New Direction Required - according to Fozzie

[SILENT P]

I can see where Zelko is coming from but what about the club? Shouldn't the coach be picking the best players at that time for the club's sake?

[mooroffside]

Johnny

I haven't done the coaching course here in Australia, but I have seen the course material and its not that bad. It seems to me that the course material it is based on the vision of the Football Framework document. So it's been put into place already, so how do you think its progressing.

Heres my view.

The course material is decent enough, the focus on fun, developing kids, safety etc. The problem I have with it, is that it's carried out over 2 days, how can all this be conveyed over 2 days. It would take two days to fully explore the course material in a classroom, never mind having pratical demonstrations and exams. So are they truly believing in this vision of wanting to develope the kids,coaches and the game. Or are they merely paying lip service to the developement of all, by having a decent course but delivering it half cocked.

I coached kids before I attended a course and I relied on what I had done as a player. I couldn't understand why this 8 year couldn't comprehend what I was doing with them. I mean I had 30 odd years of watching and playing soccer, I knew my stuff didn't I? It was on my course that was delivered by genuinely passionate knowledgable footballing people, that I realised that I was completely in the wrong, and I had failed my players as a coach. My course lasted over 6 wekends and a few night classes, this gives you a long time to absorb the intentions of the course. I'm not saying all coaches took this message on board, but at least the majority did. I'm afraid the 2 day courses here appear to be a case of in, ticketed out in the fastest possible time, thus failing to get the message over.

So until they actually look at the coaching courses, it's content and delivery, nothing much will change.

[johnydep]

Your talking about the Junior Licence, this is merely an introduction and direction course.

For the serious coach there are other courses and licences, which the clubs and FFSA should be pushing. Saying that though, I've seen people with Senior Licences coaching juniors that should be banned from having anything to do with kids.

I'm presuming that each licence/course has been designed for the needs of our busy modern society, not everyone can go off and do a 6 or 8 week course, especially volunteers.

Compulsory coaches forums could be a start to improving things in the coaching world. Have a say here; http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/Com ... m&id=19756

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C CERTIFICATE AIS, CANBERRA NOVEMBER 24 – DECEMBER 9
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It is for coaches who hold the AFC C and B Licence Awards. Only those recommended by the Instructors shall be considered. It will be a full-time residential course.

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The coaches will also be exposed to the demands of high-level performance through understanding of the physiological and psychological needs of the players.

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At the end of the season, the coach is to submit the logbook to the National Association concerned.
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[Željko Jurin]

I can see where Zelko is coming from but what about the club? Shouldn't the coach be picking the best players at that time for the club's sake?

At u/8's, u/9's, u/10's ????? Come on fella's, lets give the kids a chance !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Missing Post Count]

I can see where Zelko is coming from but what about the club? Shouldn't the coach be picking the best players at that time for the club's sake?

At u/8's, u/9's, u/10's ????? Come on fella's, lets give the kids a chance !!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree. Kids have the right to kick a ball and develop, and by giving more a chance you just might be surprised what you find.

[SILENT P]

Sorry Zeljko, I agree for that age limit but when you get to the 14 age, surely you have the pick the best players at the time for the clubs sake!

[Mr Right]

Zeljko,

Firstly, if you are not going to replace any of your players then why put them through the trauma of a trial in the first place, especially at such a young age? It is also misleading and giving false hope to anyone outside the team who turns up to trial.

Secondly, if you are playing Under 8, 9 or 10 (who play 9-a-side) and you have 10 new players turn up, why not form a second team and not have the 10 new players be told they have not made the team. What did you tell the new players was the reason for not making the team?

[Željko Jurin]

Mr Right, you are assuming all the players from last year are coming back??(which I think they are) And I havent said anything yet because trials are still happening. But at this young age, its usually kids that havent played before, so the trial 'process' should work itself out.

I think we all have different opinions, who is right or wrong, who really knows ?????????

