Clubs that charge players

[BPBC]

Look at the picture logically...
Season runs for about 7-8 months.....20-30 weeks (so 40-60 training sessions).
25 games per season including friendlies and cup games.
So all up players can utilize the club or club facilities 65-85 times a year...
If a club charges $130-$170 registration, then that is about $2 per session per player.
Remember also that $37 per player goes to the SAASL to cover league registration fees.
Wouldn't think that anything between $150-$250 would be unreasonable.
Some players would easily spend that much in one night down the local, but try to get it out of them for being part of the Club is often like extracting wisdom teeth !

Way too logical Swanny

[Steve#4]

Look at your last annual report from your treasurer, there are numerous costs in running a club, this is what I was referring to.

People volunteering their time, There are never enough so a minority end up donating the majority of time.

We also charge cost price(sometimes Less) for Merchandise as we want to see as many players in club colours as possible.

I'm aware of the costs mate, trust me. I just dont think players should be gauged at every possible to opportunity to cover these. If you do have a bar i can assure you if you look at your annual report you will see a large amount of revenue raised fom this, and this should more than cover running costs of the club. If you dont have this then i completely understand that you need to look into other ways of generating the running costs.

on your other 2 points i completely agree

We do have a bar but obviously do not compare revenue wise to yours....The committee puts most of the money across it anyway.

I think this may be the reason more established clubs can afford a cheaper Rego as such. If you include what is spent at the bar they end up paying more without really noticing it...

[4-4-2]

Also don't forget the cost of referees on match days, can easily accumulate to a substantial amount if you get official linesman also

[BPBC]

Look at your last annual report from your treasurer, there are numerous costs in running a club, this is what I was referring to.

People volunteering their time, There are never enough so a minority end up donating the majority of time.

We also charge cost price(sometimes Less) for Merchandise as we want to see as many players in club colours as possible.

I'm aware of the costs mate, trust me. I just dont think players should be gauged at every possible to opportunity to cover these. If you do have a bar i can assure you if you look at your annual report you will see a large amount of revenue raised fom this, and this should more than cover running costs of the club. If you dont have this then i completely understand that you need to look into other ways of generating the running costs.

on your other 2 points i completely agree

We do have a bar but obviously do not compare revenue wise to yours....The committee puts most of the money across it anyway.

I think this may be the reason more established clubs can afford a cheaper Rego as such. If you include what is spent at the bar they end up paying more without really noticing it...

haha hey if you drop your rego you may get some more drinkers down the club!

yep spot on, all swings and roundabouts really

[Steve#4]

haha hey if you drop your rego you may get some more drinkers down the club!

yep spot on, all swings and roundabouts really

Don't have the Doof music or charge $8 for a shot of Vodka.....Young fellas , what happened to the lure of cheap beers with your smelly team mates

[Robbo]

I think it depends on what facilities you have to offer events you do and what you give back to the club. We charge $250 which includes full kit which then goes back to the club at the end of year. Our club and change room facilties are the best i have seen in Div 2.

I think anywhere between $200-250 is great value for what most clubs provide. We supply Shorts, socks, cap and members key ring for players to keep. Jerseys supplied game day.

Anyone that complains about what clubs charge should do a stint on the committee for a season and see what's involved in keeping a club running.

Really $250 great Value?
I've been on a club committee recently and seen first hand, that player registration is a good way to milk additional funds from the players.

Terrible comment - you think club's are profiteering out of Rego fees ?? These clubs pay for everything from rent, to electricity, to fees, to insurance. You are completely misinformed if you think clubs are "milking players" - clubs try to keep costs as cheap as possible !! Clubs do well to survive !!!!

Consider these costs per player:

Registration of a Player: $40
Registration of a team: Approx $20 per player ($250 per team (I think?))
Insurance: Approx $40-50 per player
Referee Fees: Approx $65 per player(over a season)
Lighting Expense: I worked it out to be between $30-$60 per player ( a rough calculation based on our clubs 100% rise in the past year)

Then there are other ongoing costs such as balls, cones, nets, deep heat, medical needs, strips, shorts, washing expenses, coaches wages, trainer wages, line marking expenses.

I assure you based on $200-$250 it is a very reasonable amount for most clubs

[swannsong]

I've been on a club committee recently and seen first hand, that player registration is a good way to milk additional funds from the players.

Terrible comment - you think club's are profiteering out of Rego fees ?? These clubs pay for everything from rent, to electricity, to fees, to insurance. You are completely misinformed if you think clubs are "milking players" - clubs try to keep costs as cheap as possible !! Clubs do well to survive !!!!

