and logic doesn't belong on this forum.

Answer me this - how do you expect me to answer your post when its obviously too logical??? Don't you know I'm just going to attack you instead.

Stop Drama Queening on Footballnews you little sook*

*Not what I really think.

[Ctrl-Alt-Del]

Mom, Mon, can I have an lolly, Jimmy's got a lolly, it's not fair, I want a lolly too ?

[On The Pine]

Geeez you're a massive Drama Queen On the Pine - easily the biggest on this forum. I've got a wife and a dog that whinge and whine on par with you !! Fckn Drama Queen !!

What you aren't getting On the Pine is that your argument has logic: and logic doesn't belong on this forum.

Answer me this - how do you expect me to answer your post when its obviously too logical??? Don't you know I'm just going to attack you instead.

Stop Drama Queening on Footballnews you little sook*

*Not what I really think.

Hahaha, it is coming. What I don't get is if they think it is such a shite idea, why bother posting on it?

Edit: It's a shame that this post will be lost on those that can't be bothered going through the whole thread.

[Paleon Patros Germanos]

The other issue, one which I raised on the weekend when I bumped into a referee, was whether we have enough referees.

Thay may be an issue.

[On The Pine]

The other issue, one which I raised on the weekend when I bumped into a referee, was whether we have enough referees.

Thay may be an issue.

This could prove to be an issue, but I guess one school of thought is that club referees do league games so why should it pose too much of a problem in the cup?

The other way around it is to start the cup in Round 2 of the A's/B's cup when the number of fixtures have been cut in half (and there clearly would be enough refs floating about).

[Caretaker Coach]

The other issue, one which I raised on the weekend when I bumped into a referee, was whether we have enough referees.

Thay may be an issue.

As mentioned in the previous posts, C team league games are officiated by club volunteers, cup games would be no different, until maybe reach Q/F stages then look at official refs /refs assist.
As I said before, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this is not about anyone using this topic to have a go at each other- if you think you have valid points for not entering, dont enter, simple. I admire On The Pine's passion, he is probably getting annoyed because a few who dont agree with it, want to knock it as well,hey you get that in life when you try and come up with some thing new.

[The General]

One of the advantages of having this Cup - obviously, at least 2, out of the 3 teams, will play on the same day.
If your B's are drawn to play away, and your C's and A's are drawn to play at home, makes worthwhile set the pitch up and fire up the barbeque.
Have to gone to watch a few Div 1 A grade Cup games now, only catering they had was an esky selling drinks from the sidelines, because their B team was away said it wasnt worth setting up the barbeque.
Just adding my 5c of thought into it.

[Jay Walking]

Not that it matters any more but I'm personally against it.

The C Team is more about having a kick on a Sunday with mates and been able to remain involved at your club. Yes there are a few guys who are B's players coming back from injury or looking to find some form but I think 18 games is enough. Most clubs use C's to top up their Reserves club sides.

For all of you having a go at Rob, he does a lot for our C team and most of them are his mate. He is allowed his opinion and what he said is exactly right.

We have the most successful reserves team in the last 10 years and I can't even remember how many cups we've won in that time. Every single cup team for our B's except for one year, had 2-3 regular C team players in the squad.

Those who want to take it seriously and play in the cup, play B's.

What you don't get mate, and as Robbo misses too, is that whilst this may be true for your club it certainly is not indicative or reflective of many others. If you go back to my original post, the one that started this thread, you might note that I was asking for those that would be interested in being part of such a cup to indicate so that we can gauge how much support there is.

Whilst constructive comments either way are appreciated, such as questions of pitch availability in the "cons" for a cup, what is not appreciated is such a lack of disrespect and disdain for a lot of teams and individuals that help to keep most of our clubs running. Some of the suggestions that have been put forward as to why there should not be a cup are not logistical issues or concerns, they are derogatory remarks from a narcissistic breed with a superiority complex that need to pull their heads out of their butts and realise that even the first team football of division 1 is frowned upon by someone, somewhere. Do you hear blokes from Metrostars or Adelaide United coming on here and saying "It makes me sick that you amateurs glorify your low level football with a cup competition and what's more, you get to play on Hindmarsh!"

Furthermore, don't you get that by questioning the validity of a C team cup you are also sullying the legacy of your "most successful reserves team in the last 10 years" and the achievements in the cup that they have had? You know, because if they were "worth any salt" (Robbo, 30/9/13) they would be a part of the A team cup. You are right, he is allowed to have his own opinion, but when that opinion is moronic and full of hypocritical condescension don't be surprised when nobody wants to high five him.

If the cup competition gets off the ground and it doesn't work for the good folk at Ingle Farm, for one of a host of reasons, you are welcome not to nominate. I would hope that if such a time rolls around that the blokes in your C team are afforded the common decency and respect to make their own minds up on that.

I just don't think it really adds to the league, C teams struggle enough with availability and it leaves it open to clubs who have been knocked out in the A's and B's stacking their C's. I know this can happen in the B's but there is a massive gulf between B's and C's.

Not I don't get your point about me disagreeing about a C team comp sullying our reserves team. I've had a lot to do with our B's and C's prior so I know what its like to play and coach these teams. I know how they are administered and I know about running a second C team. I still don't think that a C team cup is a good idea given the very broad and in depth involvement I've had with C leagues.

