If 7/4 rule came in?

ozzie owl · Post by **ozzie owl** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:41 pm

If the 7/4 rule came in , which of the big Euro leagues would suffer the most for quality?

I would think the EPL would take the biggest hit.

BTAC · Post by **BTAC** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:17 pm

EPL, without a doubt.

DOC · Post by **DOC** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:26 pm

lets look at the group of death in the champions league

ajax would be fine

city would struggle

dortmund may be weakened slightly with the poles and a serb being regular starters, no room to move

real would struggle with pepe, khedirha, ozil, benzema, higuin, ronaldo, marcelo etc all starting

if the 7/4 rule was in effect for this group ajax and dortmund would prob go through

pernunz · Post by **pernunz** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:18 pm

Ukraine might struggle with all their Brazilians

God is an Englishman · Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:26 pm

English football would be the greatest winner in all of this. Why a 7/4 rule, I want a 9/2 rule!

Facts and Stats · Post by **Facts and Stats** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:45 pm

pernunz wrote:Ukraine might struggle with all their Brazilians

I have never seen the Ukraine league players naked.

pernunz · Post by **pernunz** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:55 pm

But, it won't happen because it violates EU labor laws.

God is an Englishman · Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:19 pm

pernunz wrote:But, it won't happen because it violates EU labor laws.

the fuck the eu off, England wins again!

sephiroth · Post by **sephiroth** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:07 pm

Marc Bosman's lawyer just opened a new bank account.

Raich Carter · Post by **Raich Carter** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:55 am

NickyTanner wrote:
pernunz wrote:Ukraine might struggle with all their Brazilians
I have never seen the Ukraine league players naked.

ozzie owl · Post by **ozzie owl** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:03 pm

Juventus v Chelsea

Juventus: 7 Italian players in the starting eleven.

Chelsea : 2 English players in the starting eleven.

Blotto · Post by **Blotto** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:08 pm

I think you'd find if it ever came in under UEFA/FIFA ruling (which it won't) you'd have an unsanctioned European Super League break off...

God is an Englishman · Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:25 pm

Blotto wrote:I think you'd find if it ever came in under UEFA/FIFA ruling (which it won't) you'd have an unsanctioned European Super League break off...

Under my proposal this would not be a loop hole for any English club as it would be in the laws of the land.

ozzie owl · Post by **ozzie owl** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:17 pm

ozzie owl wrote:Juventus v Chelsea

Juventus: 7 Italian players in the starting eleven.

Chelsea : 2 English players in the starting eleven.

How many Chelsea academy players have stamped their mark on the big stage regularly in Abramovich era?

Litmanen · Post by **Litmanen** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:34 pm

ozzie owl wrote:Juventus v Chelsea

Juventus: 7 Italian players in the starting eleven.

Chelsea : 2 English players in the starting eleven.

You bought the Italian national side, if we're to buy the English national side, i suspect we'd be doing a bit worse than we are.

Jay Walking · Post by **Jay Walking** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:51 pm

God is an Englishman wrote:English football would be the greatest winner in all of this. Why a 7/4 rule, I want a 9/2 rule!

How so?

God is an Englishman · Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:56 pm

Jay Walking wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:English football would be the greatest winner in all of this. Why a 7/4 rule, I want a 9/2 rule!
How so?

Less foreigners would mean that clubs would have to develop more English youth. It could go back to the lower division clubs surviving by producing talent and the big clubs buying them creating a distribution of wealth.

If man u, chelsea, arsenal etc... had to have 9 Englishman on the pitch at all times how could it not improve English football?

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:57 pm

Litmanen wrote:
ozzie owl wrote:Juventus v Chelsea

Juventus: 7 Italian players in the starting eleven.

Chelsea : 2 English players in the starting eleven.

You bought the Italian national side, if we're to buy the English national side, i suspect we'd be doing a bit worse than we are.

Besides Buffon and Pirlo, the other six players Juve had in Italy's squad for the recent friendly with France either made their debut or became national team regulars while at Juventus. In the case of Barzagli he came back from international wilderness at Juve. So that assertion is well off the mark.

Fact is, 15 of the squad is Italian and four are home grown. Giovinco and Marrone have been at the club since before their 10th birthday, Marchisio and De Ceglie a little bit after that. Two of those are regulars in the XI.

