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looking at the JPL it seems that the overall competitiveness across the board is becoming very lopsided, and the blow out of scores can't be good for the overall standard and improvement of players and clubs.

Do we need to start grading clubs ahead of teams, and having three levels of clubs based on the youth programs at a club.

For example, if we looked at the JPL results over the past 5 years, and ranked the clubs on their position across all age groups and the top 10 clubs across all JPL results over that period, to establish a CLUB league table.

So top 10-12 clubs over the 5 years will in level 1 club

The next 10-12 clubs will be JPL B and be a level 2 clubs.

Next 10-12 clubs will be level 3 clubs and be in JPL C.

Instead of promotion/relagation per age group, at the end of the season a club table is established from all age groups. This is where the Promotion and relegation occurs. The top club across all age groups in JPL B gets promoted to JPL A, and the bottom club across all ages groups on a club table would move to JPL B. same for JPL B and JPL C.

Question would this put an emphasis on clubs looking to improve their structures as a whole. Where the club have to focus on all ages and teams in order to move to the next level.

Would this help with the blow out scores we are having, and increase the evenness across each league? Would clubs then be forced into working harder with their juniors and not just use them as a cash cow?

And would this increase the loyalty of players and coaches at a club, and look at developing better programs across clubs, and encourage clubs with ambition to get the club as a whole into the top leagues not just a one of team.

The blow out results certainly are damaging a lot of clubs in player retention, and recruitment. The clubs that are doing the right things will be rewarded, and the ones that are falling away will have the opportunity to grow as a CLUB.

End of each year their will be a league winner and CLUB Championship winner. If a team comes bottom in their league, it doesn't mean they will be relegated if the club as a whole has done well.

Hence hopefully players will stay with their club, as they will still be in the respective leagues for next season.

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Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think that would lead to more blow outs.

Are you saying that a team that comes bottom of JPL B could get promoted to JPL A if all the other year grades were doing well?

I think the best way would be to scrap JPL/JSL and make it one competition and promote/relegate based on the merit of each individual side. Obviously, that won't be a guarantee that the team will be as competitive/non competitive as the year before but that can happen no matter what you do?
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slight misunderstanding, if a team at a club for example in JPL B came bottom and all their other teams came top, then the club would more then likely struggle to win the overall CLUB promotion. And the reality is that then that club will have opportunity to recruit players as a club to strengthen that group, as they will be a Level 1 club.

You are correct there still could be blow outs, because maybe there isn't 10-12 clubs at the same level, maybe it would have to be 5 levels of 8 teams, to keep it more even. However I believe that if a club as a whole got promoted then all their teams need to be at a similar level. IF you had a team bottom of JPL B and the rest become top of each league, would this put emphasis on strengthening the bottom team will better players from younger age groups move up, or having players play in their respect age groups if playing up.

In the UK the academies are run on a grading of the whole academy not just one off teams, and same in many parts of Europe.

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Neyma wrote:looking at the JPL it seems that the overall competitiveness across the board is becoming very lopsided, and the blow out of scores can't be good for the overall standard and improvement of players and clubs.

Do we need to start grading clubs ahead of teams, and having three levels of clubs based on the youth programs at a club.

For example, if we looked at the JPL results over the past 5 years, and ranked the clubs on their position across all age groups and the top 10 clubs across all JPL results over that period, to establish a CLUB league table.

So top 10-12 clubs over the 5 years will in level 1 club

The next 10-12 clubs will be JPL B and be a level 2 clubs.

Next 10-12 clubs will be level 3 clubs and be in JPL C.

Instead of promotion/relagation per age group, at the end of the season a club table is established from all age groups. This is where the Promotion and relegation occurs. The top club across all age groups in JPL B gets promoted to JPL A, and the bottom club across all ages groups on a club table would move to JPL B. same for JPL B and JPL C.