My final reason is that the cup round is a good time to play C catch up games given these are the games postponed most often to ensure that the A's and B's go ahead.

I'm sure if a comp does occur, Ingle Farm's C's will do its utmost to win like it does with every competition.

PS, C teams don't decide if their club plays in the cup. So I really don't get your point when you say "the blokes in your C team are afforded the common decency and respect to make their own minds". Its up to the league, not the C's.

[The General]

I just don't think it really adds to the league, C teams struggle enough with availability and it leaves it open to clubs who have been knocked out in the A's and B's stacking their C's. I know this can happen in the B's but there is a massive gulf between B's and C's.

You will find that the Cup tied rule applies here as well - that wont be an issue ( if it goes ahead ).

[On The Pine]

Not that it matters any more but I'm personally against it.

The C Team is more about having a kick on a Sunday with mates and been able to remain involved at your club. Yes there are a few guys who are B's players coming back from injury or looking to find some form but I think 18 games is enough. Most clubs use C's to top up their Reserves club sides.

For all of you having a go at Rob, he does a lot for our C team and most of them are his mate. He is allowed his opinion and what he said is exactly right.

We have the most successful reserves team in the last 10 years and I can't even remember how many cups we've won in that time. Every single cup team for our B's except for one year, had 2-3 regular C team players in the squad.

Those who want to take it seriously and play in the cup, play B's.

What you don't get mate, and as Robbo misses too, is that whilst this may be true for your club it certainly is not indicative or reflective of many others. If you go back to my original post, the one that started this thread, you might note that I was asking for those that would be interested in being part of such a cup to indicate so that we can gauge how much support there is.

Whilst constructive comments either way are appreciated, such as questions of pitch availability in the "cons" for a cup, what is not appreciated is such a lack of disrespect and disdain for a lot of teams and individuals that help to keep most of our clubs running. Some of the suggestions that have been put forward as to why there should not be a cup are not logistical issues or concerns, they are derogatory remarks from a narcissistic breed with a superiority complex that need to pull their heads out of their butts and realise that even the first team football of division 1 is frowned upon by someone, somewhere. Do you hear blokes from Metrostars or Adelaide United coming on here and saying "It makes me sick that you amateurs glorify your low level football with a cup competition and what's more, you get to play on Hindmarsh!"

Furthermore, don't you get that by questioning the validity of a C team cup you are also sullying the legacy of your "most successful reserves team in the last 10 years" and the achievements in the cup that they have had? You know, because if they were "worth any salt" (Robbo, 30/9/13) they would be a part of the A team cup. You are right, he is allowed to have his own opinion, but when that opinion is moronic and full of hypocritical condescension don't be surprised when nobody wants to high five him.

If the cup competition gets off the ground and it doesn't work for the good folk at Ingle Farm, for one of a host of reasons, you are welcome not to nominate. I would hope that if such a time rolls around that the blokes in your C team are afforded the common decency and respect to make their own minds up on that.

I just don't think it really adds to the league, C teams struggle enough with availability and it leaves it open to clubs who have been knocked out in the A's and B's stacking their C's. I know this can happen in the B's but there is a massive gulf between B's and C's.

Not I don't get your point about me disagreeing about a C team comp sullying our reserves team. I've had a lot to do with our B's and C's prior so I know what its like to play and coach these teams. I know how they are administered and I know about running a second C team. I still don't think that a C team cup is a good idea given the very broad and in depth involvement I've had with C leagues.

My final reason is that the cup round is a good time to play C catch up games given these are the games postponed most often to ensure that the A's and B's go ahead.

I'm sure if a comp does occur, Ingle Farm's C's will do its utmost to win like it does with every competition.

PS, C teams don't decide if their club plays in the cup. So I really don't get your point when you say "the blokes in your C team are afforded the common decency and respect to make their own minds". Its up to the league, not the C's.

Finally some constructive comments as to why it shouldn't go ahead. I do agree with The General though that teams stacking their C's wouldn't be an issue because, such as with the B's, they would be tied to the highest tier they play in. I think the rules would have to stipulate that a C team is not eligible to enter if their A's and B's have both not entered their respective comps. There may be a few players eligible when their A and B teams get knocked out (while they were injured etc) and thus can play C's, but this would not be all that frequent one wouldn't think.

As for the comment about your B's, in your previous post you stated that you think what Robbo said is "exactly right". He was saying that if a C grader was "worth any salt" they should be pushing for the B or A grade squads. By extension shouldn't that mentality really apply to the B's too, that they should not get their own cup (as the non premier tier at a club) and if they were "worth their salt" should be in the A's squad? It is a totally contradictory line of thinking and subscription to the idea that C's shouldn't get their own cup because they should be pushing for higher grades really does question why anyone would care about their clubs proud B grade results (which obviously I don't agree with by the way).

As for my last comment, about affording your C grade players the opportunity to make their own minds up, I did write "should the competition go ahead". I am aware the players don't have the power to start their own cup competition without the league, that is not what I meant. But, should it go ahead, whether A, B or other non-playing club members/fans have an opinion on whether there should or shouldn't be a cup, or whether their club should or shouldn't enter, at the end of the day I think it should only be up to those players that it actually involves to make a decision.