Litmanen · Post by **Litmanen** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:10 pm

Juventino wrote:
Litmanen wrote:
ozzie owl wrote:Juventus v Chelsea

Juventus: 7 Italian players in the starting eleven.

Chelsea : 2 English players in the starting eleven.

You bought the Italian national side, if we're to buy the English national side, i suspect we'd be doing a bit worse than we are.
Besides Buffon and Pirlo, the other six players Juve had in Italy's squad for the recent friendly with France either made their debut or became national team regulars while at Juventus. In the case of Barzagli he came back from international wilderness at Juve. So that assertion is well off the mark.

Fact is, 15 of the squad is Italian and four are home grown. Giovinco and Marrone have been at the club since before their 10th birthday, Marchisio and De Ceglie a little bit after that. Two of those are regulars in the XI.

Sorry i meant "purchased" loosely.

What i should have said was you have most of the Italian team in your squad.

pernunz · Post by **pernunz** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:36 pm

God is an Englishman wrote:
Jay Walking wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:English football would be the greatest winner in all of this. Why a 7/4 rule, I want a 9/2 rule!
How so?

Less foreigners would mean that clubs would have to develop more English youth. It could go back to the lower division clubs surviving by producing talent and the big clubs buying them creating a distribution of wealth.

Not going to happen now with the EPPP coming in.

ozzie owl · Post by **ozzie owl** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:50 pm

Juventino wrote:
Litmanen wrote:
ozzie owl wrote:Juventus v Chelsea

Juventus: 7 Italian players in the starting eleven.

Chelsea : 2 English players in the starting eleven.

You bought the Italian national side, if we're to buy the English national side, i suspect we'd be doing a bit worse than we are.
Besides Buffon and Pirlo, the other six players Juve had in Italy's squad for the recent friendly with France either made their debut or became national team regulars while at Juventus. In the case of Barzagli he came back from international wilderness at Juve. So that assertion is well off the mark.

Fact is, 15 of the squad is Italian and four are home grown. Giovinco and Marrone have been at the club since before their 10th birthday, Marchisio and De Ceglie a little bit after that. Two of those are regulars in the XI.

Good to see I wish the EPL clubs had the same attitude to junior development.

God is an Englishman · Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:10 pm

pernunz wrote:Not going to happen now with the EPPP coming in.

it's not going to happen because of lots of reasons but the EPPP is only part of it. Still nothing to stop a player being developed by a lower division club and sold later down the track. eg. this deal would do nothing to stop cahill when he moved to everton from Millwall. Only going to affect non contracted players!

pernunz · Post by **pernunz** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:31 pm

No, but when the fees are negligible and not under scrutiny for UEFA Financial Fair Play, being able to pick up any 11 year old for £3,000, or any 16 year old for up anywhere from £12,500 - £40,000. Especially as you can buy up the best talent for up to £40,000 / pop, train them for two years, then sell them off once they are 18.

ozzie owl · Post by **ozzie owl** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:44 am

Man City v Real Madrid

Man City : 1 English player

Real: 4 Spaniards

Arsenal v Montpellier

Arsenal: 2 English players

Montpellier: 7 French players.

pernunz · Post by **pernunz** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:46 am

It's almost as if there's no correlation between number of home grown players and results

God is an Englishman · Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:42 am

pernunz wrote:No, but when the fees are negligible and not under scrutiny for UEFA Financial Fair Play, being able to pick up any 11 year old for £3,000, or any 16 year old for up anywhere from £12,500 - £40,000. Especially as you can buy up the best talent for up to £40,000 / pop, train them for two years, then sell them off once they are 18.

and the difference from now is..... FUCK ALL! How much do you think the tribunal gives for an 11 year old?

ozzie owl · Post by **ozzie owl** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:56 am

Barcelona's fabled La Masia academy scored another triumph on Sunday when the Liga giants fielded an entirely homegrown team during their 4-0 Liga victory against Levante.

History was made in the 14th minute when coach Tito Vilanova sent on Martin Montoya to replace the injured Dani Alves - completing a team full of La Masia products for the first time in the modern era.

Not even Vilanova's predecessor Pep Guardiola managed the feat, fielding a maximum of nine homegrown players at any time.

