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considering the debate raging in the 'sth melb' topic, i thought this was relevent.

i dont necessary agree with its content but can sympathise wih the authors to some degree!!!!


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Since the 1950s, foundation-member clubs, supported by different ethnic groups, have survived and retained the integrity of this game in Australia with minimal support from both their governing body and the general public. During the so called ‘bad-old days’ of football, people involved with the game invested a countless amount of hours and money for little or no return, but simply for the love of their club and the game. The fortunes of these clubs were not aided by any organizational funding or by extensive marketing, which may have assisted in their growth and development. The games commercial exposure was limited to reports of overblown incidents of crowd trouble, often referred to by media outlets as ethnic violence, and the perceived consensus was to expel the clubs and there unruly ethnic supporters.

When the English Premier League went through their period of difficulty with regards to crowd violence in the 1970s & 1980s, did they expel the clubs at the time and create a whole new franchise league? No they did not. They worked together with the existing clubs to expel those fans who were continually found responsible for inciting such incidents of violence. It was an initiative that worked to great effect. The English FA realized that the violence was a social issue and that they could not hold the clubs solely responsible for this anti-social behaviour, recognizing the importance of maintaining the culture in their football.

It has been the occurrence of crowd violence at A-league matches, especially at Victory-Sydney FC, and Victory-Adelaide matches, which is proof that our clubs were indeed scapegoats for a media hell-bent on suppressing the game in this country. A-League incidents of the same type are often downplayed by a Lowy-backed media who now have interests in the game’s success. It is this media that continues to report such incidents as a playback to the ‘bad old days’ of the NSL. The ironic part of all this is that this is a statement often made by people who never even attended a football match prior to 2004. Furthermore, reports from supporters of both new and old football have stated that crowd disturbances during the first 3 years of the A-league far out number those which occurred during the last three years of the NSL.

For many years prior to the creation of Football Federation Australia (FFA), fans of ethnic clubs agreed unanimously that change was needed to propel the game forward in this country. However, in regards to the proposed restructure, the FFA saw no place for these foundation-member clubs, which had supported the code for so long. The words ‘ethnic club’ became a dirty term, much maligned in the media and often chastised by followers of new football.

Enter the A-league.

When applying for licenses for the new A-league, many of the existing clubs at the time were priced out. There were, however, several clubs who still believed that they could come up with the capital to purchase such a license, although the new FFA told these foundation-member clubs that they ‘need not apply’; a polite way of saying that they did not want the involvement of any of these so-called ethnic clubs. It is these ethnic clubs that are responsible for where football in this country is today. The commitment of these clubs to the success of football in this country is unquestionable. They changed their names, logos and insignia on request for the so-called good of this game, although this was not enough. Foundation-member clubs were never opposed any of the proposed initiatives, including the introduction of new franchises or clubs, if it was believe to be of benefit to football in Australia. While such moves were never opposed by these ‘ethnic’ clubs, it is the A-league franchises who respond to any related proposal like spoilt children. The idea of a foundation-member club seeking admission to the A-league is often greeted with a level of xenophobia not unlike that which existed during the period of the White-Australia Policy.

Without these ‘ethnic clubs’, there would have been no Viduka, no Swarchzer, no Cahill, no Bresciano, no Culina, no Emerton, and we could go on. In other words, without these clubs, who developed over 90% of the world cup squad, there would have been no World Cup 2006. Yet who received all of the plaudits and praise for this successful campaign? It was the A-league and its new franchises, of which many of those involved had not supported football in this country until they saw the opportunity to make money from the sport. The ethnic clubs did not get a mention.

The traditional football supporters and foundation-member clubs have, irrespective of this complete and utter disrespect, continued to support the game in this country, despite being told that there clubs are not marketable enough to ever return to the top flight, due to their ethnic ties. The truth of the matter is that these foundation-member clubs never once had the opportunity to thrive in a properly marketed league. We are referred to as the bad old days of football in this country, when the truth is, and as anyone who has supported the game prior to 2004 will tell you, there were some fantastic moments prior to the establishment of the FFA. There were also some impressive crowd figures. To put this into perspective, Sunshine George Cross, a club most of our new football fans would have never heard of, pulled in crowds of over 15,000 on a number of separate occasions, and had a record home attendance of 25,500, which occurred at a state league game back in 1962 at Olympic Park. This was without the millions of dollars in marketing, which today’s A-league has at its disposal. With even clubs such Sunshine once pulling 25,500 people, don’t tell me that foundation clubs are not marketable commodities. Who will ever forget the debacle that was the channel 7 deal, which saw television coverage of the national football league at the time (the NSL) placed in a time slot even a telemarketing program would be unhappy with.