Question would this put an emphasis on clubs looking to improve their structures as a whole. Where the club have to focus on all ages and teams in order to move to the next level.

Would this help with the blow out scores we are having, and increase the evenness across each league? Would clubs then be forced into working harder with their juniors and not just use them as a cash cow?

And would this increase the loyalty of players and coaches at a club, and look at developing better programs across clubs, and encourage clubs with ambition to get the club as a whole into the top leagues not just a one of team.

The blow out results certainly are damaging a lot of clubs in player retention, and recruitment. The clubs that are doing the right things will be rewarded, and the ones that are falling away will have the opportunity to grow as a CLUB.

End of each year their will be a league winner and CLUB Championship winner. If a team comes bottom in their league, it doesn't mean they will be relegated if the club as a whole has done well.

Hence hopefully players will stay with their club, as they will still be in the respective leagues for next season.
More blow outs would occur under the model described.

Keeping teams in higher divisions because of their overall club performance is not based on merit/ability and would make a mess of the individual grades.
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God is an Englishman wrote: I think the best way would be to scrap JPL/JSL and make it one competition and promote/relegate based on the merit of each individual side. Obviously, that won't be a guarantee that the team will be as competitive/non competitive as the year before but that can happen no matter what you do?
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God is an Englishman wrote:Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think that would lead to more blow outs.

Are you saying that a team that comes bottom of JPL B could get promoted to JPL A if all the other year grades were doing well?

I think the best way would be to scrap JPL/JSL and make it one competition and promote/relegate based on the merit of each individual side. Obviously, that won't be a guarantee that the team will be as competitive/non competitive as the year before but that can happen no matter what you do?
Scrapping the JPL would not benefit full FFSA members (those with Mens Senior teams).

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magnet wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think that would lead to more blow outs.

Are you saying that a team that comes bottom of JPL B could get promoted to JPL A if all the other year grades were doing well?

I think the best way would be to scrap JPL/JSL and make it one competition and promote/relegate based on the merit of each individual side. Obviously, that won't be a guarantee that the team will be as competitive/non competitive as the year before but that can happen no matter what you do?
Scrapping the JPL would not benefit full FFSA members (those with Mens Senior teams).
Oh well
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God is an Englishman wrote:
magnet wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think that would lead to more blow outs.

Are you saying that a team that comes bottom of JPL B could get promoted to JPL A if all the other year grades were doing well?

I think the best way would be to scrap JPL/JSL and make it one competition and promote/relegate based on the merit of each individual side. Obviously, that won't be a guarantee that the team will be as competitive/non competitive as the year before but that can happen no matter what you do?
Scrapping the JPL would not benefit full FFSA members (those with Mens Senior teams).
Oh well
therefore it will never happen.

FFSA too busy working out a system where the keep the ABE U15 side in the JPLA league next season.

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magnet wrote:FFSA too busy working out a system where the keep the ABE U15 side in the JPLA league next season.
You could maybe have a system where Full members cannot get relegated past Div 4 for their A Grade?

Or the FFSA could just do what's right for the junior development of the game.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
magnet wrote:FFSA too busy working out a system where the keep the ABE U15 side in the JPLA league next season.
You could maybe have a system where Full members cannot get relegated past Div 4 for their A Grade?

Or the FFSA could just do what's right for the junior development of the game.
They will continue to do what's best from a financial point of view. JPL will remain.

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God is an Englishman wrote:
magnet wrote:FFSA too busy working out a system where the keep the ABE U15 side in the JPLA league next season.
You could maybe have a system where Full members cannot get relegated past Div 4 for their A Grade?

Or the FFSA could just do what's right for the junior development of the game.
Doesn't help the kids getting smashed every week, chasing players and not touching the ball. FFSA fails the kids and their parents who are paying for nothing.

Place them in the division that matches their ability.

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fball12 wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
magnet wrote:FFSA too busy working out a system where the keep the ABE U15 side in the JPLA league next season.
You could maybe have a system where Full members cannot get relegated past Div 4 for their A Grade?

