Cup Round 1

[collyman]

I reckon that any team that forfeits in the cup should be automatically withdrawn from the next years cup draw. Its a dog act and is very revealing of a clubs culture and its players heart... Poor form.

[Uncle Cracker]

Why doesn't the league write to all the clubs and ask them if they want to play in the cup..... say call it the 'I Love Football Cup'.... or even better the 'I'm A Real Footballer Cup'? The others could join the 'Forfeit Cup'.... the winner is the last to pull out before KO! lol

Im think they did.

[bigdawg]

Rumour is that South Coast United was misprinted and it should have been printed as Westies.[/quote]


RESERVES Preliminary Cup Round 2012
Saturday 14th April / Sunday 15th April
Kick Off: 12.30 p.m.
(S) Murray Bridge 2 v Strathalbyn 5
Athelstone 1 v Mt Compass 2
(S) St Peters (2) 1 v Munno Para 10
Payneham Postel 5 v Adelaide University Blacks 3
(S) ACU Falcons 0 v San Marco 5
Asia Utd 1 v Plympton 2
(S) USC Lion 0 v Hazara 5
(S) Flinders (2) 1 v South Coast 2
(S) Greenock 2 v Tea Tree Gully 0
Aguila 2 v Blue Nile Eagles 0
Para Hills Lions 3 v One Tree Hill 2
Noarlunga 2 v Bye 0


How is South Coast out then, since they beat Flinders (2), 2-1 in the prelim round?[/quote]

Just a rumour I heard, dont know if there is any truth in it.[/quote]

South Coast A's had to forfeit due to only having 8 uninjured players eligible to play, beacuse the A grade forfeit the B grade are automatically out of the cup.

[gone]

What a bunch of moaners. There have always been plenty of forfeits in Round 1. Fining clubs for forfeiting is a shocker of an idea, topped only by the idea of deducting league points.

By the way I've heard that ARBE Reserves have forfeited to Stirling. Not sure why? They were drawn at home, its on Saturday not Sunday, and they are mid table in Div 2 v bottom of Div 1.

That's right Otto... lets just ignore the fact it happens and put up with it because it happens every year!

Or, maybe the league could look at ways of preventing sides from forfeiting and fix the issue!

I gave you the way to fix it earlier in this thread and was shouted down. Just give Div 1 teams a pass through to Round 2 instead of coming in at Round 1 and you won't get so many forfeits. Fixes the problem without forcing clubs to be humiliated 30-0, paying out dollars in fines which should be going into player facilities, or making a mockery out of the league by docking them league points.

(By the way my comment about ARBE Reserves was just a question, that has now been answered, not a moan. )

[Swannsong's Rejects]

Just give Div 1 teams a pass through to Round 2

Stupid idea.

[KING NUGGETT]

Agreed stupid idea a few Div.1 Clubs have been knocked out in the 1st Round, have t they Jay?

Its such bullsh*t when a Club pays its Association Fee's they are aware that there are 2 Competitions League & Cup then to pull out 2 days before is absolute crap! This needs to be looked at by the league & a stop put to this!

[gone]

Thanks for the reasoned responses. No one has said why it's a bad idea yet. Is the concept a stupid idea in the FA Cup too?

[swannsong]

Simple solution...next year make sure Cup Round 1 doesn't fall on Mother's Day....make it one week earlier....make Mother's Day a League Round.
Alternatively....everyone move to the Saturday Leagues

[Ernie Cooksey]

It's done in the FA Cup to because of the vast difference between the teams at the top of the Association and those at the bottom.
I don't think at our amateur level this is required.
I thought it was a bad idea because I don't think it fixes the problem. Whilst it has some merit, what is stopping forfeits happen after round 1? A deterrant of some form is needed in my opinion, that applies to clubs at all levels and through all stages of the cup.

[gone]

Much better. See how easy that was?

I think the differences in quality between a Sun Div 1 team and a Saturday 'C' team from Div 6 are just as bad as anything in the FA Cup, and I stand by the suggestion. I think it would make the Cup a better competition for everyone. Lower clubs can have a decent run (three games) and top Div sides doesn't get messed about by forfeits.

Sure, it may not fix the problem completely, but I think it would markedly reduce the number of forfeits. Teams that are much lower in quality would have two games to get knocked out before the possibility of meeting a Div 1 side.

You're right there is no guarantee that teams still wouldn't forfeit after Round 1 (or even before, if a Div 6 side drew a Div 2 side).

Perhaps a deterrent is needed, but I'm concerned at the ones suggested. Money is tight for all clubs and to crunch some poor struggling club (in player quality, player numbers and no doubt money) with a big fine seems a bad idea to me. Points deduction is just ridiculous, stuffing up the league to try and fix up the Cup.

