Bosna IN or OUT

[Steve#4]

Honestly it has to start with the clubs....It is all our responsibility to tell loud mouths that get out of hand to
pull their collective heads in. I know I have done it with our own supporters.

We should all be able to differentiate what is banter and what is verbal assault.

[pernunz]

F**ing male cow poo this..... How can we keep referee's intereste in the game when this is happening on a regular basis?? TheNot enough players for all the clubs, not enough refs..... Lets kick ANY team that assaults ANYONE during game day and it may go a small way to sorting these issues out.

so one player hits another player and the whole team should be kicked out of the league.

Thankfully this isn't a rule.

[KING NUGGETT]

Honestly it has to start with the clubs....It is all our responsibility to tell loud mouths that get out of hand to
pull their collective heads in. I know I have done it with our own supporters.

We should all be able to differentiate what is banter and what is verbal assault.

+1

[LosMerengues20]

What that has that got to do with Referees being assulted, because Passion is confused with Violence especially when its acepted as a way of life from some groups....

Your argument is irrelevant, yes there is passion between ethnic groups, I know as I'm of Greek background. But I have never seen an anger or frustration towards an opposition player taken out on a referee physically. Any moron can assault a referee, doesnt matter what ethnic background you are from.

[sirstevieg]

I really think the Amateur league needs to lay down some stricter rules towards the abuse & violence to referees sooner than later...

This is why Bosna need to pay a penalty for what happened put them down a Division & bring the next team up if they are going to stay in the League.

[Srbin]

What that has that got to do with Referees being assulted, because Passion is confused with Violence especially when its acepted as a way of life from some groups....

Yes your statement is racist.

Just because you say it's not doesn't mean it's not.

I played for Beograd against Croatia BESA and Bosna. All of which we have been at war with at some stage over the last 700 years.

At no stage did we have any trouble against these teams.

Stop generalizing you racist misinformed little person

[Los Del Eague]

Stop playing the racism card then ffs, what Nugget said is fair

[swannsong]

Have the teams that are multiple-offenders on a financial bond and a points deduction bond system... ie 9 point deduction for any problems !!!

[MegaBonus]

how will deducting points/dropping a division...

1 - punish an individual and/or a club which might not care what div it plays in???

and

2 - if its not about punishing...how will it change/rehab behaviour????

[swannsong]

how will deducting points/dropping a division...

1 - punish an individual and/or a club which might not care what div it plays in???

and

2 - if its not about punishing...how will it change/rehab behaviour????

On the off-chance it might instil into that club (assuming they are keen at being in the highest level possible) to control their own spectators and players.
The club should accept responsibility for banning or punishing individuals.
I am talking about repeat offenders, not necessarily a one-off....that has to be dealt with differently.
Step one....bonds/fines
Step two....remove from SAASL.

[Ubietz]

We played them today with no issues whatsoever. A's game is currently in progress and being played in good spirits.

[Kim Kallstrom]

We played them today with no issues whatsoever. A's game is currently in progress and being played in good spirits.

go figure

[predator]

no official ref for the A's today is not a good sign for the up and coming season

[Ubietz]

We played them today with no issues whatsoever. A's game is currently in progress and being played in good spirits.

go figure

Single malt spirits only.

[Shinny volley]

no official ref for the A's today is not a good sign for the up and coming season

was no official ref at Munno Para v Para Hills game either

[Robbo]

doesn't sound good if we have a shortage of referees - would not surprise me one little bit after last seasons shannanigans

really must impose more hefty penalties for clubs stepping out of line, its just not on, it will be the death of the SAASL if we cant get refs

[Redders]

no official ref for the A's today is not a good sign for the up and coming season

was no official ref at Munno Para v Para Hills game either

Ref didnt turn upto Sturt Marion vs PHE on Saturday either

[Caretaker Coach]

Honestly it has to start with the clubs....It is all our responsibility to tell loud mouths that get out of hand to
pull their collective heads in. I know I have done it with our own supporters.