Or the FFSA could just do what's right for the junior development of the game.
Doesn't help the kids getting smashed every week, chasing players and not touching the ball. FFSA fails the kids and their parents who are paying for nothing.

Place them in the division that matches their ability.
The system I suggested would change that (for most situations anyway)
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fball12 wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
magnet wrote:FFSA too busy working out a system where the keep the ABE U15 side in the JPLA league next season.
You could maybe have a system where Full members cannot get relegated past Div 4 for their A Grade?

Or the FFSA could just do what's right for the junior development of the game.
Doesn't help the kids getting smashed every week, chasing players and not touching the ball. FFSA fails the kids and their parents who are paying for nothing.

Place them in the division that matches their ability.
How do you do that? In the fourteen leagues between U13-U17, all but one of those leagues contains a club that is yet to win a game. The JPL already has promotion/relegation.

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[/quote]How do you do that? In the fourteen leagues between U13-U17, all but one of those leagues contains a club that is yet to win a game. The JPL already has promotion/relegation.[/quote]

Promotion/relegation hasn't been administered properly. That needs to be fixed by FFSA.

Another way would be to examine the trial game results at the beginning of the season and also check if there has been a big turnover of players from the previous season. If there are blow out losses then drop the team down a division.

FFSA should seek assurances from clubs that teams are up to playing in the division allocated. It doesn't help kids development if they're in too strong a division or too weak a division.

For the too weak a division, I recommend abolishing the JSL competition and making them Division D, E, etc assuming there are 3 JPL divisions (A, B, C) and allowing promotion.

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fball12 wrote:
How do you do that? In the fourteen leagues between U13-U17, all but one of those leagues contains a club that is yet to win a game. The JPL already has promotion/relegation.[/quote]

Promotion/relegation hasn't been administered properly. That needs to be fixed by FFSA.

Another way would be to examine the trial game results at the beginning of the season and also check if there has been a big turnover of players from the previous season. If there are blow out losses then drop the team down a division.

FFSA should seek assurances from clubs that teams are up to playing in the division allocated. It doesn't help kids development if they're in too strong a division or too weak a division.

For the too weak a division, I recommend abolishing the JSL competition and making them Division D, E, etc assuming there are 3 JPL divisions (A, B, C) and allowing promotion.[/quote]

Just have three divisions of 20, each team playing each other once. It would have a much better spread and more chance of competitive games.

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magnet wrote:
fball12 wrote:
How do you do that? In the fourteen leagues between U13-U17, all but one of those leagues contains a club that is yet to win a game. The JPL already has promotion/relegation.
Promotion/relegation hasn't been administered properly. That needs to be fixed by FFSA.

Another way would be to examine the trial game results at the beginning of the season and also check if there has been a big turnover of players from the previous season. If there are blow out losses then drop the team down a division.

FFSA should seek assurances from clubs that teams are up to playing in the division allocated. It doesn't help kids development if they're in too strong a division or too weak a division.

For the too weak a division, I recommend abolishing the JSL competition and making them Division D, E, etc assuming there are 3 JPL divisions (A, B, C) and allowing promotion.[/quote]

Just have three divisions of 20, each team playing each other once. It would have a much better spread and more chance of competitive games.[/quote]

Better than the JPL and JSL mess we have now.

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The problem with the whole JPL/JSL leagues is the fact there are JSL teams that would be better than JPL B or C teams.

We should move to one competition where a club cannot have 2 teams in the same division ie if your 1st team is in JPL1 then the best the second team can play in is JPL 2.


Surely this would come closer to getting teams of similar quality playing together?

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Sonic wrote:The problem with the whole JPL/JSL leagues is the fact there are JSL teams that would be better than JPL B or C teams.

We should move to one competition where a club cannot have 2 teams in the same division ie if your 1st team is in JPL1 then the best the second team can play in is JPL 2.


