Italian Investigations findings. (The Truth)

[Juventino]

That's a whole other issue.

Which is relevant. I thought AC and Juve were under investigation at the same time.

Haven't got time to go into depth on this issue right now, but it is to do with tv money relating to European competitions and that fact Galliani and Berlusconi have so much power.

- Juve’s involvement runs deeper than what is posted in the thread. Caterina Platea also confessed to seeing Montezemolo (Ferrari President and FIAT Director) present at Telecom meetings. The FIAT boys hated the triade and wanted them out definitively (without the possibility of them going to a competitor like Inter and Milan who both tried buying them). They obtained that by selling shares of Juventus to new buyers (hand picked) just prior to the scandal to minimize Moggi and Giraudo’s shareholder voting power. Financial evidence of this can be found in Juve’s financial statements. This lack of voting power forced Moggi and Giraudo to step down and Bettega was soon replaced as well. With the triade castrated, FIAT was finally able to take command of the team and obtain more funding for Ferrari through Telecom Italia sponsorship.

This too is a factor. The FIAT side did not like that Moggi and Giraudo had so much power within the club and wanted to take it back. Plus, you have Ferrari sponsored by Telecom, so there is a relationship there.

And then there was big talk when Agnelli became President he would bring Moggi back, so the Federation ensured Moggi would be banned for life.

[scipio africanus]

Investigated by people on the Inter payroll.

That's a big claim. Whats the evidence to support this?

evidence was supplied by Telecom Italia, company owned by inter co owner, Tronchetti Povera.

acting FIGC President at the time who insisted on the penalties, was (Santo) Guido Rossi, a inter board member.

serious conflict of interest or what and considering that the wire taps that involved inter were not disclosed at the time (there were 171,000 tapped calls not presented and no one can explain why), you have to look at the people who had first access to the evidence and the person who ran the whole farce.

[Hawkseys Double]

Investigated by people on the Inter payroll.

That's a big claim. Whats the evidence to support this?

evidence was supplied by Telecom Italia, company owned by inter co owner, Tronchetti Povera.

acting FIGC President at the time who insisted on the penalties, was (Santo) Guido Rossi, a inter board member.

serious conflict of interest or what and considering that the wire taps that involved inter were not disclosed at the time (there were 171,000 tapped calls not presented and no one can explain why), you have to look at the people who had first access to the evidence and the person who ran the whole farce.

I was provided with that earlier. If the evidence is so strong, will Inter pay for it?

[scipio africanus]

Right so, a Inter sympathiser was voted in. HOWEVER, Juve were still guilty of the crimes (or some) of what they were accused of? And their case differed in the sense that they threatened people, rather than instructed them?

I don't really believe that for a moment, I believe Juve are guilty, however! I'm sure AC didn't just simply "instruct" people how to enforce the rules of the game. Either that, or the cash was enough.

i'm not trying to say that we are completley innocent, rules are in place. BUT the rules we broke do not justify us getting stripped of our Scudetto's and demoted to Serie B, when others involved broke different sections of the rules in place which deserve greater punishment.

The things we have been found guilty for do not warrant demotion and the rules broken by other clubs do, simple as that!

No offence, but your actions assisted with winning the title. You twisted arms to make sure you got the results you needed. To me, you didn't win the titles fairly, and therefore being stripped of the titles is fair. However, I completely agree, those other teams deserved to be with you. I can't understand why you lot took the full brunt.

Yids, Juve were only ever charged and convicted of Article 1 breaches, which constitutes sporting mismedeamnours, unlike Inter who would have faced Article 6 breaches of Sporting Fraud.

Article 1 breaches only carry minor points penalty but Guido Rossi saw fit to over ride this and impose not only points penalty, but relegation and stripping of two titles.

Moggi has been to the criminal courts 4 times since the farcical kangaroo court presied by Interisti over various charges arising for corruption. He is currently in his fourth and final trial, having been acquitted in the first 3 by a proper court of law.

So far, the courts have proven that alledged incidents like Moggi giving Maserati's as gifts, Moggi locking in ref's to their change rooms, Moggi organising opposition players to get booked and suspended were all untrue.

the original verdict handed down by Rossi was after a 3 week 'investigation'. 5 years on, Moggi is one court case away of being acquitted of all charges.

[scipio africanus]

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I was provided with that earlier. If the evidence is so strong, will Inter pay for it?[/quote]

The 171,000 missing wire taps which incriminated Inter were found only after Moggi's defense team obtained a court order for his fourth and final trial just over a year ago. Juve then appealed to the Federation with the new evidence.

Unfortunately, the investigation took over 12 months and apparently, has now passed ths statute of limitations of 5 years in Italy, which surely the FIGC knew, but sat on this until the time expired, otherwise they would be faced with relegating Inter and then face massive compo claims from all the clubs penalised.

Unless Inter waive the statute of limitations and ask to be proven innocent my understanding is all that the FIGC can do is strip them of the cardboard 2006 title. Juve though do have other legal recourse to claims damages I understand.

Whole thing has been a farce. Match fixing was never proven and Juve made a scapegoat for a system that majority of clubs were partaking in, and one which the Federation at the time actually encouraged.

[Hawkseys Double]

All of them should be punished in my opinion. Juve served theirs, time for Inter to pay the price.

[makaveli]

All of them should be punished in my opinion. Juve served theirs, time for Inter to pay the price.

Nothing would make me happier, although i dont see it happening if this 5 year policy is true.
which is complete bullshit!!!
Funny how this all came out (but what we knew all along) almost exactly 5 years to when it began.

[Juventino]

All of them should be punished in my opinion. Juve served theirs, time for Inter to pay the price.

Nothing would make me happier, although i dont see it happening if this 5 year policy is true.
which is complete Barossa Pearl!!!
Funny how this all came out (but what we knew all along) almost exactly 5 years to when it began.

On that, I quote http://inbedwithmaradona.com/journal/20 ... mbers.html

Italy’s Statute of Limitations states that the maximum time after an event that legal proceedings can be initiated is five years and this has been seized upon by Moggi and conspiracy theorists as 'proof' that Inter will never be punished for their actions. Yet here is where the line between criminal law and sporting justice must be made clear.

While a criminal court cannot consider these latest findings, the FIGC are not bound by these limits, only by its own rules and regulations. Article 39 of the same Code of Sporting Justice states that the FA 'is allowed to challenge and review any ruling made at any point in time'

[scipio africanus]

All of them should be punished in my opinion. Juve served theirs, time for Inter to pay the price.

Nothing would make me happier, although i dont see it happening if this 5 year policy is true.
which is complete Barossa Pearl!!!
Funny how this all came out (but what we knew all along) almost exactly 5 years to when it began.

On that, I quote http://inbedwithmaradona.com/journal/20 ... mbers.html

Italy’s Statute of Limitations states that the maximum time after an event that legal proceedings can be initiated is five years and this has been seized upon by Moggi and conspiracy theorists as 'proof' that Inter will never be punished for their actions. Yet here is where the line between criminal law and sporting justice must be made clear.

While a criminal court cannot consider these latest findings, the FIGC are not bound by these limits, only by its own rules and regulations. Article 39 of the same Code of Sporting Justice states that the FA 'is allowed to challenge and review any ruling made at any point in time'

some time in serie B would be quite humbling (and just) for the Perdenti

[Hawkseys Double]

I don't know what Perdenti means, so I'll just call them geezers. Cool?