2ND ashes test!

[Derek]

Nice quick turn around, cant wait.

Do we think either team will make changes?

I hope Finn gets the boot, i know he took some vital wickets in the 1st innings but overall his bowling was poor. Get Bresnan in there as he can bat a bit too!

Comfortable England win at Lords

[God is an Englishman]

agreed - bresnan in for finn


unfortunately I thnk the aussie will go khawaja for cowan

[Steve#4]

My sleep has been caught up on and ready to go again......Aussie win can be the only result.

[Bomber]

Would be nice to win the toss and have a bat for a start. Harris or Bird must play (take Starc out maybe). Also Cowan out, Khawaja in.

[Derek]

I agree that Stark may get the boot.

[bapa]

aussies will make 2 changes

Cowan and Starc to be dropped in favour of Khawaja and Bird/Harris


the poms still to have the cheat in their team

interesting fact, the aussies have won 14/18 test matches at Lord's?

[God is an Englishman]

the poms still to have the cheat in their team

looks like the aussies will still have theirs as well?

[bapa]

the poms still to have the cheat in their team

looks like the aussies will still have theirs as well?

glad u agree, that broad is a cheat!

[God is an Englishman]

the poms still to have the cheat in their team

looks like the aussies will still have theirs as well?

glad u agree, that broad is a cheat!

have said it many times already, in my opinion he cheated.

BUT if he cheated, so did haddin and Clarke?

[Stitch This]

the poms still to have the cheat in their team

You are doing such a good job in the West Adelaide Hellas memorabilia thread today.

Don't go and spoil things

[bapa]

the poms still to have the cheat in their team

You are doing such a good job in the West Adelaide Hellas memorabilia thread today.

Don't go and spoil things

but, hawkesy agrees with me that Broad is a cheat!

[God is an Englishman]

But do you agree with me about haddin and clarke?

[Bomber]

All are in the same boat, but it just looks worse when one knows that you cant appeal via DRS, and the others could. If there were no DRS reviews left, and they were given not out, Haddin and Clarke would have looked worse in that they knew they couldnt call for the bloke upstairs. They are guilty of being silly more than anything, as it turned out the poms had the DRS up their sleeve when their calls were questioned and surely they should have known that and walked anyway. That said, given a poor appeal, the state of the game, Haddin's was almost understandable.

[God is an Englishman]

All are in the same boat, but it just looks worse when one knows that you cant appeal via DRS, and the others could. If there were no DRS reviews left, and they were given not out, Haddin and Clarke would have looked worse in that they knew they couldnt call for the bloke upstairs. They are guilty of being silly more than anything, as it turned out the poms had the DRS up their sleeve when their calls were questioned and surely they should have known that and walked anyway. That said, given a poor appeal, the state of the game, Haddin's was almost understandable.

How silly did Clarke looked claiming he didn't hit it and going for the referral and wasting it?

[Bomber]

All are in the same boat, but it just looks worse when one knows that you cant appeal via DRS, and the others could. If there were no DRS reviews left, and they were given not out, Haddin and Clarke would have looked worse in that they knew they couldnt call for the bloke upstairs. They are guilty of being silly more than anything, as it turned out the poms had the DRS up their sleeve when their calls were questioned and surely they should have known that and walked anyway. That said, given a poor appeal, the state of the game, Haddin's was almost understandable.

How silly did Clarke looked claiming he didn't hit it and going for the referral and wasting it?

Thats why I said silly, not so much a cheat. What sane person would refer it if they knew they hit it? Can only imagine he thought he didnt.
If he hit it, knew it, ump said not out and he knew there were no DRS reviews left for the poms, then yes, throw the "cheat" book at him.
Will be interesting if/when Broad comes to Australia all the same. I'm sure the local crowd will be nice to him.

[God is an Englishman]

All are in the same boat, but it just looks worse when one knows that you cant appeal via DRS, and the others could. If there were no DRS reviews left, and they were given not out, Haddin and Clarke would have looked worse in that they knew they couldnt call for the bloke upstairs. They are guilty of being silly more than anything, as it turned out the poms had the DRS up their sleeve when their calls were questioned and surely they should have known that and walked anyway. That said, given a poor appeal, the state of the game, Haddin's was almost understandable.

How silly did Clarke looked claiming he didn't hit it and going for the referral and wasting it?

Thats why I said silly, not so much a cheat. What sane person would refer it if they knew they hit it? Can only imagine he thought he didnt.
If he hit it, knew it, ump said not out and he knew there were no DRS reviews left for the poms, then yes, throw the "cheat" book at him.
Will be interesting if/when Broad comes to Australia all the same. I'm sure the local crowd will be nice to him.

so broad hits in and stands there, he's a cheat. Clarke and hadding hit it and stand there, they're just silly. Clarke not only cheated but he's worse. He on the faint hope of the technology being faulty stood there after being given out.

As for the locals, you won't hear them over the barmy army anyway, you never do.

[Bomber]

so broad hits in and stands there, he's a cheat. Clarke and hadding hit it and stand there, they're just silly. Clarke not only cheated but he's worse. He on the faint hope of the technology being faulty stood there after being given out.

As for the locals, you won't hear them over the barmy army anyway, you never do.

You obviously didnt read the context I wrote re DRS situation. Its like the idiots on the bus pleading not guilty to the bashings, yet its all on video. Are they cheats or just stupid?

[God is an Englishman]

so broad hits in and stands there, he's a cheat. Clarke and hadding hit it and stand there, they're just silly. Clarke not only cheated but he's worse. He on the faint hope of the technology being faulty stood there after being given out.