Surely this would come closer to getting teams of similar quality playing together?
For sure.

Why keep strong JSL teams in JSL when they can beat JPL A teams??

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fball12 wrote:
Sonic wrote:
Why keep strong JSL teams in JSL when they can beat JPL A teams??
The FFSA thought that the current set up would help even out the comp by the stronger JSL players looking to move to other clubs to get into their JPL teams.

This has had some degree of success but Im not sure it has done enough

Then in recent years there have been the new clubs coming into the FFSA that are bringing in Junior teams at JSL level that in some cases are not up to FFSA level and is having an impact also in some of the JSL score lines.

I understand the FFSA want to line up all the NPL premier league junior teams to play against other PL teams at junior levels which I believe is done in the other states and is a structure the FFA would like everyone to use. The FFSA started looking at last year and I wouldn't be surprised if its looked at again in the next off season (they might be planning for this change already for next year).

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Mr Red wrote:
fball12 wrote:
Sonic wrote:
Why keep strong JSL teams in JSL when they can beat JPL A teams??
The FFSA thought that the current set up would help even out the comp by the stronger JSL players looking to move to other clubs to get into their JPL teams.

This has had some degree of success but Im not sure it has done enough

Then in recent years there have been the new clubs coming into the FFSA that are bringing in Junior teams at JSL level that in some cases are not up to FFSA level and is having an impact also in some of the JSL score lines.

I understand the FFSA want to line up all the NPL premier league junior teams to play against other PL teams at junior levels which I believe is done in the other states and is a structure the FFA would like everyone to use. The FFSA started looking at last year and I wouldn't be surprised if its looked at again in the next off season (they might be planning for this change already for next year).

as a Note= EDJSA have a good filter system for juniors, u9 are ranked but not publicly and the scores ( table results are hidden) however when they move into the u10 they are placed into divisions. ideally you would think that NPL should have their juniors also in top division but its not always a Priority, some sl2 /sl3 clubs have great setups and deserve to be recognized for developing strong junior teams.

** some ideas ** The foundation should prob start here , so u10 's are placed in colours and then monitored for hidden tables for the following year this way a good lead up from 10 to 11 is able to identify the stronger teams.
then teams are ranked down from there, JPL divisions only ( i like that idea ) - all teams no JSL and create a big league style system where promotion relegation is viable.
then can only have one team for each division , two teams cannot be in the same division
this should create a depth based on skills and level.

Cup - the JPL top division does not enter the cup until the final 32 ( like a world cup ) this way if you had a 12 team JPL Div 1 ( they would not play any lower ranked teams and no big blow out scores, if a team in div 5 can get through then they can handle the next step)

** 10 and u11 ( run a tournament for u11 ( like coffs harbor , locally so that there is a system of points for curriculum and able to achieve KPI's )
this way you will have a close idea of ranked teams and see how well they are tracking as a club and development

1 Play out, coaches/ opposition too , record how many times each team plays out ( 1 Goal for highest team ( results are compared so neither team can cheat ) if numbers are so far out then both lose a goal.( or star)
2 Number of passes/ possession ( simple stat apps every team has one ( couple of easy to use programs ) and records this and adds to team sheet as well) Highest possession gains a goal ( again both teams record and then submit.( too much of a discrepancy will result in no points)
3 number shots on goal ( allows for attacking football and rewards teams , add a goal or star )

it would certainly highlight how this age is at and provide a in depth look at which clubs would have spent that development from u9 to u11, it would also be a great opportunity to identify hidden talent from clubs that not send any players into SAP or STIC


** run it over the whole week ( school holidays ) and play it on all 3 satellite grounds) Sunday to Saturday

anyway some ideas, as this would then lead to u12 teams and from then on having a good ranking system - players come and go but if majority have developed well then the team will pick up new players and unlikely drop too far.