We should all be able to differentiate what is banter and what is verbal assault.

Agree 100% All clubs should start with your own players/ supporters,having more discipline.
It is bad enough that less Referees are going into the clubrooms after the game, now not turning up for games as well, we all need to show these people more respect.
There use to be a time when Refs would always go into the clubrooms after the game and mingle with the people, be part of the post match social inter action.
It is getting out of hand and it is up to us, to take some individual responsibilty for our actions,not leave it all up to the referee.
Watching some pre season games, there have been times when spectators/subs have been quick to run onto the pitch, the minute a scuffle looks like breaking out ??? Those people need to be put in line straight away ! It has nothing to do with them,even if you maybe running on there to help out,you cause the situation to flare up. We have all copped a heavy challenge at some stage, and given a few as well, and you just accept it and get on with it - too many people, are too quick to retaliate.
We have such a diverse mixture of cultures now,unfortunately some of them dont understand that what happens on the field stays on the field, and is between only those on the field, or, they do know it, but just dont accept it- they should be told to go and play another sport, because they are not going to change, and we dont need them !
When the dust has settled, we should All be able to enjoy a drink afterwards, and look forward to next week - it all starts with Us

[Porky]

Wow, so club refs are going to be making decisions that affect A Grade results.........going to be an interesting year on footballnews

[TheWingBack]

Wow, so club refs are going to be making decisions that affect A Grade results.........going to be an interesting year on footballnews

If there is no official ref for an A team game, both teams must agree to using a club ref. If one of the teams wants an official ref the game is postponed and replayed later in the season.

Personally I'd err on postponing the game until an official ref is available and you circumvent a number of potential issues.

[KING NUGGETT]

I can't remember the last time that a referee didnt come into our Club after the game. We have had issue in the past were a supporter has abused a referee after the game however that supporter has been dealt with Harshly by our Club. Our supporters know that that sort of behaviour won't be tolerated by our Club & that there is concequences for there actions. If all Clubs took the same approach most Div.1 Clubs do we wouldn't have these regular incidences we are having ATM...
Come on people, it's a game! Like our players referees have good & bad games. No problem with controlled banter during the game, it's part of it. But let's try give these blokes a break & then we might not have Club Refs doing 1st Team..

[PASC]

Unbelievable...
I believe the League is pushing Sh@t up hill to eradicate this sort of behaviour, especially with all the ethnentisity of Clubs in our Association, Serbs v Albanians, Greeks v Italians ect. And I am generalizing with these examples. Not being Racist at all...

These are reasons why the FFA tried to eradicate ethnentisity from the State & National Leagues

you make a good point, i would however refrain from generalizing bcoz thats the part that will most often get taken out of context. especially by the ethnics.
In my opinion the two worst clubs to play against were maiwand and besa, thank god they are no longer in the comp, yes both ethnic based clubs. but i must say that another two clubs up north who are anglo/ australian were by far the most racist, now this was about 5 years ago and im not going to generalize or mention names, it went as far as us walking off the pitch bcoz we got hammered with racial slurs by their supporters and i did not see anyone trying to stop them or tell them to pull their heads in, it was all in. i remember trying to take a corner kick and had a bloke with a beer bottle in his hand standing right next me going ferral at the fact i was Polish...no one came over to tell him to shut up !!! point is some clubs being ethnic or not simply will not collectivly step up and turn on their own and this sort of thing will happen no matter what , u cant control other peoples actions...

[Caretaker Coach]

I can't remember the last time that a referee didnt come into our Club after the game. We have had issue in the past were a supporter has abused a referee after the game however that supporter has been dealt with Harshly by our Club. Our supporters know that that sort of behaviour won't be tolerated by our Club & that there is concequences for there actions. If all Clubs took the same approach most Div.1 Clubs do we wouldn't have these regular incidences we are having ATM...
Come on people, it's a game! Like our players referees have good & bad games. No problem with controlled banter during the game, it's part of it. But let's try give these blokes a break & then we might not have Club Refs doing 1st Team..

