Expensive error for Everton

[Old Master]

Jack Rodwell a winner but Everton still lose out

By PHIL THOMAS

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EVERTON were last night still counting the cost of the red-card clanger which wrecked the Merseyside derby.

An FA appeals commission overturned Jack Rodwell's sending-off for his tackle on Luis Suarez in Saturday's 2-0 Goodison defeat.

Yet referee Martin Atkinson's blunder could ultimately cost Everton millions. At the time of Rodwell's dismissal, the score was still 0-0.

Chief executive Rob Elstone said: "We don't know if the decision cost us one or three points. But at nearly £1million a place in Premier League prize money, it could prove a really expensive mistake."

[Bomber]

My heart bleeds

[Chade]

Chief executive Rob Elstone said: "We don't know if the decision cost us one or three points. But at nearly £1million a place in Premier League prize money, it could prove a really expensive mistake."

That's a pretty stupid thing to bring up. As if it doesn't all balance out in the end - except in favour of Man Utd, City, Chelsea et al. You know, the ones with the most expensive lawyers.

[Nice One Cyril]

You can't deny what he says is true, but the refs don't do it on purpose and it's always been part of football. So long as the referees are held accountable for their decisions, I don't see the problem.

However, I really wish they'd take action against players trying to referee the game. Players waving imaginary cards, exhorting the referee to issue a card, should be booked immediately without warning, before dealing with the player who actually committed the foul.

[The Kop]

'kinell must of missed the bit where Atkinson blew full-time at the 23rd minute and awarded 0-2 to the away team.

Bitters indeed....

[ronaldo07]

You can't deny what he says is true, but the refs don't do it on purpose and it's always been part of football. So long as the referees are held accountable for their decisions, I don't see the problem.

However, I really wish they'd take action against players trying to referee the game. Players waving imaginary cards, exhorting the referee to issue a card, should be booked immediately without warning, before dealing with the player who actually committed the foul.

Im sure Lucas will be unhappy to hear that !!

[Nice One Cyril]

You can't deny what he says is true, but the refs don't do it on purpose and it's always been part of football. So long as the referees are held accountable for their decisions, I don't see the problem.

However, I really wish they'd take action against players trying to referee the game. Players waving imaginary cards, exhorting the referee to issue a card, should be booked immediately without warning, before dealing with the player who actually committed the foul.

Im sure Lucas will be unhappy to hear that !!

And John Terry, Rio Ferdinand and plenty of others.

[Outlaw 2.0]

'kinell must of missed the bit where Atkinson blew full-time at the 23rd minute and awarded 0-2 to the away team.

Bitters indeed....

Let's be honest here it is very difficult to play majority of a match 1 man down (keep in mind he was later deemed innocent). So Everton were disadvantaged for most of the match to quite a hefty extent. What he is saying is if at the end of the season they finish 9th instead of 8th because of a point it will cost them quite a bit of money.

I however am a believer of the "evening itself out" process, and have been for many years. At the end of the day as said on here referees do not do it on purpose and sometimes make mistakes but thats what makes this game so much different to most others.

[The Kop]

Your spot on with the second part. It's all swings and roundabouts.

There's a negative correlation between retaining possession and the amount of red cards, penalties and free kicks you conceed. Any team that plays Everton's standard 4-6-0 (1) style will be on the end of more "questionable" decisions than ones that keep the ball.

Sunderland were lucky to remain with 10men at Anfield and Stoke were very fortunate to be awarded a penalty.
If we miss CL by 3 points then we should sue the refs association for 25m.....

In 09/10 Liverpool finished 7th, 1pt behind Aston Villa with much better goal difference. That 1 spot cost merit payment and TV distribution co-payment for the following season, all in all about 3-4million. Beachball at Stadium of Light anyone?!?!?


This is why they're the Bitters. They think these issues are localised exclusively to them and everyone else is to blame.

[Outlaw 2.0]

Your spot on with the second part. It's all swings and roundabouts.

There's a negative correlation between retaining possession and the amount of red cards, penalties and free kicks you conceed. Any team that plays Everton's standard 4-6-0 (1) style will be on the end of more "questionable" decisions than ones that keep the ball.

Sunderland were lucky to remain with 10men at Anfield and Stoke were very fortunate to be awarded a penalty.
If we miss CL by 3 points then we should sue the refs association for 25m.....

In 09/10 Liverpool finished 7th, 1pt behind Aston Villa with much better goal difference. That 1 spot cost merit payment and TV distribution co-payment for the following season, all in all about 3-4million. Beachball at Stadium of Light anyone?!?!?


This is why they're the Bitters. They think these issues are localised exclusively to them and everyone else is to blame.

I support a team nicknamed "The Black Cats", I will take all the lucky calls that come my way and have learned to live with. . . . well let's just call them "bad decisions". Still don't see what your problem is with the beach ball, we didn't throw it

[Bomber]

Your spot on with the second part. It's all swings and roundabouts.