Just some thoughts anyway
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JBJBJB wrote: 1 Play out, coaches/ opposition too , record how many times each team plays out ( 1 Goal for highest team ( results are compared so neither team can cheat ) if numbers are so far out then both lose a goal.( or star)
2 Number of passes/ possession ( simple stat apps every team has one ( couple of easy to use programs ) and records this and adds to team sheet as well) Highest possession gains a goal ( again both teams record and then submit.( too much of a discrepancy will result in no points)
3 number shots on goal ( allows for attacking football and rewards teams , add a goal or star )

it would certainly highlight how this age is at and provide a in depth look at which clubs would have spent that development from u9 to u11, it would also be a great opportunity to identify hidden talent from clubs that not send any players into SAP or STIC


** run it over the whole week ( school holidays ) and play it on all 3 satellite grounds) Sunday to Saturday

anyway some ideas, as this would then lead to u12 teams and from then on having a good ranking system - players come and go but if majority have developed well then the team will pick up new players and unlikely drop too far.

Just some thoughts anyway
Teams struggle to record goal scorers let alone take any meaningful stats. Have a look at some of the teams on SportsTG, goal scorers not recorded, team line-ups not entered. You would think that teams would at least have someone with half a brain who could enter these. It is a 5 minute job and an FFSA requirement.

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magnet wrote:
JBJBJB wrote: 1 Play out, coaches/ opposition too , record how many times each team plays out ( 1 Goal for highest team ( results are compared so neither team can cheat ) if numbers are so far out then both lose a goal.( or star)
2 Number of passes/ possession ( simple stat apps every team has one ( couple of easy to use programs ) and records this and adds to team sheet as well) Highest possession gains a goal ( again both teams record and then submit.( too much of a discrepancy will result in no points)
3 number shots on goal ( allows for attacking football and rewards teams , add a goal or star )

it would certainly highlight how this age is at and provide a in depth look at which clubs would have spent that development from u9 to u11, it would also be a great opportunity to identify hidden talent from clubs that not send any players into SAP or STIC


** run it over the whole week ( school holidays ) and play it on all 3 satellite grounds) Sunday to Saturday

anyway some ideas, as this would then lead to u12 teams and from then on having a good ranking system - players come and go but if majority have developed well then the team will pick up new players and unlikely drop too far.


Just some thoughts anyway
Teams struggle to record goal scorers let alone take any meaningful stats. Have a look at some of the teams on SportsTG, goal scorers not recorded, team line-ups not entered. You would think that teams would at least have someone with half a brain who could enter these. It is a 5 minute job and an FFSA requirement.

LOl, look have a look at soccer meter, it s a great app , simple to use, it is recorded and sent email, the idea would allow both coaches / manager , walk up to ref and provide the 3 figures , simple, recorded on team sheet ( its a specific comp and only for the week not for the whole year?? ) its very simple and no trouble at . ive used it for 5 years and its free , ipad, phone or tablet. have a look at it - soccermeter ( one touch to record every thing, it automatically works out the info for you , and you still get to watch the game.

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Is this a joke?

Goals for how many passes a team makes - you're on a wind up aren't you?
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JBJBJB wrote:
magnet wrote:
JBJBJB wrote: 1 Play out, coaches/ opposition too , record how many times each team plays out ( 1 Goal for highest team ( results are compared so neither team can cheat ) if numbers are so far out then both lose a goal.( or star)
2 Number of passes/ possession ( simple stat apps every team has one ( couple of easy to use programs ) and records this and adds to team sheet as well) Highest possession gains a goal ( again both teams record and then submit.( too much of a discrepancy will result in no points)
3 number shots on goal ( allows for attacking football and rewards teams , add a goal or star )

it would certainly highlight how this age is at and provide a in depth look at which clubs would have spent that development from u9 to u11, it would also be a great opportunity to identify hidden talent from clubs that not send any players into SAP or STIC


** run it over the whole week ( school holidays ) and play it on all 3 satellite grounds) Sunday to Saturday

anyway some ideas, as this would then lead to u12 teams and from then on having a good ranking system - players come and go but if majority have developed well then the team will pick up new players and unlikely drop too far.