The majority of these derogatory comments come to us from Anglo-Australians who, up until the inception of the A-league, and even later, used to call our beautiful game ‘wogball’ and a game played only by ‘wogs’. Where were these people when the ‘ethnic-Australians’ were regularly braving all conditions to travel to Olympic Park to watch our beloved Socceroos play to less than 10,000, or even be outnumbered by the supporters of the opposition; most notably against Chile at Olympic Park in 1998.

Traditional football supporters in this country have remained quiet throughout this period, despite the disrespect they continually receive from ‘new’ football supporters. Many supporters of so-called ‘ethnic’ clubs are now just content at the fact that they still have a club to support at all, even if it is in just the state league. The truth is the powers that be have never wanted anything ethnic in this country to succeed, football-related or otherwise. In relation to the Victorian Premier League, a league which has the potential to attract crowds way in excess of leagues, including the VFA, Pura Cup Cricket, and even the national basketball league, its governing body, the FFV, appear either to have no marketing dollars whatsoever at their disposal or to be one of the most incompetent governing bodies that have ever graced world sport.

Recently, the FFA made a rule that goes against the very reason why FIFA came into existence and is a breach of their rules and regulations. The rule suggests that the perceived incompetence of the FFV may simply be their way of sending our foundation clubs broke. It was this rule that first sent out the warning bells to the foundation-member clubs and their supporters. The rule states that no state league club is allowed to sell a player for over $3,000, irrespective of age and the finances they invested into the player’s development. Any club in the world will tell you that, outside of television revenue, which our foundation-members clubs do not receive, player transfers are their financial life-blood. This rule could, in effect, see the demise of most of our clubs. In imposing such a rule, illegal in the eyes of the world’s governing body, the FFA only encourage our foundation-member clubs to sell their youth players to overseas clubs at younger ages. Why sell a player to the Victory for $3,000 when you could sell him to a lower division club anywhere in Europe for over $10,000. It appears that the FFA has also thought of this, which may have been one of the reasons, which to them coming up with their most recent creation, an initiative they call the V-league. Traditional football supporters, however, see this new creation for what it really is; the ethnic cleansing of football in this country… ethnic cleansing, FFA-style.

The V-league is a FFA-FFV initiative. It will be a summer league and will involve up to 12 franchises, which will incorporate 8 metropolitan regions and 4 country regions. However, yet again, our already established clubs have been told that their applications for this league will not be considered. Private consortiums will run these teams. The license for a franchise will be $500,000 and the yearly salary cap will be $100,000.

This V-league would mimic the A-league, but on a state level. The teams involved in this generic league would have names such as Melbourne Metro., South-Western Melbourne, North-Western, and country franchises names such as Sunraysia and Bendigo. The result of the establishment of this V-league, in such a manner, would see foundation clubs relegated to a league called ‘Division 1’. This league will be played during the winter and will only involve amateur contracts, which will, in effect, make players not want to participate in the league, irrespective of whether or not it clashes with the V-league or A-league.

One may ask, have the FFA taken into consideration the following issues?:

Who the hell would invest into a franchise state league?;
Who the hell would attend or even have any interest in a franchise state league?; &,
Where do they think these franchises are going to play?
They will receive a rude awakening if they expect to play these franchise teams out of the grounds of foundation-member clubs for next to nothing, especially following their treatment.

The major question that I would like Lowy, Buckley and the rest of the 3rd Reich of football in this country to answer is why would you invest so much money in a league with no future when you could invest it into a league involving clubs with proven supporter bases, established youth development systems, and who are also prepared to provide financial support, irrespective of the cabernet-hole of a league you place them in? People invest money into our foundation member clubs, not because they expect a return, but because they love their club and they love the game. Is this not for the good of the game? Is ‘for the good of the game’ attending the Telstra Dome, where the majority of the gate receipts go towards both the AFL & towards individuals who only now care for the game for financial reasons? The A-league is a league that involves no youth development system and none of the elements that make football around the world so great; culture, history, derby matches, promotion and relegation. How is this for the good of the game?

In Australian football, respect is gained by the colour of your money and not by the colour of your shirt. There is even talk that the governing body want Perth Glory, due to poor low crowd figures over the past few seasons (crowd figures which were higher in the old NSL mind you), to be re-branded and re-launched. They propose to do this to the only team in the league with any history at all. This mentality is the reason that we will never have great clubs in this country, such as a Manchester United, a Liverpool, or even a Red Star Belgrade or a Steaua Bucharest (apologies to our new football fans who have not previously heard of these once great clubs).