Consider these costs per player:

Registration of a Player: $40
Registration of a team: Approx $20 per player ($250 per team (I think?))
Insurance: Approx $40-50 per player
Referee Fees: Approx $65 per player(over a season)
Lighting Expense: I worked it out to be between $30-$60 per player ( a rough calculation based on our clubs 100% rise in the past year)

Then there are other ongoing costs such as balls, cones, nets, deep heat, medical needs, strips, shorts, washing expenses, coaches wages, trainer wages, line marking expenses.

I assure you based on $200-$250 it is a very reasonable amount for most clubs

Amazing what some clubs will supply these days

[Steve#4]

Thought that would be part of the player pack down south Swanny

Great points Robbo.

[ryesmith]

Great to hear some of these comparisons. $300 was the going rate at Adelaide Titans this year and I believe it was more if you were new to the club (based on buying club apparel). This included the full kit and bag.

However, I really can't understand why this is so much when compared to a lot of other sports out there.

When you factor in the sponsors that these clubs can bring in, I would have thought that this would have subsidised the overall club fees as well...

[BPBC]

Terrible comment - you think club's are profiteering out of Rego fees ?? These clubs pay for everything from rent, to electricity, to fees, to insurance. You are completely misinformed if you think clubs are "milking players" - clubs try to keep costs as cheap as possible !! Clubs do well to survive !!!!

Consider these costs per player:

Registration of a Player: $40
Registration of a team: Approx $20 per player ($250 per team (I think?))
Insurance: Approx $40-50 per player
Referee Fees: Approx $65 per player(over a season)
Lighting Expense: I worked it out to be between $30-$60 per player ( a rough calculation based on our clubs 100% rise in the past year)

Then there are other ongoing costs such as balls, cones, nets, deep heat, medical needs, strips, shorts, washing expenses, coaches wages, trainer wages, line marking expenses.

I assure you based on $200-$250 it is a very reasonable amount for most clubs

Are you telling me the money Farm make over the bar, from sponsors etc does not cover all the things you listed there (and more!)?

[Robbo]

Terrible comment - you think club's are profiteering out of Rego fees ?? These clubs pay for everything from rent, to electricity, to fees, to insurance. You are completely misinformed if you think clubs are "milking players" - clubs try to keep costs as cheap as possible !! Clubs do well to survive !!!!

Consider these costs per player:

Registration of a Player: $40
Registration of a team: Approx $20 per player ($250 per team (I think?))
Insurance: Approx $40-50 per player
Referee Fees: Approx $65 per player(over a season)
Lighting Expense: I worked it out to be between $30-$60 per player ( a rough calculation based on our clubs 100% rise in the past year)

Then there are other ongoing costs such as balls, cones, nets, deep heat, medical needs, strips, shorts, washing expenses, coaches wages, trainer wages, line marking expenses.

I assure you based on $200-$250 it is a very reasonable amount for most clubs

Are you telling me the money Farm make over the bar, from sponsors etc does not cover all the things you listed there (and more!)?

maybe 10-20 years ago the club made a lot of money over the bar, with with Random Breath Testing more wide spread these days people can only have 2-3 drinks after training. You are living in the past if that's what you are thinking.

and for you lot banging on about sponsors - go and give it a try sometime, its very hard getting "cash" out of business in recent times... especially with the GFC. Sadly big organizations like Coles, Woolies, a lot of chain pubs arent interested in sponsoring any local clubs. They have shareholders interests to look after. Most sponsorship comes from club people in the club who can spare $1000 or so !!

Some of you blokes live in a friggin dreamworld

[andyb]

Terrible comment - you think club's are profiteering out of Rego fees ?? These clubs pay for everything from rent, to electricity, to fees, to insurance. You are completely misinformed if you think clubs are "milking players" - clubs try to keep costs as cheap as possible !! Clubs do well to survive !!!!

Consider these costs per player:

Registration of a Player: $40
Registration of a team: Approx $20 per player ($250 per team (I think?))
Insurance: Approx $40-50 per player
Referee Fees: Approx $65 per player(over a season)
Lighting Expense: I worked it out to be between $30-$60 per player ( a rough calculation based on our clubs 100% rise in the past year)

Then there are other ongoing costs such as balls, cones, nets, deep heat, medical needs, strips, shorts, washing expenses, coaches wages, trainer wages, line marking expenses.