Silent P, I agree, at around u14 up OK, because in my world, thats when proper competions would start

An example I have, I only heard today. 2 boys at a Super league club have played the last 2 years u/8 for the same team, now have had their u/9 trials at the same club. They both have been "cut". The club has taken "better" players. Why, to WIN at u/9s ??????
How do these 2 boys feel, at 8 yo, after being part of the same team for 2 years, now "see you later" !!!!!!!
Shouldnt the club take some responsibilty in not being able to develop them good enough in these 2 years ????? At such a young age, 2 years experience SHOULD be huge, they should be capable enough !!!! Or werent they taught properly, and now it's their fault they are not "good enough" ??????

[BULLDOG]

I think its rather simple, if the coaches at junior level work on the basics ie ball control, passing, using both feet, vision, positional disapline and so on then the team will be playing a standard of football that will naturally win games.
I believe that winning and losing games is very important, you need to know how to deal with both as part of a players delevopement.
The way the game people think should be played will change from year to year i recon, when a team or country appears to do things better or different then everyone else jumps on board and will want to try and catch up.
If all teams arround the world played the same type of football wouldn't the game become boring??????

[fossil]

An example I have, I only heard today. 2 boys at a Super league club have played the last 2 years u/8 for the same team, now have had their u/9 trials at the same club. They both have been "cut". The club has taken "better" players. Why, to WIN at u/9s ??????
How do these 2 boys feel, at 8 yo, after being part of the same team for 2 years, now "see you later" !!!!!!!
Shouldnt the club take some responsibilty in not being able to develop them good enough in these 2 years ????? At such a young age, 2 years experience SHOULD be huge, they should be capable enough !!!! Or werent they taught properly, and now it's their fault they are not "good enough" ??????[/quote]

Should this club not be asking what the hell did the coach do for 2 years, allow the kids to run around and do nothing of true benefit to the kids.
the club commitee might also ask who or what gives them as a club the right to fail to provide a structure that can help a childs development.

Coach how do you measure what you do, results probably yes, try this if you use your charges as a measure if everyone wants the kids if they choose to move club you have succeded so simply ask them to trial somewhere else and you will have your answer from someone elses eyes and knowledge and if they want them to stay your right and if not start working harder so they do before they make 10.

[BULLDOG]

Now i don't want to turn this into a "federation bashing" topic, but i'm sure we've all heard stories of kids who have been axed from fed clubs after playing there for some time. Or fed clubs avertising for players, holding trials, and selecting the same squad they had last season with perhaps a couple of new signings, which is all well and good but if a club is looking to fill one spot say a defender then why drag 40 players out to trial when the club knows that most are waisting their time.

[johnydep]

Now i don't want to turn this into a "federation bashing" topic, but i'm sure we've all heard stories of kids who have been axed from fed clubs after playing there for some time. Or fed clubs avertising for players, holding trials, and selecting the same squad they had last season with perhaps a couple of new signings, which is all well and good but if a club is looking to fill one spot say a defender then why drag 40 players out to trial when the club knows that most are waisting their time.

And why shouldn't every one have a fair go?

I don't want to offend but your comment is not a very smart one.

At junior level you can't advertise for defenders, some kids may play a midfield position but make a great full back. The coach might come across a magnificent striker for the team.

Parents and players shouldn't think of it as a waste of time, it should be grasped as a great experience; experiencing a different coach, players, club, networking, etc.

[fossil]

Now i don't want to turn this into a "federation bashing" topic, but i'm sure we've all heard stories of kids who have been axed from fed clubs after playing there for some time. Or fed clubs avertising for players, holding trials, and selecting the same squad they had last season with perhaps a couple of new signings, which is all well and good but if a club is looking to fill one spot say a defender then why drag 40 players out to trial when the club knows that most are waisting their time.

And why shouldn't every one have a fair go?

I don't want to offend but your comment is not a very smart one.

At junior level you can't advertise for defenders, some kids may play a midfield position but make a great full back. The coach might come across a magnificent striker for the team.

Parents and players shouldn't think of it as a waste of time, it should be grasped as a great experience; experiencing a different coach, players, club, networking, etc.

Experience exactly and a very good measuring point for the child, nothing better than a child trying a couple of clubs to see if they cut it and the best bit is if viewed correctly they the child can decide on who he wishes to go with.
As for the original coach you know if someone (coach) wants to take players you've trained then you have succeeded in making a player of value