I previously posed the question as to why the FFA would invest money into this recently proposed new V-league. There is only one answer, and that involves the term ethnic cleansing. FIFA need to be made aware of the discrimination going on in football in this country. So to all those who are listening to this, or reading it somewhere on the inter-net, the next time you pay to go to a Victory game at the Telstra Dome, stop think about what type of institution your money is going towards and also the fact it is indirectly supporting the demise of our foundation-member football clubs, or as new football supporters call them, ‘ethnic clubs’. If this fact doesn’t bother you, then this says a lot about your character and all I can say is continue to support Lowy and his henchmen at your peril. If our clubs go under, their blood will be on your hands.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:18 pm 
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great read.

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doesnt give the authors name. i got the impression theyre from melb though!!!


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this V-league sounds a bit dodgy playing in summer and all!
alot of supporters at a-league games are mercenaries. Only going to support football in Aus but not happy with the A-league set up

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:34 pm 
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good article!

its true. all the ethnic based clubs australia wide created the foundations for soccer in this country and most of them have been bottle of shiraz over in one way or another. All these "new" football fans the article talks about, are morons who dont know anything about soccer and get swept up by the marketing which has mega dollars thrown at it. Something ethnic clubs never received much = marketing.

this is why i dont really follow the A league and never go to games. there is no culture, passion behind these franchises. it is just a place for average players to play next to old has beens from overseas(romario comes to mind).

and its true. 3/4 of the australian national team came from these ethnic clubs and all have ethnic backgrounds. and if they try to eradicate these ethnic clubs, it wont be a good thing. all these band wagon shiraz losers now following australian soccer in some form or another bag the so called ethnic clubs for generating bad images. if it wasn't for these ethnic clubs, soccer would be 20 years behind what they are at now!


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great article, what a lot of us have tried to say but better

also I made this thread a while back
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considering the debate raging in the 'sth melb' topic, i thought this was relevent.

i dont necessary agree with its content but can sympathise wih the authors to some degree!!!!


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Ethnic Cleansing... FFA style
Friday 28th March, 2008

Since the 1950s, foundation-member clubs, supported by different ethnic groups, have survived and retained the integrity of this game in Australia with minimal support from both their governing body and the general public. During the so called ‘bad-old days’ of football, people involved with the game invested a countless amount of hours and money for little or no return, but simply for the love of their club and the game. The fortunes of these clubs were not aided by any organizational


Who wrote this, American :?: they love the letter z :wink: "organizational"

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they typed it up in word which has 'z' as correct spelling.


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AU is for all South Australians and you get Women,Children and Men from all different country back grounds (that are Australians one and all) going to there games which is great to see :(


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Good topic, extremely good points. But you have to admit, things had to change in the National League. You only followed Melbourne Knights if you were Croatian and Adelaide City if you were Italian.


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they typed it up in word which has 'z' as correct spelling.


I didn't say the spelling was incorrect :roll: Just that the good ol' US of A prefer z, whereas we in the land of oz follow the English use of s :wink: disregard this if you use microsoft word :lol:

But seriously, who wrote the article :?:

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So everyone would be happy if we went back to the old NSL days where people who are not ethnicly tied would steer clear of the game because of the fears they would have of violence?

I personally think what the FFA have done with the A-league is exceptional and the creation of the B-league will determine which clubs have and will be able to make changes in the culture of their supporters that created so much violence all those years ago.


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So everyone would be happy if we went back to the old NSL days where people who are not ethnicly tied would steer clear of the game because of the fears they would have of violence?

I personally think what the FFA have done with the A-league is exceptional and the creation of the B-league will determine which clubs have and will be able to make changes in the culture of their supporters that created so much violence all those years ago.


Get ure head out the sand mate.

The much publicised Syd-Victory fan violence would have made the top story nationwide if it happened in the old NSL days, nowadays it might rank a tiny article hidden away in the sport section of the local rag.

Ethnic tension causes less violence that alcohol charged teens who think they are armed (lol) with des and troy.....

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i think most ppl on here are using the term ethnic violence in a way as if to say theyve seen it first hand from yesteryear. It is the most over exagarated issue when talking about the nsl. Now i cant speak for interstate but i went to many NSL games and all the west-city derbies and never encountered any violence. at the most it was just filthy songs exchanged between supporters and maybe the occasional fight somewhere but i never saw or was involved in any brawls etc. and flares were barely used, maybe 1 or 2 if a goal was scored. Now what did we all see in A league matches in recent times, big fights, bottles thrown at players as well as coins and large mob type fights outside the stands between victory and united supporters. it makes me sick that they refer to the issue of ethnic violence when describing ethnic clubs etc, because in essense, the same type of behaviour has been seen and reported on in the current A league format. from what i have heard from ppl that go to united games, they say that the violence and negative crowd behaviour is worse in the a league as opposed the old NSL games they went to. Now this may be due to larger crowds today that increase the probability of morons trying to get attention, but overall, i dont think ethnic violence in the past superseeds what has occured in the A league today. its just an excuse!