I assure you based on $200-$250 it is a very reasonable amount for most clubs

Personally I would never pay this much to play amateur sport (of any type) - I cant justify this much money when I have paid less than $150 for cricket and football (soccer) every season for the last 12yrs. I have served on a committee before and have seen the running costs involved so I see your point about covering expenses but surely with good management and sponsorship (and yes sponsorship can be tough to get) clubs can charge less than $200-$250....

[swannsong]

Terrible comment - you think club's are profiteering out of Rego fees ?? These clubs pay for everything from rent, to electricity, to fees, to insurance. You are completely misinformed if you think clubs are "milking players" - clubs try to keep costs as cheap as possible !! Clubs do well to survive !!!!

Consider these costs per player:

Registration of a Player: $40
Registration of a team: Approx $20 per player ($250 per team (I think?))
Insurance: Approx $40-50 per player
Referee Fees: Approx $65 per player(over a season)
Lighting Expense: I worked it out to be between $30-$60 per player ( a rough calculation based on our clubs 100% rise in the past year)

Then there are other ongoing costs such as balls, cones, nets, deep heat, medical needs, strips, shorts, washing expenses, coaches wages, trainer wages, line marking expenses.

I assure you based on $200-$250 it is a very reasonable amount for most clubs

Personally I would never pay this much to play amateur sport (of any type) - I cant justify this much money when I have paid less than $150 for cricket and football (soccer) every season for the last 12yrs. I have served on a committee before and have seen the running costs involved so I see your point about covering expenses but surely with good management and sponsorship (and yes sponsorship can be tough to get) clubs can charge less than $200-$250....

Obviously you must be based at a club with a good solid income source ......$2 per session isn't much to ask

[BPBC]

Terrible comment - you think club's are profiteering out of Rego fees ?? These clubs pay for everything from rent, to electricity, to fees, to insurance. You are completely misinformed if you think clubs are "milking players" - clubs try to keep costs as cheap as possible !! Clubs do well to survive !!!!

Consider these costs per player:

Registration of a Player: $40
Registration of a team: Approx $20 per player ($250 per team (I think?))
Insurance: Approx $40-50 per player
Referee Fees: Approx $65 per player(over a season)
Lighting Expense: I worked it out to be between $30-$60 per player ( a rough calculation based on our clubs 100% rise in the past year)

Then there are other ongoing costs such as balls, cones, nets, deep heat, medical needs, strips, shorts, washing expenses, coaches wages, trainer wages, line marking expenses.

I assure you based on $200-$250 it is a very reasonable amount for most clubs

Are you telling me the money Farm make over the bar, from sponsors etc does not cover all the things you listed there (and more!)?

maybe 10-20 years ago the club made a lot of money over the bar, with with Random Breath Testing more wide spread these days people can only have 2-3 drinks after training. You are living in the past if that's what you are thinking.

and for you lot banging on about sponsors - go and give it a try sometime, its very hard getting "cash" out of business in recent times... especially with the GFC. Sadly big organizations like Coles, Woolies, a lot of chain pubs arent interested in sponsoring any local clubs. They have shareholders interests to look after. Most sponsorship comes from club people in the club who can spare $1000 or so !!

Some of you blokes live in a friggin dreamworld

dreamworld you may think, but its certainly not the case at all clubs. You have atleast 13 home games per year assuming you have minimal cup and pre season games, attended by sometimes over 100 people, and in your case in div 1, over a few hundred. Its not all training night bar takings and its not a requirement to beat the .05.

Put it this way, i'd rather my club made its profits out of a Farm supporter than our own players!

[Robbo]

yeh 9 home games mate, and we have to pay for a referee $100 for the 1st team, 2x lines man @ $35 - and thats just the 1st team

[swannsong]

dreamworld you may think, but its certainly not the case at all clubs. You have atleast 13 home games per year assuming you have minimal cup and pre season games, attended by sometimes over 100 people, and in your case in div 1, over a few hundred. Its not all training night bar takings and its not a requirement to beat the .05.

Put it this way, i'd rather my club made its profits out of a Farm supporter than our own players!

Southern Knights are an example of the situation many Clubs might be in....
Bar and canteen takings go toward running the whole complex (Southern Knights, Judo, Boxing, South Adelaide Panthers, Social events),,,
So no matter how many come along to watch...Southern Knights income does not change !
Club rego is $160 (take away SAASL rego 0f $37 = $123 per year) and we usually need to resort to $5 per game for players to break even each year...
Sponsorship covers, coaching fees, referees fees, ground/facilities costs, trainer costs (when we can find one), equipment, after game awards (beer)....