Brazilian substitute Adriano Correia broke the monopoly in the 75th minute, by which time Barca were four goals to the good.

Although every player was an academy product, that's not to say all were born within a stepover or two of the Camp Nou.

Lionel Messi hails, of course, from Argentina but moved to Barcelona aged 12. Pedro Rodriguez is from Tenerife, while Andres Iniesta's childhood home of Fuentealbilla is closer to Real Madrid's Santiago Bernabeu stadium than to Barcelona.

And three of last night's players flew the nest - costing Barca a fortune to re-sign them.

Gerard Pique (Manchester United), Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal) and Jordi Alba (Valencia) all spent time away from Barcelona, who paid a combined £40 million to bring them back under their wing.

Nevertheless, it is a remarkable feat in an increasingly cosmopolitan game. By contrast, the Chelsea team that played Manchester City on Sunday contained just one Englishman (Ashley Cole) and no products of the club's youth academy.

DOC · Post by **DOC** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:03 pm

ozzie owl wrote:Barcelona's fabled La Masia academy scored another triumph on Sunday when the Liga giants fielded an entirely homegrown team during their 4-0 Liga victory against Levante.

History was made in the 14th minute when coach Tito Vilanova sent on Martin Montoya to replace the injured Dani Alves - completing a team full of La Masia products for the first time in the modern era.

Not even Vilanova's predecessor Pep Guardiola managed the feat, fielding a maximum of nine homegrown players at any time.

Brazilian substitute Adriano Correia broke the monopoly in the 75th minute, by which time Barca were four goals to the good.

Although every player was an academy product, that's not to say all were born within a stepover or two of the Camp Nou.

Lionel Messi hails, of course, from Argentina but moved to Barcelona aged 12. Pedro Rodriguez is from Tenerife, while Andres Iniesta's childhood home of Fuentealbilla is closer to Real Madrid's Santiago Bernabeu stadium than to Barcelona.

And three of last night's players flew the nest - costing Barca a fortune to re-sign them.

Gerard Pique (Manchester United), Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal) and Jordi Alba (Valencia) all spent time away from Barcelona, who paid a combined £40 million to bring them back under their wing.

Nevertheless, it is a remarkable feat in an increasingly cosmopolitan game. By contrast, the Chelsea team that played Manchester City on Sunday contained just one Englishman (Ashley Cole) and no products of the club's youth academy.

would be good to see them start with a full catalan side

ozzie owl · Post by **ozzie owl** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:38 pm

DOC wrote:
ozzie owl wrote:Barcelona's fabled La Masia academy scored another triumph on Sunday when the Liga giants fielded an entirely homegrown team during their 4-0 Liga victory against Levante.

History was made in the 14th minute when coach Tito Vilanova sent on Martin Montoya to replace the injured Dani Alves - completing a team full of La Masia products for the first time in the modern era.

Not even Vilanova's predecessor Pep Guardiola managed the feat, fielding a maximum of nine homegrown players at any time.

Brazilian substitute Adriano Correia broke the monopoly in the 75th minute, by which time Barca were four goals to the good.

Although every player was an academy product, that's not to say all were born within a stepover or two of the Camp Nou.

Lionel Messi hails, of course, from Argentina but moved to Barcelona aged 12. Pedro Rodriguez is from Tenerife, while Andres Iniesta's childhood home of Fuentealbilla is closer to Real Madrid's Santiago Bernabeu stadium than to Barcelona.

And three of last night's players flew the nest - costing Barca a fortune to re-sign them.

Gerard Pique (Manchester United), Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal) and Jordi Alba (Valencia) all spent time away from Barcelona, who paid a combined £40 million to bring them back under their wing.

Nevertheless, it is a remarkable feat in an increasingly cosmopolitan game. By contrast, the Chelsea team that played Manchester City on Sunday contained just one Englishman (Ashley Cole) and no products of the club's youth academy.
would be good to see them start with a full catalan side

Would be good if EPL sides could try the same thing with their academies

God is an Englishman · Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:53 pm

ozzie owl wrote:
DOC wrote:would be good to see them start with a full catalan side
Would be good if EPL sides could try the same thing with their academies

why would an English side want to put a completely spanish side out?

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