Just some thoughts anyway
Teams struggle to record goal scorers let alone take any meaningful stats. Have a look at some of the teams on SportsTG, goal scorers not recorded, team line-ups not entered. You would think that teams would at least have someone with half a brain who could enter these. It is a 5 minute job and an FFSA requirement.

LOl, look have a look at soccer meter, it s a great app , simple to use, it is recorded and sent email, the idea would allow both coaches / manager , walk up to ref and provide the 3 figures , simple, recorded on team sheet ( its a specific comp and only for the week not for the whole year?? ) its very simple and no trouble at . ive used it for 5 years and its free , ipad, phone or tablet. have a look at it - soccermeter ( one touch to record every thing, it automatically works out the info for you , and you still get to watch the game.

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Yeah that will work :lol: Coaches get to hand over stats which will determine future league placings :lol:

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Mr Red wrote:
The FFSA thought that the current set up would help even out the comp by the stronger JSL players looking to move to other clubs to get into their JPL teams.

This has had some degree of success but Im not sure it has done enough

Then in recent years there have been the new clubs coming into the FFSA that are bringing in Junior teams at JSL level that in some cases are not up to FFSA level and is having an impact also in some of the JSL score lines.

I understand the FFSA want to line up all the NPL premier league junior teams to play against other PL teams at junior levels which I believe is done in the other states and is a structure the FFA would like everyone to use. The FFSA started looking at last year and I wouldn't be surprised if its looked at again in the next off season (they might be planning for this change already for next year).
What's the FFSA level? Olympic U15s, Playford U14s?

I reckon if they were insane enough to line up juniors per seniors, half the time JPL B would be stronger than JPL A. It would be even more of a farce than the JSL thing.

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N5 1BH wrote:

be even more of a farce than the JSL thing.
I agree. :wink:

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N5 1BH wrote:I understand the FFSA want to line up all the NPL premier league junior teams to play against other PL teams at junior levels which I believe is done in the other states and is a structure the FFA would like everyone to use. The FFSA started looking at last year and I wouldn't be surprised if its looked at again in the next off season (they might be planning for this change already for next year).
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Nothing would surprise me with those muppets. Yes, let's base the level a 12 year old plays at based on their A Grade. Sounds fair to me. Anything to appease the big clubs I suppose.
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N5 1BH wrote:
Mr Red wrote:
The FFSA thought that the current set up would help even out the comp by the stronger JSL players looking to move to other clubs to get into their JPL teams.

This has had some degree of success but Im not sure it has done enough

Then in recent years there have been the new clubs coming into the FFSA that are bringing in Junior teams at JSL level that in some cases are not up to FFSA level and is having an impact also in some of the JSL score lines.

I understand the FFSA want to line up all the NPL premier league junior teams to play against other PL teams at junior levels which I believe is done in the other states and is a structure the FFA would like everyone to use. The FFSA started looking at last year and I wouldn't be surprised if its looked at again in the next off season (they might be planning for this change already for next year).
What's the FFSA level? Olympic U15s, Playford U14s?

I reckon if they were insane enough to line up juniors per seniors, half the time JPL B would be stronger than JPL A. It would be even more of a farce than the JSL thing.
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Maybe the fact that 12/13-year-old kids play in full-size goals contributes to all these blow outs

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snodders6 wrote:Maybe the fact that 12/13-year-old kids play in full-size goals contributes to all these blow outs
Always makes me laugh seeing U12's playing on a full sized senior pitch. U13/U14 in the UK play on 90 x 55 yard pitches compared to 110 x 70 they play on out here. The FFSA don't even have a ruling on pitch sizes.

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