There are 6 key stages to the Soccer Coaching Circle

[the FAKE one]

[CLINT FLICK]

no you havent hit a nerve at all, its just annoying that someone who hasnt contributed anything worthwhile is asking me to verify and publicly state my qualifications]

Look dont tell us then, I'm not that bothered...but dont be annoyed...be proud

while many people on the forum know who i am, i still like to remain largely annonymous. like you i have a user name. are you willing to tell us who you are and what you have achieved???

My name is CLINT FLICK and I have achieved 'Ball Boy' status on a football forum

[rabbit]

CLINT FLICK.....Leave Megaboner alone. He is someone who is contributing to the local football scene and I'm sure the local Clubs are benefiting from the knowledge he gives THEIR boys and girls.

[Jeda]

I obviously hit a nerve

how many young coaches (15-20yo's) are employed by the great footballing nations to oversee the development of their young players....bit melodramatic???

By the way...I think rabbit is taking the mickey out of you. (do your own homework.)

You still havent answered my first question..what qualifications & experience do you have. (Football_lad gave us his virtual coaching life story)

I may have opinions which differ to yours but keep up the good work.

CLINT

You really are a CLINT

Go get a life

[Los Del Eague]

I believe the younger coaches at our club are having a far better impact on the juniors than the dad's who are coaching but have never played the game.
You cant fault the enthusiam and effort from the coaches but if you have never played, how can you really understand what is right for a team/player?
How can you plan ahead to improve an individual?
How can you really see something on the pitch and think quickly about the change that could alter the game in your favour?
Why do you have to make 754 changes per game when things are going well?
I have seniors who still think interchange is the best way to go!!!
Thats GAYFL, not football WAKE UP!

Football lad is one of 4 young coaches at our club who I watch every now and then and the stuff they teach and talk to the kids about is more beneficial and worthwhile and is driven from a deeper knowledge of the game.

You only have to stand on the sidelines to watch some of the other coaches from a plethera of clubs who talk absolute bollocks and treat their role as though they are Alex Ferguson!

They do more damage than the younger coaches who are still playing.

I have coaching badges in junior football from the UK and I shake my head sometimes in disbelief at what I see and hear.
This is not a dig at our coaches only, its for the term 'DAD COACH' in general.

Keep up the great work Football lad, Vista 09, Budha and Borat.
The future of the club lies with you.

[MegaBonus]

can i just clarify that

there was never any criticism directed at football lad. if anything, anyone who puts their hand up to coach young children/teenagers for very little or no financial reward deserves great praise.

my concern was that the australian footballing community must insist on coaches acquiring minimum qualifications.

many coaches believe results are an indication of how well they are doing. this is not always accurate!!!

overseas trends indicate that the very best of coaches are being employed at junior and youth level - where the foundations are laid!!!!!!

[Tony Adams]

i'm twenty and am in my fourth year of coaching. after spending a year as assistant in the colts team i took on a under ten team in which i have mostly kept together and are now under twelves over the past three years i have lost two players one to fed and one to footy. luckily i still play and get a lot of tips from coaches and senior players at my club which are a huge benifit. The fact that i still play and im still really benifits the kids i look at some of the other coaches around and they have enough knowledge but dont get right in the mixer with the kids. i find that some of the dads around the club look to me for guidence and am regularly giving advice to other coaches around the club. coaching also helps my awerness for the game. i'm not saying dads are better or worst coaches then younger people but a lot of the kids in my team remeber watching me play for the colts and look up to me and my opinions. good luck to all young coaches as i believe both the kids and the coach learn out of it

[Los Del Eague]

can i just clarify that
there was never any criticism directed at football lad. if anything, anyone who puts their hand up to coach young children/teenagers for very little or no financial reward deserves great praise.

I never said there was any critism mega,
get off your high horse and take a chill pill brother
I was just voicing my opinion

[Los Del Eague]

many coaches believe results are an indication of how well they are doing. this is not always accurate!!!

Too true mega
I'm sick of hearing we won 21 nil last week!

So what?????
what did the kids learn?

