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DISCUSSION PAPER STRUCTURE OF JUNIOR BOYS COMPETITIONS IMPLEMENTATION SEASON 2014

Introduction
The National Competition Review (NCR) conducted by Football Federation Australia (FFA) in co- operation with the Football Federation SA (FFSA) was designed to review elite senior men’s clubs and league structures. This review resulted in the application of the National Premier League (NPL), which FFSA implemented in Season 2013.
A significant requirement of the NPL is for clubs to conduct junior teams across all age groups including Small Sided Football (SSF). Unlike other states, the club structure in South Australia was well established, with many clubs prior to the introduction of the NPL, fielding junior teams across all age groups including SSF.
The intended structure of the NPL was that the senior and junior teams would replicate themselves throughout all divisions. Currently the FFSA junior structures do not emulate this structure, as the clubs in the NPL do not all have junior teams in the highest divisions.
The purpose of this paper is to outline the current junior structures and to determine if these structures are meeting the needs of the NPL and importantly the development of junior football in South Australia.

Current Junior League Structures
The FFSA conduct the Junior Premier League (JPL) and Junior State League (JSL) for Under 12s, 13s, 14s, 15s, 16s and 17s age groups in addition to SSF for Under 6 to Under 11 age groups. Only clubs that participate in the NPL can nominate teams into the JPL and JSL, while the JSL is open to any club as is SSF.
The current structure of the junior leagues is outlined below:

Under 12 Blue JPL Under 13A
Under 14A Under 15A Under 16A
JUNIOR PREMIER LEAGUE (JPL)
Under 12 Red JPL Under 12 Yellow JPL        Under 13B
Under 14B Under 14C        Under 15B Under 15C        Under 16B Under 16C       Under 17A   Under 17B


JUNIOR STATE LEAGUE (JSL)
U12 Blue JSL U13 Blue JSL U14 Blue JSL
U12 Red JSL U13 Red JSL U14 Red JSL
Under 15 JSL



In accordance with these league structures teams are allocated to divisions within their age group according to a number of factors, these include:
1. Under 12 JPL teams are allocated to divisions predominantly based on their location.
2. Under 13 – 17 JPL teams are allocated to divisions based on their previous years finishing
position in the age group below and also taking into consideration the number of teams that
have nominated in each age group.
3. Under 12-15 JSL teams are allocated predominantly according to their locations but this may
vary depending upon number of teams nominated by the club in each age group and also the number of teams nominated in each age group.
Challenges of the Current Junior Structure
1. While the National Football Curriculum focus is on the development of junior players, the current structure is not conducive to encouraging teams to focus on the development of players. Due to the presence of promotion and relegation, teams are focused on gaining results, which may impact on the development of the players as a win at all cost mentality may prevail as teams try to gain promotion or avoid relegation.
2. Under the current league structure, the FFSA can not guarantee what division a team will be placed into in their age group. Although teams may have gained promotion into a particular league or avoided relegation into a lower league or remained at the same level, final positions are determined in accordance with the number of teams that nominate for each age group. This can have a very detrimental impact on clubs and players for the following reasons:
a. Certainty cannot be provided to the club or players/parents in regards to the division that a team will be placed prior to completing trials.
b. Players may leave the club because they are not playing at the level that the club had thought they were playing.
c. Coaches may leave if they are not coaching at the level that the club had intended.
3. The promotion and relegation of junior teams across all age groups and divisions can encourage and foster greater player movement. Movement of players between relegated and promoted teams.
Recommended Junior League Structure
The NCR undertaken by the FFA and the subsequent implementation of the NPL, highlighted the need for all senior clubs to have sound junior structures. The intent of the NCR was to implement junior structures that ensured that the best junior players were competing against the best junior players.
To achieve this requirement and to also address the current challenges that are being experienced under the current FFSA junior league structures, the following recommendations are being considered to be implemented as of season 2014.
All junior teams will be aligned to their Senior Team. This will create the following league structures:

a. National Premier League
• To be comprised of the 14 Senior Men’s Premier League Clubs
• Each club to nominate one team in each age U12-U16
• Under 17 age group will continue to be offered as per season 2013
• All clubs must field teams in all age groups of Small Sided Football, Under 6 to
Under 11.
• Small Sided Football will be geographically zoned into 2 divisions to prevent
excessive travel.
b. National State League
• To be comprised of the 16 Senior Men’s State League Clubs.
• Each club to nominate junior teams in accordance with the competition
requirements. Preference for each club to nominate one team in each age
group U12 -16.
• Under 17 age group will continue to be offered as per season 2013
• All clubs to field teams in small sided football as outlined in the competition requirements. Preference to field teams in all age groups Under 6 to Under 11.
• Small Sided Football will be geographically zoned into 2 divisions to prevent excessive travel.
c. FFSA Junior League
• Premier and State League clubs to field any additional junior teams in to this league.
• Clubs outside of the Premier and State Leagues may nominate teams into this league.
• Competitions to be conducted in Under 12 to Under 17 age groups
• Under 18 age group to be considered.
• Consideration will be given to zone the competition dependent on nominations.
Benefits associated with the recommended Junior League Structure
1. Certainty is provided for all stakeholders as clubs will know at the conclusion of each season where their teams will be placed. This ensures that all clubs are aware of their team’s positions at the time of conducting trials.
2. Reduces the number of teams being promoted or relegated, which in turn will reduce the player movement. Promotion and relegation is restricted to the four teams moving between the Premier and State Leagues.
3. Stability of the competition will enable the FFSA to process season fixtures earlier.
4. Enables clubs to promote a whole weekend of fixtures as the junior teams will play
against the same club as their seniors.
5. Clearly defined junior career pathway.
6. Opportunities provided for community teams to participate in the junior leagues. These
clubs are currently playing a vital role by picking up players that have not been successful in being selected for NPL and NSL Clubs.

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All junior teams will be aligned to their Senior Team. This will create the following league structures:

a. National Premier League
• To be comprised of the 14 Senior Men’s Premier League Clubs
• Each club to nominate one team in each age U12-U16
• Under 17 age group will continue to be offered as per season 2013
• All clubs must field teams in all age groups of Small Sided Football, Under 6 to
Under 11.
• Small Sided Football will be geographically zoned into 2 divisions to prevent
excessive travel.
b. National State League
• To be comprised of the 16 Senior Men’s State League Clubs.
• Each club to nominate junior teams in accordance with the competition
requirements. Preference for each club to nominate one team in each age
group U12 -16.
• Under 17 age group will continue to be offered as per season 2013
• All clubs to field teams in small sided football as outlined in the competition requirements. Preference to field teams in all age groups Under 6 to Under 11.
• Small Sided Football will be geographically zoned into 2 divisions to prevent excessive travel.
c. FFSA Junior League
• Premier and State League clubs to field any additional junior teams in to this league.
• Clubs outside of the Premier and State Leagues may nominate teams into this league.
• Competitions to be conducted in Under 12 to Under 17 age groups
• Under 18 age group to be considered.
• Consideration will be given to zone the competition dependent on nominations.
Benefits associated with the recommended Junior League Structure
1. Certainty is provided for all stakeholders as clubs will know at the conclusion of each season where their teams will be placed. This ensures that all clubs are aware of their team’s positions at the time of conducting trials.
2. Reduces the number of teams being promoted or relegated, which in turn will reduce the player movement. Promotion and relegation is restricted to the four teams moving between the Premier and State Leagues.
3. Stability of the competition will enable the FFSA to process season fixtures earlier.
4. Enables clubs to promote a whole weekend of fixtures as the junior teams will play
against the same club as their seniors.
5. Clearly defined junior career pathway.
6. Opportunities provided for community teams to participate in the junior leagues. These
clubs are currently playing a vital role by picking up players that have not been successful in being selected for NPL and NSL Clubs.
Here, here .... its got my vote !!!
This is how it was in the "good ol' days", and nothing wrong with it

Only people that might complain are 'some' State league clubs
Spot Željko Jurin Jnr ......

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When will the final decision be made...Guess it needs to be soon so people know whats going on next season with their team.

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I think its decided, just want some feedback from clubs

Surely there wouldnt be too many complaints, only a couple of State League clubs might have a whinge
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The not mentioned 'elephant in the room' is that it will be a 30 round comp for the juniors if they follow the senior setup. This will present some challenges.....