+1

[God is an Englishman]

Wow, so club refs are going to be making decisions that affect A Grade results.........going to be an interesting year on footballnews

If there is no official ref for an A team game, both teams must agree to using a club ref. If one of the teams wants an official ref the game is postponed and replayed later in the season.

Personally I'd err on postponing the game until an official ref is available and you circumvent a number of potential issues.

I actually thought an A grade game couldn't go ahead without an official ref, whether both teams agree or not.

Too much to go wrong with agreeing to it anyway eg. If your team loses, you can just refuse to sign the match form and there's no independent source to agree the game took place or what the score was. The losing team could claim that they agreed to play it as a friendly but not for points.

[Between the Sticks]

Unbelievable...
I believe the League is pushing Sh@t up hill to eradicate this sort of behaviour, especially with all the ethnentisity of Clubs in our Association, Serbs v Albanians, Greeks v Italians ect. And I am generalizing with these examples. Not being Racist at all...

These are reasons why the FFA tried to eradicate ethnentisity from the State & National Leagues

you make a good point, i would however refrain from generalizing bcoz thats the part that will most often get taken out of context. especially by the ethnics.
In my opinion the two worst clubs to play against were maiwand and besa, thank god they are no longer in the comp, yes both ethnic based clubs. but i must say that another two clubs up north who are anglo/ australian were by far the most racist, now this was about 5 years ago and im not going to generalize or mention names, it went as far as us walking off the pitch bcoz we got hammered with racial slurs by their supporters and i did not see anyone trying to stop them or tell them to pull their heads in, it was all in. i remember trying to take a corner kick and had a bloke with a beer bottle in his hand standing right next me going ferral at the fact i was Polish...no one came over to tell him to shut up !!! point is some clubs being ethnic or not simply will not collectivly step up and turn on their own and this sort of thing will happen no matter what , u cant control other peoples actions...

that last bit said it all...congratulations nuggets if you can deal with your spectators however all amateur leage pitches and grounds are public areas and no one can prevent an individual from being present or acting like a wank for that matter....no i dont have a solution but the clubs cannot stop these individuals being there...if it were players it would be a different thing but you should not vilify any club which genuinely provides the facilities for people to play the sport they love...

[PASC]

i think this should have been handled a lot better years ago when the likes of vlaznia and maiwand were kicked out the first time.....
Im not entirely sure what the disciplinary procedure is at the moment.
Is there a clearly defined list/guideline of consequences/punishment for violence/ref bashing etc ???

[penalty]

maybe no ref showed up because the leauge ond or refs did not get notified of he trial game.

[Big G]

no one can prevent an individual from being present or acting like a wank for that matter....

But is enough being done to discourage 'randoms' from causing trouble?

Sorry handyman, but last year when your game was called off with us, no one from your club stopped a number of members abusing the referee after he had asked for it to be toned down. Not going into details but fact.

Unfortunately it is mainly ethnic clubs at the centre of trouble, and slowly bringing the league down.

[KING NUGGETT]

no one can prevent an individual from being present or acting like a wank for that matter....

But is enough being done to discourage 'randoms' from causing trouble?

Sorry handyman, but last year when your game was called off with us, no one from your club stopped a number of members abusing the referee after he had asked for it to be toned down. Not going into details but fact.

Unfortunately it is mainly ethnic clubs at the centre of trouble, and slowly bringing the league down.

They didn't stop it because it was the Referees fault!

[You Too]

handy_man wrote:
no one can prevent an individual from being present or acting like a wank for that matter....

But is enough being done to discourage 'randoms' from causing trouble?

Listen to yourselves "randoms" give me a break, it is a complete kop out. Until you and your club start taking responsability for these "randoms" then it will just keep on happening.

Seriously when have you ever seen a group or individual turn up to an amateur soccer match, completely unknown to anyone who then just stands on the sidelines abusing the referee. It does not happen - A reality check please!!!!