[KING NUGGETT]

WTF I can't believe people whinging at what they pay to play Football for a season, FK me get a job! It sounds like its between $200 & $300 on average to play at a SAASL Club, with most Clubs preseason it works out to about 30 weeks give or take. At top dollar $300per season that's $10 per week? what the FK!!!

Like I said get a job ???

[BPBC]

dreamworld you may think, but its certainly not the case at all clubs. You have atleast 13 home games per year assuming you have minimal cup and pre season games, attended by sometimes over 100 people, and in your case in div 1, over a few hundred. Its not all training night bar takings and its not a requirement to beat the .05.

Put it this way, i'd rather my club made its profits out of a Farm supporter than our own players!

Southern Knights are an example of the situation many Clubs might be in....
Bar and canteen takings go toward running the whole complex (Southern Knights, Judo, Boxing, South Adelaide Panthers, Social events),,,
So no matter how many come along to watch...Southern Knights income does not change !
Club rego is $160 (take away SAASL rego 0f $37 = $123 per year) and we usually need to resort to $5 per game for players to break even each year...
Sponsorship covers, coaching fees, referees fees, ground/facilities costs, trainer costs (when we can find one), equipment, after game awards (beer)....

Yep your situation is what i was trying to draw comparisons too. You charge that amount yet you dont have the luxury of game day and training night profits. However your costs are the same as any other club. Why therefore do you charge so little yet clubs who have the opportunity to make their own profits charge more?

[Steve#4]

In the end I doubt any club is making money out of registrations, clubs charge what will cover costs (once BBQ and bar is taken into consideration)and have some money in the bank for unexpected costs that pop up now and then.

Robbo is right though, sponsors are getting harder to find and players don't hang around and knock them back like they used to.

I will say though on Saturdays, it is our own players/club members that put the most money across the bar. There are 1 or 2 away clubs that are an exception and we would have these guys back every week if we could

[swannsong]

dreamworld you may think, but its certainly not the case at all clubs. You have atleast 13 home games per year assuming you have minimal cup and pre season games, attended by sometimes over 100 people, and in your case in div 1, over a few hundred. Its not all training night bar takings and its not a requirement to beat the .05.

Put it this way, i'd rather my club made its profits out of a Farm supporter than our own players!

Southern Knights are an example of the situation many Clubs might be in....
Bar and canteen takings go toward running the whole complex (Southern Knights, Judo, Boxing, South Adelaide Panthers, Social events),,,
So no matter how many come along to watch...Southern Knights income does not change !
Club rego is $160 (take away SAASL rego 0f $37 = $123 per year) and we usually need to resort to $5 per game for players to break even each year...
Sponsorship covers, coaching fees, referees fees, ground/facilities costs, trainer costs (when we can find one), equipment, after game awards (beer)....

Yep your situation is what i was trying to draw comparisons too. You charge that amount yet you dont have the luxury of game day and training night profits. However your costs are the same as any other club. Why therefore do you charge so little yet clubs who have the opportunity to make their own profits charge more?

Because you have competition and need to attract and retain players to keep a team on the park...when you have other clubs touting how little they charge....

[God is an Englishman]

Modbury Jets have put theirs up this year to a ridiculous $100.

Personally I'm thinking of leaving and moving to one of the cheaper clubs.

[Stitch This]

Yep your situation is what i was trying to draw comparisons too. You charge that amount yet you dont have the luxury of game day and training night profits. However your costs are the same as any other club. Why therefore do you charge so little yet clubs who have the opportunity to make their own profits charge more?

Last time I looked we are not living in a communist state - though no doubt Old Master would beg to differ - so each club is going to be run differently with different income/expenses/cash flows etc. Logic would dictate that those "clubs who have the opportunity to make their own profits charge more" generally would provide 'better' services to their members/ players - the only other logical explanation would be that the committee members are pocketing the difference - and you're surely not suggesting that?

[BPBC]

Yep your situation is what i was trying to draw comparisons too. You charge that amount yet you dont have the luxury of game day and training night profits. However your costs are the same as any other club. Why therefore do you charge so little yet clubs who have the opportunity to make their own profits charge more?

Last time I looked we are not living in a communist state - though no doubt Old Master would beg to differ - so each club is going to be run differently with different income/expenses/cash flows etc. Logic would dictate that those "clubs who have the opportunity to make their own profits charge more" generally would provide 'better' services to their members/ players - the only other logical explanation would be that the committee members are pocketing the difference - and you're surely not suggesting that?