As for the locals, you won't hear them over the barmy army anyway, you never do.

You obviously didnt read the context I wrote re DRS situation. Its like the idiots on the bus pleading not guilty to the bashings, yet its all on video. Are they cheats or just stupid?

well technically none of them are cheats, no where in the rules does it state you have to walk.

I read the drs part and don't see the relevance. All 3 players are in the same boat.

[Bomber]

so broad hits in and stands there, he's a cheat. Clarke and hadding hit it and stand there, they're just silly. Clarke not only cheated but he's worse. He on the faint hope of the technology being faulty stood there after being given out.

As for the locals, you won't hear them over the barmy army anyway, you never do.

You obviously didnt read the context I wrote re DRS situation. Its like the idiots on the bus pleading not guilty to the bashings, yet its all on video. Are they cheats or just stupid?

well technically none of them are cheats, no where in the rules does it state you have to walk.

I read the drs part and don't see the relevance. All 3 players are in the same boat.

Imagine if there was a DRS in the football WC in 86, England v Argentina - England had one review left before Maradona's hand of god. Do you think he would have claimed the goal and celebrated as such in that circumstance? Then think if England had no reviews left (which as they didnt exist, was the real outcome). If the first instance happened and goal was correctly disallowed due to DRS, would he still be classed as a cheat? It would have been forgotten about in a milli-second due to the correct call!

[God is an Englishman]

Imagine if there was a DRS in the football WC in 86, England v Argentina - England had one review left before Maradona's hand of god. Do you think he would have claimed the goal and celebrated as such in that circumstance? Then think if England had no reviews left (which as they didnt exist, was the real outcome). If the first instance happened and goal was correctly disallowed due to DRS, would he still be classed as a cheat? It would have been forgotten about in a milli-second due to the correct call!

yes it would have been forgotten about but he would still be a cheat.

I just fail to see how broad is more of a cheat because clarke shiraz up.

[Bomber]

Imagine if there was a DRS in the football WC in 86, England v Argentina - England had one review left before Maradona's hand of god. Do you think he would have claimed the goal and celebrated as such in that circumstance? Then think if England had no reviews left (which as they didnt exist, was the real outcome). If the first instance happened and goal was correctly disallowed due to DRS, would he still be classed as a cheat? It would have been forgotten about in a milli-second due to the correct call!

yes it would have been forgotten about but he would still be a cheat.

I just fail to see how broad is more of a cheat because clarke shiraz up.

Coz he knew the decision couldnt and wouldnt be allowed to be challenged. Quite simple really.

[God is an Englishman]

Imagine if there was a DRS in the football WC in 86, England v Argentina - England had one review left before Maradona's hand of god. Do you think he would have claimed the goal and celebrated as such in that circumstance? Then think if England had no reviews left (which as they didnt exist, was the real outcome). If the first instance happened and goal was correctly disallowed due to DRS, would he still be classed as a cheat? It would have been forgotten about in a milli-second due to the correct call!

yes it would have been forgotten about but he would still be a cheat.

I just fail to see how broad is more of a cheat because clarke shiraz up.

Coz he knew the decision couldnt and wouldnt be allowed to be challenged. Quite simple really.

so he's to blame because clarke shiraz up? Do you really think in the heat of the moment, how many reviews they had left was even considered?

[Bomber]

Absolutely! It's a pretty important "tactic" these days. That, plus I imagine reviews left would be flashed up on the screen every so often.

[bapa]

Imagine if there was a DRS in the football WC in 86, England v Argentina - England had one review left before Maradona's hand of god. Do you think he would have claimed the goal and celebrated as such in that circumstance? Then think if England had no reviews left (which as they didnt exist, was the real outcome). If the first instance happened and goal was correctly disallowed due to DRS, would he still be classed as a cheat? It would have been forgotten about in a milli-second due to the correct call!

yes it would have been forgotten about but he would still be a cheat.

I just fail to see how broad is more of a cheat because clarke shiraz up.

a cheat is a cheat!

u cant be more of a cheat than someone else

[Mad_Max]

Don't we all wish Broad had walked now.

Anything to avoid another 6 weeks of this cabernet.

[God is an Englishman]

Imagine if there was a DRS in the football WC in 86, England v Argentina - England had one review left before Maradona's hand of god. Do you think he would have claimed the goal and celebrated as such in that circumstance? Then think if England had no reviews left (which as they didnt exist, was the real outcome). If the first instance happened and goal was correctly disallowed due to DRS, would he still be classed as a cheat? It would have been forgotten about in a milli-second due to the correct call!

yes it would have been forgotten about but he would still be a cheat.

I just fail to see how broad is more of a cheat because clarke shiraz up.

a cheat is a cheat!

u cant be more of a cheat than someone else

So do you agree that clarke and haddin are cheats then?

[bapa]

yes it would have been forgotten about but he would still be a cheat.

I just fail to see how broad is more of a cheat because clarke shiraz up.

a cheat is a cheat!

u cant be more of a cheat than someone else

So do you agree that clarke and haddin are cheats then?

no

[bapa]

Don't we all wish Broad had walked now.

Anything to avoid another 6 weeks of this cabernet.

I doubt it, the Poms would of had another whinge about something else, maybe like the weather was too hot for the!

[Mad_Max]

Cowan and Starc OUT

Khawaja and Harris IN

Re-arranging the deckchairs

[Steve#4]

Cowan and Starc OUT

Khawaja and Harris IN

Re-arranging the deckchairs

Starc call is a bit tuff but to be honest Cowan shouldn't have got a gig in the first test.

Is Harris fit?