Official rules question

[The Russian Submarine]

What about this one????

Player through on goals, in the penalty box, player shoots and in same action gets taken out by keeper without touching the ball and the shot goes wide. Penalty or Goal Kick

[Steve#4]

Penalty on that scenario I would have thought

[bapa]

Penalty on that scenario I would have thought

[Chade]

What about this one????

Player through on goals, in the penalty box, player shoots and in same action gets taken out by keeper without touching the ball and the shot goes wide. Penalty or Goal Kick

Yup, penalty. It'd be a direct free kick outside the area, if the player with the ball receives a late tackle like you've just described.

If the tackle prevented the shot from occurring/going in, it'd probably also be a red card - 'denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity'...

[pernunz]

[On the weekend there was a penalty, and a couple of Parafield Gardens players tried to stand next to the goal posts but off the pitch. This is not allowed, as they are deemed to be "on the pitch" inside the penalty area.

Should have both been booked for leaving the playing field without the referees permission.[/quote]

The referee's permission is not given when a player leaves the field to retrieve the ball, or take a corner, or when you slide over the touchline either. I simply explained the rules to the players and they obeyed them.

As for the above situation it would depend whether the ball went out of play before the foul was committed. Given the way you describe it it seems likely, but it's possible the ball went out of play before the infringement by the goalkeeper. You could always yellow/red card the goalkeeper for a late tackle/violent conduct and award a goalkick if the ball went out of play first.

[God is an Englishman]

You could still book the player (red if serious enough) but it's play on.

No, you need to stop play to book a player if play is not already stopped.

If you need to stop the game then it would be a drop ball wherever the ball was when the whistle was blown.

Unless the referee stops the play to book a player, in which it is an indirect free kick to the opposing team.

Nothing to stop you playing on and coming back for the booking when the ball is out of play.

[God is an Englishman]

what would be the decision in this situation-
attacking player slips the ball past out coming keeper who cant recover, attacking player realises the ball is going wide of the goal,with a defender chasing him down he manages to keep the ball in play but both him and the defender leave the field of play in their pursuit and before the attacking player is about to run back on the the field and tap the ball into an empty net the defending player fouls him before he re-enters the field of play.
what would the ref give as the foul is not committed in the penalty box?

GOOD ONE!

I would say that you can't give a penalty etc as the foul has not been committed inside the box, you cannot send off the defender because it's an offence not punishable by a DFK. You could still book the player (red if serious enough) but it's play on. If you need to stop the game then it would be a drop ball wherever the ball was when the whistle was blown.

However, would love to hear what a higher qualified ref has to say.

Spoke to a Level 1 ref who has confirmed this is the correct answer. However, he did say stop the game to book the player immediately and restart with a drop ball.

He also laughed at this because it's no convulted and unimaginable.

[Βόρειας Κύπρου]

If you need to stop the game then it would be a drop ball wherever the ball was when the whistle was blown.

Unless the referee stops the play to book a player, in which it is an indirect free kick to the opposing team.

Nothing to stop you playing on and coming back for the booking when the ball is out of play.

No, but then you won't need that drop ball.

[God is an Englishman]

Nothing to stop you playing on and coming back for the booking when the ball is out of play.

No, but then you won't need that drop ball.[/quote]


Hence, I said it would be "play on" and said IF you needed to stop the game.

[Holy Guacamole]

I think the question was answered based on that if, and it wouldn't be a drop ball. You'd restart play with an indirect free kick if you did stop play solely to book a player, not a drop ball.

[Chade]

I think the question was answered based on that if, and it wouldn't be a drop ball. You'd restart play with an indirect free kick if you did stop play solely to book a player, not a drop ball.

No, you wouldn't. "Solely to book a player" would have to be a non-playing cardable offence, e.g. dissent. If you stop the game where it isn't a foul and the ball hasn't gone out, it's a drop kick.

What the two teams decide on out of "sportsmanship" is a separate matter.

[God is an Englishman]

If you stop play just to caution a player then the restart is an IDFK, if you don't caution it's a drop ball.

[BlackBrian_7]

For those of you who are more beaureucratically (sp?) inclined, if you don't ask the ref to set the wall the correct distance are you obliged to wait until he has blown the whistle before you play on?

[Chade]

If you stop play just to caution a player then the restart is an IDFK, if you don't caution it's a drop ball.

Really? Is there an online reference for the rules that I can check this? Not doubting you (well, I am), but I'd like to re-read the rule/see the wording.

For those of you who are more beaureucratically (sp?) inclined, if you don't ask the ref to set the wall the correct distance are you obliged to wait until he has blown the whistle before you play on?

It's not based on setting the wall, it's based on whether he's told you not to play until he's blown the whistle as far as I know.

Not that referees set the wall the correct distance that often. Some would have trouble measuring a metre with a metre ruler.

[God is an Englishman]

If you stop play just to caution a player then the restart is an IDFK, if you don't caution it's a drop ball.

Really? Is there an online reference for the rules that I can check this? Not doubting you (well, I am), but I'd like to re-read the rule/see the wording.

For those of you who are more beaureucratically (sp?) inclined, if you don't ask the ref to set the wall the correct distance are you obliged to wait until he has blown the whistle before you play on?

It's not based on setting the wall, it's based on whether he's told you not to play until he's blown the whistle as far as I know.

Not that referees set the wall the correct distance that often. Some would have trouble measuring a metre with a metre ruler.

Technically you can take the kick at any time, however it the ref signals that you must wait for a whistle then you must do so.

Tierry Henry scored a goal like this a few years ago as did I a few years before that.