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all these new age soccer supporters who never went to an NSL game all take heresay as gospel and have the image in there head that nsl games were full of violence and death and injuries. what a load of Barossa Pearl! there is more violence, if not the same type and level of violence in todays A league as compared to the nsl games that i went to here at hindmarsh for 9 years or so. yes there was the occasional fight here and there, and at times between same supporters(ie; greek vs greek) but it occurs all over the world. ppl make it sound as if it was dangerous to go to a game risking injury. my old man took me to games when i was 10 and i ran all over hindmarsh with mates kicking soccer balls etc. i never witnessed this ethnic violence everyone is so quick to talk about, as if they saw it first hand. total Barossa Pearl!


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I agree that football violence is sensationalised in the media. Lets hope Zed grade journalism cops a sausage roll in the scon if he goes to the next Adelaide v Dicktory match.
Plain and simple if 8-10,000 plus were going to NSL games it would still be around. Its a bit like blaming the kid who can't speak english though. Just like current governments blame their predecessors, people are happy to drop all the shite on the old NSL clubs because they don't have the right of reply, and if they do it's possible to look at current crowds and say, told you so!

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So everyone would be happy if we went back to the old NSL days where people who are not ethnicly tied would steer clear of the game because of the fears they would have of violence?

I personally think what the FFA have done with the A-league is exceptional and the creation of the B-league will determine which clubs have and will be able to make changes in the culture of their supporters that created so much violence all those years ago.


Get ure head out the sand mate.

The much publicised Syd-Victory fan violence would have made the top story nationwide if it happened in the old NSL days, nowadays it might rank a tiny article hidden away in the sport section of the local rag.


Ethnic tension causes less violence that alcohol charged teens who think they are armed (lol) with des and troy.....


it wasnt hidden away - certainly made news on three stations and was prominent in the herald sun.

The "clashes" between melbourne and adelaide made the front page of the 'tiser


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all these new age soccer supporters who never went to an NSL game all take heresay as gospel and have the image in there head that nsl games were full of violence and death and injuries. what a load of Barossa Pearl! there is more violence,if not the same type and level of violence in todays A league as compared to the nsl games that i went to here at hindmarsh for 9 years or so. yes there was the occasional fight here and there, and at times between same supporters(ie; greek vs greek) but it occurs all over the world[b]. ppl make it sound as if it was dangerous to go to a game risking injury. my old man took me to games when i was 10 and i ran all over hindmarsh with mates kicking soccer balls etc. [b]i never witnessed this ethnic violence everyone is so quick to talk about, as if they saw it first hand. total Barossa Pearl!


you either did or didn't

and if you did justifying it by saying it happens all over the world is cop out


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"The A-league is a league that involves no youth development system and none of the elements that make football around the world so great; culture, history, derby matches, promotion and relegation. How is this for the good of the game?"

Youth
youth league starts this year

History
even the NSL at one stage had no history

Derby Matches
F3
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Melbourne Sydney
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Promotion?/Relegation
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Its amazing those who preach the 'ethnic violence' tag are too young to even remember the NSL and/or simply didnt have 'ethnic ties' to particular team in the competition, so its very easy to jump on the train and sing it out 'ethnic violence' ethnicl violence'

What a bunch of dumbos.

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The NSL clubs had their chance and they blew it... they have nobody to blame but themselves...

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Get ure head out the sand mate.

The much publicised Syd-Victory fan violence would have made the top story nationwide if it happened in the old NSL days, nowadays it might rank a tiny article hidden away in the sport section of the local rag.

Ethnic tension causes less violence that alcohol charged teens who think they are armed (lol) with des and troy.....
I think your the one with your head in the sand mate, it was huge in the paper and the very minor problems that were had caused the away fans to be segregated for the the rest of the season.

granted, i wasnt a big fan of the game at the time but was there an incident when the knights came to town one year and deflied a religous statue?

and for those trying ot persist with the ethnic violence wasnt really an issue tag, its not what actually happens - its the way that it is portrayed to other people. I undertsand full well that any violence associated with the game in this country is largely beat up by the media.