There's a negative correlation between retaining possession and the amount of red cards, penalties and free kicks you conceed. Any team that plays Everton's standard 4-6-0 (1) style will be on the end of more "questionable" decisions than ones that keep the ball.

Sunderland were lucky to remain with 10men at Anfield and Stoke were very fortunate to be awarded a penalty.
If we miss CL by 3 points then we should sue the refs association for 25m.....

In 09/10 Liverpool finished 7th, 1pt behind Aston Villa with much better goal difference. That 1 spot cost merit payment and TV distribution co-payment for the following season, all in all about 3-4million. Beachball at Stadium of Light anyone?!?!?


This is why they're the Bitters. They think these issues are localised exclusively to them and everyone else is to blame.

I support a team nicknamed "The Black Cats", I will take all the lucky calls that come my way and have learned to live with. . . . well let's just call them "bad decisions". Still don't see what your problem is with the beach ball, we didn't throw it

No, that was just a blatant disregard for the LOTG.

[10]

if he wasn't sent off Fellaini or Hibbert would have been.. ref got scared after the soft sent off

[Nice One Cyril]

if he wasn't sent off Fellaini or Hibbert would have been.. ref got scared after the soft sent off

Very true. Managers are quick to complain when a decision goes against them, but suddenly get Wengeritis when the ref misses something.

[BrickTop]

if he wasn't sent off Fellaini or Hibbert would have been.. ref got scared after the soft sent off

Very true. Managers are quick to complain when a decision goes against them, but suddenly get Wengeritis when the ref misses something.

Agreed. Fellaini's feet aren't even touching the ground.

[Karmann Ghia]

'kinell must of missed the bit where Atkinson blew full-time at the 23rd minute and awarded 0-2 to the away team.

Bitters indeed....

That only happens in the amateurs

[Hammer]

You can't deny what he says is true, but the refs don't do it on purpose and it's always been part of football. So long as the referees are held accountable for their decisions, I don't see the problem.

However, I really wish they'd take action against players trying to referee the game. Players waving imaginary cards, exhorting the referee to issue a card, should be booked immediately without warning, before dealing with the player who actually committed the foul.

i dont totally agree with this, why cant the question be asked when you think its deserved? your saying asking for a card to be issued is just as bad as commiting a bookable offence?
obviously this is coming from an attackers point of view (the ones who are usually being kicked/fouled), and this is just my opinion.

[Nice One Cyril]

You can't deny what he says is true, but the refs don't do it on purpose and it's always been part of football. So long as the referees are held accountable for their decisions, I don't see the problem.

However, I really wish they'd take action against players trying to referee the game. Players waving imaginary cards, exhorting the referee to issue a card, should be booked immediately without warning, before dealing with the player who actually committed the foul.

i dont totally agree with this, why cant the question be asked when you think its deserved? your saying asking for a card to be issued is just as bad as commiting a bookable offence?
obviously this is coming from an attackers point of view (the ones who are usually being kicked/fouled), and this is just my opinion.

It's not that the offence is physically worse than the foul, more that it attempts to undermine the authority of the officials and is appallingly bad sportsmanship to try to get a fellow player booked or sent off. There's only one bloke on the park with a whistle, if the players want to give it a blow, ask the ref nicely after the game and I'm sure he'll oblige

[Hammer]

Cyril, I see no difference in asking for a foul if you think it's a foul or asking for a thow in if you think it's your throw in or asking for a red card if you think it should be a red card or asking for a yellow card if you think its a yellow card. Fair is fair, do not commit the offence and the card will not be in question
There is a difference between asking the referee a question and demanding something from a referee tho.

[Nice One Cyril]

Cyril, I see no difference in asking for a foul if you think it's a foul or asking for a thow in if you think it's your throw in or asking for a red card if you think it should be a red card or asking for a yellow card if you think its a yellow card. Fair is fair, do not commit the offence and the card will not be in question
There is a difference between asking the referee a question and demanding something from a referee tho.

I suspect we'll agree to disagree on this, but IMO asking for a foul / throw in is not attempting to get another player sanctioned. Asking for a card, is.

[Facts and Stats]

whereas in cricket you have to ask for the umpire to give a player out, no appeal no decision!

[Hammer]

Cyril, I see no difference in asking for a foul if you think it's a foul or asking for a thow in if you think it's your throw in or asking for a red card if you think it should be a red card or asking for a yellow card if you think its a yellow card. Fair is fair, do not commit the offence and the card will not be in question
There is a difference between asking the referee a question and demanding something from a referee tho.

I suspect we'll agree to disagree on this, but IMO asking for a foul / throw in is not attempting to get another player sanctioned. Asking for a card, is.

Yes Agree to disagree. If I do my best to follow the laws of the game while I'm playing and try not to rack up cards, when I see an opponent doing something worthy of a yellow card I will ask for it to be issued at the time. Otherwise it is an injustice to me and my team. I strongly disagree with anyone thinking that is unsportsmanlike.

[The one and only]

everton are just being bitter but it was a shocking decision