Take it easy, why the hell would you think i'm sugesting that? I'm trying to gage reasons behind it, your right it may be that better services etc are offered, its a discussion and its not yet been shown, but if so it may be time for us to bump up our prices, maybe we're the ones in the wrong!

[Steve#4]

Last time I looked we are not living in a communist state - though no doubt Old Master would beg to differ - so each club is going to be run differently with different income/expenses/cash flows etc. Logic would dictate that those "clubs who have the opportunity to make their own profits charge more" generally would provide 'better' services to their members/ players - the only other logical explanation would be that the committee members are pocketing the difference - and you're surely not suggesting that?

Hmmmmmm, Our treasurer does have flash new boots this year...

[aussie pride]

Seriously, If there are people who feel 250-300 is too much for a season of football, i guess your diet would only consist of water and rice and are malnourished with no roof over your head. OR you are just FKN TIGHT ASSESS!!

[swannsong]

Seriously, If there are people who feel 250-300 is too much for a season of football, i guess your diet would only consist of water and rice and are malnourished with no roof over your head. OR you are just shiraz TIGHT ASSESS!!

Modbury Jets have put theirs up this year to a ridiculous $100.

Personally I'm thinking of leaving and moving to one of the cheaper clubs.

[God is an Englishman]

Seriously, If there are people who feel 250-300 is too much for a season of football, i guess your diet would only consist of water and rice and are malnourished with no roof over your head. OR you are just shiraz TIGHT ASSESS!!

Surely it depends on where the money is going. If it's to make profit for profits sake then yes I would have a problem. If it's to pay players then yes I would have a problem with it.

[aussie pride]

Seriously, If there are people who feel 250-300 is too much for a season of football, i guess your diet would only consist of water and rice and are malnourished with no roof over your head. OR you are just shiraz TIGHT ASSESS!!

Surely it depends on where the money is going. If it's to make profit for profits sake then yes I would have a problem. If it's to pay players then yes I would have a problem with it.

I agree with you. I can only speak for my club. Like i said, what ever the club makes it spent 100% back in the club. Its the only formula for success.

[vertu1]

Terrible comment - you think club's are profiteering out of Rego fees ?? These clubs pay for everything from rent, to electricity, to fees, to insurance. You are completely misinformed if you think clubs are "milking players" - clubs try to keep costs as cheap as possible !! Clubs do well to survive !!!!

Consider these costs per player:

Registration of a Player: $40
Registration of a team: Approx $20 per player ($250 per team (I think?))
Insurance: Approx $40-50 per player
Referee Fees: Approx $65 per player(over a season)
Lighting Expense: I worked it out to be between $30-$60 per player ( a rough calculation based on our clubs 100% rise in the past year)

Then there are other ongoing costs such as balls, cones, nets, deep heat, medical needs, strips, shorts, washing expenses, coaches wages, PLAYER'S WAGES ?- trainer wages, line marking expenses.

I assure you based on $200-$250 it is a very reasonable amount for most clubs[/quote]

[ryesmith]

Seriously, If there are people who feel 250-300 is too much for a season of football, i guess your diet would only consist of water and rice and are malnourished with no roof over your head. OR you are just shiraz TIGHT ASSESS!!

WTF I can't believe people whinging at what they pay to play Football for a season, FK me get a job! It sounds like its between $200 & $300 on average to play at a SAASL Club, with most Clubs preseason it works out to about 30 weeks give or take. At top dollar $300per season that's $10 per week? what the FK!!!

Like I said get a job ???

Lol. You muppets strike me as the first who'd complain about a tax increase so jumping on here and calling people tight arses is a little hypocritical don't you think? Rather than jumping on here and abusing forum members, why don't you grow the f*** up, and contribute some intelligent discussion to the debate in order to answer the question and/or improve the game? Both of you have seriously missed the point when it comes to club fees. But as I have learnt from watching people deal with knuckleheads like you guys is that it is a complete waste of time and nothing I say would have sunk in.

Back to the point...

A football club I played at charged $80 for a season (including the people at the club who put effort into giving players rub downs etc - something I have never witnessed in my time at an SAASL club). The cricket club I play at charged $120 for the season. Each club had the same approximate number of players also across the relevant grades. Why then, should an SAASL club be charging almost triple that amount?

I have since moved to another club which charges $100 less than the previous club and am getting a comparable environment. Is this influenced by clubs who have larger bars/affiliations with Premier/State league clubs? Would be interesting to see what others thought...