I think the best suggestion so far (although I still think it's too much) is exclusion from the Cup the following year, but how do you tell the reasonable forfeits (injuries, absences) from the unacceptable ones?

[go ahead]

In the womens the premier league teams all got a bye through to round 2 of the cup competition. There doesn't seem to be any issues arising from that. Also, no issues with the womens teams (who yes have MOTHERS playing in the teams) with forfeiting due to mother's day. Is it because you guys need to get your last minute shopping done? Perhaps this is a reason for forfeits?!

[Aldy05]

Rumour is that South Coast United was misprinted and it should have been printed as Westies.

RESERVES Preliminary Cup Round 2012
Saturday 14th April / Sunday 15th April
Kick Off: 12.30 p.m.
(S) Murray Bridge 2 v Strathalbyn 5
Athelstone 1 v Mt Compass 2
(S) St Peters (2) 1 v Munno Para 10
Payneham Postel 5 v Adelaide University Blacks 3
(S) ACU Falcons 0 v San Marco 5
Asia Utd 1 v Plympton 2
(S) USC Lion 0 v Hazara 5
(S) Flinders (2) 1 v South Coast 2
(S) Greenock 2 v Tea Tree Gully 0
Aguila 2 v Blue Nile Eagles 0
Para Hills Lions 3 v One Tree Hill 2
Noarlunga 2 v Bye 0


How is South Coast out then, since they beat Flinders (2), 2-1 in the prelim round?[/quote]

Just a rumour I heard, dont know if there is any truth in it.[/quote]

South Coast A's had to forfeit due to only having 8 uninjured players eligible to play, beacuse the A grade forfeit the B grade are automatically out of the cup.[/quote]

Thanks for the clarification

[AnotherMilanFan]

Sometimes it has nothing to do with Mother's day or Easter or whatever excuses are thought up on this forum, and has to do with the fact that Saturday teams can't play Sunday teams because a majority of players are not available on Sunday's - Hence why they are playing on Saturday right?

Just a thought.

[Lucas Leiva]

Sometimes it has nothing to do with Mother's day or Easter or whatever excuses are thought up on this forum, and has to do with the fact that Saturday teams can't play Sunday teams because a majority of players are not available on Sunday's - Hence why they are playing on Saturday right?

Just a thought.

Funny how no one thought of that amongst the flying petals of mothers day rage

[gone]

If that's true for your club then why enter the Cup at all? What if you make it to the quarter finals before getting drawn against a Sunday team, would you still forfeit then?

[Clever Trevor]

while it does eliminate the novelty of the cup, why not have saturday teams on play saturday teams and sunday play sunday teams. then come quarter finals or whenever, the whinging teams are probably already knocked out and the home teams then play on their preferred day.

i would be also inclined to make it compulsory for clubs to play in the cup, and if they needed to pull out it is the reserves team that exits first. thus eliminates the need to withdraw both teams when you first pull out your A team.

[Steve#4]

Sometimes it has nothing to do with Mother's day or Easter or whatever excuses are thought up on this forum, and has to do with the fact that Saturday teams can't play Sunday teams because a majority of players are not available on Sunday's - Hence why they are playing on Saturday right?

Just a thought.

If you have 3 teams you should have least been able to get an A's side together....If anything forfeit the B's...

[AnotherMilanFan]

Sometimes it has nothing to do with Mother's day or Easter or whatever excuses are thought up on this forum, and has to do with the fact that Saturday teams can't play Sunday teams because a majority of players are not available on Sunday's - Hence why they are playing on Saturday right?

Just a thought.

If you have 3 teams you should have least been able to get an A's side together....If anything forfeit the B's...

Is there really a point to playing an A's side consisting of a couple A's, some ressies and some C-Grade players? Especially when the whole point is to test where you are compared to the best team in the competition.

At the end of the day - if we asked the other team if they could play us on the Saturday instead, would they have declined for the same reason? Like someone said before, it's a bit trickier than it seems for cross divisional cup games.

[Βόρειας Κύπρου]

if we asked the other team if they could play us on the Saturday instead, would they have declined for the same reason?

Not for the same reason. They would have declined because they drew the home tie.

[andyb]

if we asked the other team if they could play us on the Saturday instead, would they have declined for the same reason?

Not for the same reason. They would have declined because they drew the home tie.

+1

beauty of the cup! you play where and when the draw says so.... if you cant play, dont enter!

[Porky]

Just give Div 1 teams a pass through to Round 2

Stupid idea.

Bad idea......Munno Para (sun div 3) defeated Adelaide Villa (Sat Div 1) yesterday.....just goes to prove that there is nothing wrong with the draw...lower teams are capable of stepping up and from what I heard Munno Para really stepped up and were on top for large periods of the game and could of easily have scored 2 or 3 more

[Azzurri80]

The Cup is fine the way it is, let it be. If teams forfeit, poor form by them but lucky for the team who progresses as they do so without the risk of injuring some of their players which I have heard has happened already to some teams.