[BlackBrian_7]

If you stop play just to caution a player then the restart is an IDFK, if you don't caution it's a drop ball.

Really? Is there an online reference for the rules that I can check this? Not doubting you (well, I am), but I'd like to re-read the rule/see the wording.

For those of you who are more beaureucratically (sp?) inclined, if you don't ask the ref to set the wall the correct distance are you obliged to wait until he has blown the whistle before you play on?

It's not based on setting the wall, it's based on whether he's told you not to play until he's blown the whistle as far as I know.

Not that referees set the wall the correct distance that often. Some would have trouble measuring a metre with a metre ruler.

Technically you can take the kick at any time, however it the ref signals that you must wait for a whistle then you must do so.

Tierry Henry scored a goal like this a few years ago as did I a few years before that.

What is the signal?

[bapa]

For those of you who are more beaureucratically (sp?) inclined, if you don't ask the ref to set the wall the correct distance are you obliged to wait until he has blown the whistle before you play on?

It's not based on setting the wall, it's based on whether he's told you not to play until he's blown the whistle as far as I know.

Not that referees set the wall the correct distance that often. Some would have trouble measuring a metre with a metre ruler.

Technically you can take the kick at any time, however it the ref signals that you must wait for a whistle then you must do so.

Tierry Henry scored a goal like this a few years ago as did I a few years before that.

What is the signal?[/quote]


points the whistle at u and says, "wait for the whistle"!

[God is an Englishman]

or even simpler he say "wait for the whistle".

Some refs will let you take it quickly, in my case i told him that I wanted to and he said GO AHEAD. Other refs won't.

[BlackBrian_7]

or even simpler he say "wait for the whistle".

Some refs will let you take it quickly, in my case i told him that I wanted to and he said GO AHEAD. Other refs won't.

That's been my experience in the amateurs. Some refs will try and restrict you in doing so when the scoreline/game suits them.

[blackout]

If it becomes a "ceremonial free-kick", you have to wait for the whistle.

A good ref will remove any doubt about whether it is one by telling the taker to wait for the whistle (and pointing at it), and a good keeper will watch for this before they move to a post to line up the wall.

Basically, if the ref starts lining up the wall, or pacing out the 10 yards, it's become ceremonial. If you take it quicky then, the defence has a case to complain they were being distracted by the ref.

If you tell the ref you want to take it quickly, the ref won't start telling the wall what to do. If you leave it too long though, they will make it ceremonial.

[pernunz]

If it becomes a "ceremonial free-kick", you have to wait for the whistle.

A good ref will remove any doubt about whether it is one by telling the taker to wait for the whistle (and pointing at it), and a good keeper will watch for this before they move to a post to line up the wall.

Basically, if the ref starts lining up the wall, or pacing out the 10 yards, it's become ceremonial. If you take it quicky then, the defence has a case to complain they were being distracted by the ref.

If you tell the ref you want to take it quickly, the ref won't start telling the wall what to do. If you leave it too long though, they will make it ceremonial.

Was under the impression that the referee only had to move players back if the player taking the free kick requested the players move the 10 yards away. Obviously can still tell players to move away from where the FK will be taken, but the referee only has to measure the 10 yards if the players request it (Usually done by pointing at the wall, yelling "10 yards ref" etc.)

[BlackBrian_7]

If it becomes a "ceremonial free-kick", you have to wait for the whistle.

A good ref will remove any doubt about whether it is one by telling the taker to wait for the whistle (and pointing at it), and a good keeper will watch for this before they move to a post to line up the wall.

Basically, if the ref starts lining up the wall, or pacing out the 10 yards, it's become ceremonial. If you take it quicky then, the defence has a case to complain they were being distracted by the ref.

If you tell the ref you want to take it quickly, the ref won't start telling the wall what to do. If you leave it too long though, they will make it ceremonial.

Was under the impression that the referee only had to move players back if the player taking the free kick requested the players move the 10 yards away. Obviously can still tell players to move away from where the FK will be taken, but the referee only has to measure the 10 yards if the players request it (Usually done by pointing at the wall, yelling "10 yards ref" etc.)

That's what I have thought and have always played under until the last couple of years, was wondering if there has been a change in the interpretation dictated by the refs association.

[Βόρειας Κύπρου]

I think the question was answered based on that if, and it wouldn't be a drop ball. You'd restart play with an indirect free kick if you did stop play solely to book a player, not a drop ball.

No, you wouldn't. "Solely to book a player" would have to be a non-playing cardable offence, e.g. dissent. If you stop the game where it isn't a foul and the ball hasn't gone out, it's a drop kick.

What the two teams decide on out of "sportsmanship" is a separate matter.

As per Fifa's LOTG:

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[Chade]

There ya go, cool.

[Βόρειας Κύπρου]

Colossus can tell you that first hand.

[Chade]

Colossus can tell you that first hand.

Talking of re-starts, had a funny game about 3 years ago with a home team referee up at the Parks. Our goalkeeper clears the ball, referee blows the whistle. We all turn around, asking 'what for?', and they're making a sub.

I did try explaining that you can't make a substitute until the game stops (i.e. obviously, ball goes out of play, or the referee stops the game for another reason foul/card etc), and all he said was "yes, I stop the game, so sub can be made!"

Irrefutable logic.

[Βόρειας Κύπρου]

You think that's funny, I saw a Vipers referee do that in a game against Burundi a few years ago and the following season at a game the Vipers were away they complained about the home ref doing the same thing.

[God is an Englishman]

I watched a ref book a player the other week for headbutting a players fist. He then sent off a player because a home team players ran into him twice.