But the problem is if you allow teams of ethnic backing that have a scarred history (no matter how beat up) like south melbourne, the media will jump on ANY crowd indiscretion which will once again send the fair weather and non ethnic supporters packing. In an time where ethnic migrants arrivals are diminishing this could only spell bad news for football in Australia - which is why the people that still want the old nsl teams are selfish.

As ive said, introduce the B-league and see which clubs have minimal crowd discretions and then look at promoting some of the old clubs.


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This is an issue that most of us will agree to disagree with each other. Someone said that "the old NSL had its chance, but it blew it". That statement is both true and false. True that it had its chance and blew it, but also false in the sense that it DIDNT have high rollers like Lowy pouring in the MONEY and his influence of POWER to get funding form the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to bankroll it etc etc.

Truth of the matter is this, without the Ethnic clubs, i will almost GUARANTEE you that Football at grass roots level in this country will NOT survive, that goes without saying. Football has only survived and grown in this country in respect to participation levels at grass roots because of ETHNIC clubs whether you like it or not, thats the truth.

The success of the Socceroos at the 2006 World Cup was because of these ETHNIC clubs i speak of. The people who run the A-League wouldnt even dare say that they are the reason why we made the WC Finals because we know that is not true. Its like blaming Kevin Rudd for the last 4 or 5 interest rate hikes when he has been in Government for only 5 or so months, thats absolutely ludicrous to say the least.

Forumites like Mr Bojangles are so naive, that they actually believe the crap they write on here in regards to this issue, but we all know as he and his type do, that without ETHNIC clubs, Football wouldnt even be played in this country. I wish to not say too much more on this subject because i could have a field day with some of these people, but what i will finish up saying is that the National Football League in this country did need a revamp and thats exactly what it got. Not everything is running the way they would like, but like forumites "bojangles", they were also naive in thinking everything was going to go to plan. Bling Bling Sydney FC have already had major drops in their home crowds, and Adelaide United at its absolute peak when it won the minor flag and in the year it played in a Grand Final, has never been able to fill Hindmarsh. Y IS THAT???

Football will never probably match the AFL in crowd attendances which is nothing new, and Grass roots level Football if Ethnic clubs remain which they will, will never be overtaken by any other code in participation rates, which is also nothing new. So that effectively means that nothing will ever change apart from these A-League clubs losing more money than there predecessors of the old NSL :wink:

THAT IN A NUTSHELL MY FRIENDS IS THE TRUTH :D

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Ethnics clubs and the A League go hand in hand but the game could never have taken the next step with the old power brokers in charge as the wider community and main stream media saw the game as the sport for the wogs and now the perception has changed but we as a sport internally are made up by the same people that kept the sport alive.

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I don't understand why we cannot fill hindmarsh stadium. How many people in this state play football and yet cannot find 2 hours of there time to go and support Adelaide United. Yes, i agree with the article But thats history, let it be and focus on what we have now.

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theREDhaj wrote:
Good topic, extremely good points. But you have to admit, things had to change in the National League. You only followed Melbourne Knights if you were Croatian and Adelaide City if you were Italian.


Pretty close, both old NSL clubs failed to appeal to the broader community.


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Cruyff #14 wrote:
I don't understand why we cannot fill hindmarsh stadium. How many people in this state play football and yet cannot find 2 hours of there time to go and support Adelaide United. Yes, i agree with the article But thats history, let it be and focus on what we have now.
See what i have highlighted??? There your answer my friend. Its NOT History. People will not go and support a team thats in a League where the hierarchy distances itself from not only ETHNICITY, but fails to pay its respect to these ETHNICITIES who brought the game to this country and helped it survive until now. Thats where the problem is. If the people running the A-League had a few more brains, they would not have put blame on ETHNICITY as the sole problem of the old NSL. They could of gone it in a totally different way that would of appeased the poeple who LOVE the game and FOLLOWED it when no one else wanted to. I find it stupid that the FFA would create a League for a NEW market. Its just stupid. What they should of done, was create the new League to appease all true Football followers with the view of marketing it in a way that would draw the NEW followers of the game, that in my opinion is where they have failed.

I for one follow AU, but from my lounge in front of my FOX box. I just cant bring myself to by its merchandise or buy tickets to games, knowing some of my money goes back into the hands of the powers that are, when they have disrespected my father and grandfather who are ETHNICS and who followed the game with PASSION and still do, but just not in the A-League. My old man would rather get up at 2 or 3am and watch Football on Fox or ESPN or Antenna than watch AU on Fox at a normal time of 5,6 or 7pm. And believe me thats not because of the difference in the quality of the game, because he still goes to watch Super, Premier & State League games every weekend.

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