[sacred_june (GrooveChild)]

hi guys!

i was the one who started the topic about young coaches in the local forum that megabonus referred to in the opening of this topic.

very interseting to hear everyone's views on young players coaching. everybody has made good points and it just goes to show that coaching is all opinions.

a little about myself.
i am 19, and currently playing reserves level in the super league.
im not coaching this year due to personal commitments, but i really do miss it. still playing however, and i know that when i return i will have even more to offer.

ive been keeping an eye on my old group of boys (who i picked up at U/12 Cs). i was assistant coach back then and they were a struggling team. we managed to get our team playing much better football and eventually a promotion to U/13 B div.

Then, (in u/13b) i co-coached with the same person, where we saw a huge improvement in the lads, which i think is partly due to them starting to understand the system we were teaching, as well as the fact that we incorporated regular indoor training sessions (around once a week).

The indoor training greatly improved the boys skills, as well as sharpness and agility, and it transferred well onto the pitch on sundays. quick ball movement was an obvious strength in our team, something that we wouldnt have thought possible only a year earlier. and after a successful year (improvement wise), we reached the quater finals of the cup and narrowly missed out on promotion.

this year, although my coaching partner and i are no longer coaching the boys, they have been left in very capable hands (an old coach of mine, actually) and are pushing for promotion. The improvements these boys have made has been astounding.

in my opinion, a young coach works best when teamed with an experienced coach/ex player. i think that young coaches really can help out a team in so many ways...especially in ways that older coaches may struggle at: eg. - Giving technical examples, ie. correct shooting examples
- Connecting with players problems -as they atill are playing themselves and experience the same problems. ie. not understanding why a coach might make certain decisions



I think young coaches should be encouraged, not disouraged. think of all the experience they can gain, and how that experience can transfer onto the pitch (making them better players) and into their futures (making them better coaches at a younger age!

Keep up the good work coaches, young and old . your help is invaluable and without it, football wouldnt be where it is today!

[fossil]

why is it nessecary to have a go at dad coaches when at best most clubs can't provide adequate coaches or facilities and the ones that are are having trouble each year.

there needs to be more done every year to promaote the coaches and coaching quality, if this means getting a person like sacred then so be it, as a coach when do you stop learning?

Does it really matter what code you follow or were raised on? the game is played with the same intent of having a child learn and do his/her best.

I do see alot of different people but carra how many times do experienced players or coaches offer to share what they have learned?
who was taught better a person from the UK or from Denmark or any other country for that.

I would say the suggestion from mega about the qualifications is right after hearing from a senior instructor the levels and expectations on juniors is too low, the reason is some coaches don't ask or don't know enough but who is supporting them?

FFSA, local clubs or even the past player and from what i see and experience is you all comment loudly but show very little with hands on in the future development of a player, coach and club.

develop a mentor system that helps the coaches after all one season with a mentor may expose 50 years of experience.[/quote][/list]

[fossil]

why is it nessecary to have a go at dad coaches when at best most clubs can't provide adequate coaches or facilities and the ones that are are having trouble each year.

there needs to be more done every year to promaote the coaches and coaching quality, if this means getting a person like sacred then so be it, as a coach when do you stop learning?

Does it really matter what code you follow or were raised on? the game is played with the same intent of having a child learn and do his/her best.

I do see alot of different people but carra how many times do experienced players or coaches offer to share what they have learned?
who was taught better a person from the UK or from Denmark or any other country for that.

I would say the suggestion from mega about the qualifications is right after hearing from a senior instructor the levels and expectations on juniors is too low, the reason is some coaches don't ask or don't know enough but who is supporting them?

FFSA, local clubs or even the past player and from what i see and experience is you all comment loudly but show very little with hands on in the future development of a player, coach and club.

develop a mentor system that helps the coaches after all one season with a mentor may expose 50 years of experience.

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[Football_lad]

I dont think enyone is having a go at neither the dads or the youngins like myself here. I think that in some cases there is not other option than someones dad... there is nothing wrong with that and quite often with the right guidance can learn a great deal about coaching and alsot he sport.

The main thing i have been saying is that there is definately nothing wrong with a teenager coaching a junior side. Please if you disagree with me i welcome you to come along to one of my training sessions or games and tell me what im doing wrong. The biggest and hardest thing i have found about coaching juniors is getting the discipline and respect right. If you have that you can then teach your kids almost anything.

i feel i have won the respect of my juniors and i am not only their coach but also their friend. These kids learna lot and i see them trying to implement what they have learnt at training during the games.