Better to take the forfeit and progress then to play a game you are confident in winning 10-0 and risk losing some key players for the season due to poor tackles from less experienced players. Especially true for teams that have a good chance of chasing promotion.

Take the forfeit and run I say.

[vertu1]

i don't mind the idea of giving a pass to the 1st division teams but i would do it differently and have 2 cup competitions

one for teams in div3 or higher
the other for div4 and lower

whilst there may be a once in a blue moon upset , in reality, lower division teams have to play in a cup competition that they have absolutely no realistic chance of winning
why not let them play in a cup that they can be competitive in and have a chance to actually win and at the same time not waste clubs time by playing grossly one sided contests.

[God is an Englishman]

i don't mind the idea of giving a pass to the 1st division teams but i would do it differently and have 2 cup competitions

one for teams in div3 or higher
the other for div4 and lower

whilst there may be a once in a blue moon upset , in reality, lower division teams have to play in a cup competition that they have absolutely no realistic chance of winning
why not let them play in a cup that they can be competitive in and have a chance to actually win and at the same time not waste clubs time by playing grossly one sided contests.

my old league in England had 3 cups, senior, imtermediate and junior.

Senior: Div 1,2 & 3
Intermediate: 3,4 & 5
Junior: 5,6 & 7

[andyb]

i don't mind the idea of giving a pass to the 1st division teams but i would do it differently and have 2 cup competitions

one for teams in div3 or higher
the other for div4 and lower

whilst there may be a once in a blue moon upset , in reality, lower division teams have to play in a cup competition that they have absolutely no realistic chance of winning
why not let them play in a cup that they can be competitive in and have a chance to actually win and at the same time not waste clubs time by playing grossly one sided contests.

this isnt the worst idea...... possible to include C teams this way too..... Im know the C team players at my club would love the chance to play in a cup.

[Smashed on Vino]

IMO.
Before the draw the league should get confirmation from all clubs that wish to compete in the Cup.
If a club is a confirmed starter and wants to forfeit, then they should be fined in the following way....
Confirmed Forfeit acknowledged by the league on Monday before the weekend cup round fined $100
Confirmed Forfeit acknowledged by the league on Wednesday before the weekend cup round fined $300
Confirmed Forfeit acknowledged by the league on Friday 3.00pm before the weekend cup round fined $500
Confirmed Forfeit acknowledged by the league after Friday 3.00pm before the weekend cup round fined $1000.

This will make the club firstly decide to enter the cup and secondly give them the incentive to play the game and not forfeit especially a late forfeit!

[Mr X]

Bring back the Consolation Cup that was around years ago, whereby all teams that play and lose in round 1, enter the consolation cup, if you forfeit round 1 your ineligible, have the final at Hindmarsh with the other finals at the expense of the Elizabeth & Districts game. The SAASL has plenty of $$ to offer some prizemoney to make it worth entering.

Swansong would have some history on this concept?

And I know there will be accusations of teams throwing their round 1 game for a better run in the "2nd" cup, however based on the weekends results there was only 1 or 2, Div 1 sides eliminated, and Im sure Adelaide Villa didnt 'chuck' the game aaginst Munno Para, and the other elimination was based on 2 Div 1 sides playing each other?

thoughts?

[Knight15]

Also known as the 'diddy cup'

We play Amateur Football for fun, teams in the lower Divisions can win their own league

Fuck me all this PC bullshit, we have no chance of winning so why bother wah, wah, wah - if my memory serves me didn't Grove win it from Division 4?

Love the cup, leave it as is, but punish forfeits

The way things are going with this PC and no-one is a 'loser' mentality, one day they will invent a game where you get points for missing

oh wait

[KING NUGGETT]

Also known as the 'diddy cup'

We play Amateur Football for fun, teams in the lower Divisions can win their own league

shiraz me all this PC Barossa Pearl, we have no chance of winning so why bother wah, wah, wah - if my memory serves me didn't Grove win it from Division 4?

Love the cup, leave it as is, but punish forfeits

The way things are going with this PC and no-one is a 'loser' mentality, one day they will invent a game where you get points for missing

oh wait

+1

[Pommy09]

Also known as the 'diddy cup'

We play Amateur Football for fun, teams in the lower Divisions can win their own league

shiraz me all this PC Barossa Pearl, we have no chance of winning so why bother wah, wah, wah - if my memory serves me didn't Grove win it from Division 4?

Love the cup, leave it as is, but punish forfeits

The way things are going with this PC and no-one is a 'loser' mentality, one day they will invent a game where you get points for missing

oh wait

now we know where the afl got its mentality from