If the kids will listen to you when you want to speak then you are half way there. Teaching them the right stuff comes next. I think that anyone that sticks their hand up to coach should not be discouraged but prasied. i enjoy what i do and will continue to coach for as long as i think im doing the right thing!

Coaching is a tough gig sometimes and i applaud all of those who put their hand up and give their time to the sport and children!

[Tony Adams]

absolutly agree. good on any one who goes out with the intent on helpping kids learn its a tuff gig whether your young or old.

[supporter]

my sons first coach was just another kids dad, he had never played the game before, only aussie rules, he loved it so much he learnt every thing he possibly could and that team went on to win three Challenge Cups in the E & D association.. most of those boys are now playing under 17s or higher now for different fed clubs, including state representation....
munno para munno para oi oi oi!!!!!!!!!

[sacred_june (GrooveChild)]

my sons first coach was just another kids dad, he had never played the game before, only aussie rules, he loved it so much he learnt every thing he possibly could and that team went on to win three Challenge Cups in the E & D association.. most of those boys are now playing under 17s or higher now for different fed clubs, including state representation....
munno para munno para oi oi oi!!!!!!!!!

are you refferring to your son or the coach here?

[chunky-monkey]

Football lad:

from what i have heard you are doing a fantastic job with your team and at the club. you have taken on massive amounts of responsibilty at the club which saw you rewarded at last years presentation. you have the respect of many at mvsc at both junior and senior levels and you have and continue to set a benchmark for lads playing from the colts and up. continue to do what you are doing as you are a fantastic coach and player. if all clubs had atleast one player/coach at 18 years of age at their club like yourself we wouldnt have so many dads teaching kids about a game they know nothing about.

have we all seen the telstra bigpond advert where the dad is telling his son that the great wall of china was built to keep rabbits out?? i for one am worried that this kind of misinformation is being handed out at a football coaching level to too many junior players by dads that simply dont know what theyre talking about.
very worrying....

Totally agree mackam he is doing a very good job and I was involved with that same team last year and this year put my hand up to coach a team at the club and same age who had no one and thought it would be a good chance to take on a team alone. I can say that I have seen a very good improvement in my players from the first time I have seen them up to now. My team even beat Football Lad's team in a cup game which went to penalties but both teams played well and I think with more younger people geting involved in coaching it can only benefit the up and coming players.

[Football_lad]

Football lad:

from what i have heard you are doing a fantastic job with your team and at the club. you have taken on massive amounts of responsibilty at the club which saw you rewarded at last years presentation. you have the respect of many at mvsc at both junior and senior levels and you have and continue to set a benchmark for lads playing from the colts and up. continue to do what you are doing as you are a fantastic coach and player. if all clubs had atleast one player/coach at 18 years of age at their club like yourself we wouldnt have so many dads teaching kids about a game they know nothing about.

have we all seen the telstra bigpond advert where the dad is telling his son that the great wall of china was built to keep rabbits out?? i for one am worried that this kind of misinformation is being handed out at a football coaching level to too many junior players by dads that simply dont know what theyre talking about.
very worrying....

Totally agree mackam he is doing a very good job and I was involved with that same team last year and this year put my hand up to coach a team at the club and same age who had no one and thought it would be a good chance to take on a team alone. I can say that I have seen a very good improvement in my players from the first time I have seen them up to now. My team even beat Football Lad's team in a cup game which went to penalties but both teams played well and I think with more younger people geting involved in coaching it can only benefit the up and coming players.

The worst thing young coaches can teach their team is to have 12 playres on the pitch in a cup game.. .isnt that right Vista09?

[chunky-monkey]

Football lad:

from what i have heard you are doing a fantastic job with your team and at the club. you have taken on massive amounts of responsibilty at the club which saw you rewarded at last years presentation. you have the respect of many at mvsc at both junior and senior levels and you have and continue to set a benchmark for lads playing from the colts and up. continue to do what you are doing as you are a fantastic coach and player. if all clubs had atleast one player/coach at 18 years of age at their club like yourself we wouldnt have so many dads teaching kids about a game they know nothing about.

have we all seen the telstra bigpond advert where the dad is telling his son that the great wall of china was built to keep rabbits out?? i for one am worried that this kind of misinformation is being handed out at a football coaching level to too many junior players by dads that simply dont know what theyre talking about.
very worrying....

Totally agree mackam he is doing a very good job and I was involved with that same team last year and this year put my hand up to coach a team at the club and same age who had no one and thought it would be a good chance to take on a team alone. I can say that I have seen a very good improvement in my players from the first time I have seen them up to now. My team even beat Football Lad's team in a cup game which went to penalties but both teams played well and I think with more younger people geting involved in coaching it can only benefit the up and coming players.

The worst thing young coaches can teach their team is to have 12 playres on the pitch in a cup game.. .isnt that right Vista09?

Mate honest mistake and I did tell everyone who was ment to be off the pitch andif im correct I believe the referee should have counted the players before the game. Honest Mistake.

[Football_lad]

Football lad:

from what i have heard you are doing a fantastic job with your team and at the club. you have taken on massive amounts of responsibilty at the club which saw you rewarded at last years presentation. you have the respect of many at mvsc at both junior and senior levels and you have and continue to set a benchmark for lads playing from the colts and up. continue to do what you are doing as you are a fantastic coach and player. if all clubs had atleast one player/coach at 18 years of age at their club like yourself we wouldnt have so many dads teaching kids about a game they know nothing about.

have we all seen the telstra bigpond advert where the dad is telling his son that the great wall of china was built to keep rabbits out?? i for one am worried that this kind of misinformation is being handed out at a football coaching level to too many junior players by dads that simply dont know what theyre talking about.
very worrying....

Totally agree mackam he is doing a very good job and I was involved with that same team last year and this year put my hand up to coach a team at the club and same age who had no one and thought it would be a good chance to take on a team alone. I can say that I have seen a very good improvement in my players from the first time I have seen them up to now. My team even beat Football Lad's team in a cup game which went to penalties but both teams played well and I think with more younger people geting involved in coaching it can only benefit the up and coming players.

The worst thing young coaches can teach their team is to have 12 playres on the pitch in a cup game.. .isnt that right Vista09?

Mate honest mistake and I did tell everyone who was ment to be off the pitch andif im correct I believe the referee should have counted the players before the game. Honest Mistake.

Ease up brotherin was just havin takin the piss. Long live the vista... stupid draw anyway that game should never have existed.. give the kids a chance to get into the cup not just a pre cup game!!!

[chunky-monkey]

I kbnow mate I wasn't getting defensive. Deffinitly agree was shite just an easy way for E & D to put us against each other. PRIDE - HONOUR - RESPECT

[supporter]

sacred_june, i am refering to the coach....this topic was about coaching and how experienced they should be or how old they are, i did not mention my son, only to say the coach took the kids as six year olds and really taught them how to play.............

[sacred_june (GrooveChild)]

ok. just veryifying!

its good to hear of the success of the lads. i think that although the coach wasnt experienced in soccer, it didnt matter, his boys have become successful anyway, as he most likely taught them the important first lessons when playing sport for the first time. ie determination, trying your hardest, punctuality...etc... things that are common between soccer and aussie rules.

know what im saying? i dont think that soccer experience is necissariyl essential when coaching the youngest of the young! teaching them to have fun and good values is most important at this age.

[supporter]

you are spot on there.

[MegaBonus]

@ sacred june & supporter

know what im saying? i dont think that soccer experience is necissariyl essential when coaching the youngest of the young! teaching them to have fun and good values is most important at this age.

at what age of the kids do you say to the coach with very little experience, "hey bud, thanks for all your help, we now need an experienced junior/youth coach for this team?"

[supporter]

good point mega but the coach im refering to wasnt a junior, but having said that' they all have to start sometime, no matter how old they are, but personally i would prefer to see someone a little older (or experienced) coaching the young ones.

[sacred_june (GrooveChild)]

@ sacred june & supporter

know what im saying? i dont think that soccer experience is necissariyl essential when coaching the youngest of the young! teaching them to have fun and good values is most important at this age.

at what age of the kids do you say to the coach with very little experience, "hey bud, thanks for all your help, we now need an experienced junior/youth coach for this team?"

firstly, excuse the typo. lol.
secondly, it would be ideal to have an experienced coach from the beginning, but what im refferring to is the real young kids, ie, u/6. the ones that play modified football...when they're still too uncoordinated to learn techinque. i think though by u/8 they should definately have somebody coaching them with experience, so they dont get into bad habbits (like most of us have)