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Željko Jurin wrote:
All junior teams will be aligned to their Senior Team. This will create the following league structures:

a. National Premier League
• To be comprised of the 14 Senior Men’s Premier League Clubs
• Each club to nominate one team in each age U12-U16
• Under 17 age group will continue to be offered as per season 2013
• All clubs must field teams in all age groups of Small Sided Football, Under 6 to
Under 11.
• Small Sided Football will be geographically zoned into 2 divisions to prevent
excessive travel.
b. National State League
• To be comprised of the 16 Senior Men’s State League Clubs.
• Each club to nominate junior teams in accordance with the competition
requirements. Preference for each club to nominate one team in each age
group U12 -16.
• Under 17 age group will continue to be offered as per season 2013
• All clubs to field teams in small sided football as outlined in the competition requirements. Preference to field teams in all age groups Under 6 to Under 11.
• Small Sided Football will be geographically zoned into 2 divisions to prevent excessive travel.
c. FFSA Junior League
• Premier and State League clubs to field any additional junior teams in to this league.
• Clubs outside of the Premier and State Leagues may nominate teams into this league.
• Competitions to be conducted in Under 12 to Under 17 age groups
• Under 18 age group to be considered.
• Consideration will be given to zone the competition dependent on nominations.
Benefits associated with the recommended Junior League Structure
1. Certainty is provided for all stakeholders as clubs will know at the conclusion of each season where their teams will be placed. This ensures that all clubs are aware of their team’s positions at the time of conducting trials.
2. Reduces the number of teams being promoted or relegated, which in turn will reduce the player movement. Promotion and relegation is restricted to the four teams moving between the Premier and State Leagues.
3. Stability of the competition will enable the FFSA to process season fixtures earlier.
4. Enables clubs to promote a whole weekend of fixtures as the junior teams will play
against the same club as their seniors.
5. Clearly defined junior career pathway.
6. Opportunities provided for community teams to participate in the junior leagues. These
clubs are currently playing a vital role by picking up players that have not been successful in being selected for NPL and NSL Clubs.
Here, here .... its got my vote !!!
This is how it was in the "good ol' days", and nothing wrong with it

Only people that might complain are 'some' State league clubs
I wonder what you would think if Raiders suddenly found themselves relegated into the State League? Would you think the same then?

This might be good for the Premier League clubs but not good for the state league clubs. Why should the juniors suffer for where their mens team is today? Some state league clubs have some very excellent junior teams coming through, now those players will more than likely want to leave their club in the hope to become part of a Premier League club. How can clubs in the state league compete with that? They are already trying their hardest in tough economic times and this is just another blow to them. A sad day I think! :( :( :(

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Željko Jurin wrote: I think its decided, just want some feedback from clubs

Surely there wouldnt be too many complaints, only a couple of State League clubs might have a whinge
I thought it was still being consulted on I did not realise the decision had been made!!!!

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Željko Jurin wrote:I think its decided, just want some feedback from clubs

Surely there wouldn't be too many complaints, only a couple of State League clubs might have a whinge
shocking statement. Every state league club would whinge. They would lose 90% of their juniors. Kids/Parents WANT to play in the highest divisions at junior level for their kids to develop against quality players. What is the point of having an elite junior play against kids below his level and dominate? I understand that people want to get away from this win at all costs ideology in the junior set ups, but the fact is to playing in the highest divisions is predominantly the only way clubs keep hold of their best juniors.

This set up completely deplete state league teams.

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So for example next year the (Junior) NPL will be;

1 Metrostars
2 Adelaide Blue Eagles
3 Adelaide City
4 Campbelltown City
5 Raiders
6 Cumberland United
7 Western Strikers
8 West Torrens Birkalla
9 Para Hills Knights
10 White City
11 Croydon Kings
12 Adelaide Comets
13 West Adelaide
14 South Adelaide

The (Junior) NSL will be;

1 Enfield
2 Cobras
3 Pirates
4 Modbury
5 Adelaide Olympic
6 Salisbury United
7 Noarlunga United
8 Adelaide Hills
9 Playford City
10 Western Toros
11 Seaford
12 Eastern United
13 Northern Demons
14 The Cove FC
15 Sturt Lions
16 Gawler

Meaning a 26 round and 30 round junior comps?
Does this mean the Junior comps will also start early following the seniors?

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matty2323 wrote:
Željko Jurin wrote:I think its decided, just want some feedback from clubs

Surely there wouldn't be too many complaints, only a couple of State League clubs might have a whinge
shocking statement. Every state league club would whinge. They would lose 90% of their juniors. Kids/Parents WANT to play in the highest divisions at junior level for their kids to develop against quality players. What is the point of having an elite junior play against kids below his level and dominate? I understand that people want to get away from this win at all costs ideology in the junior set ups, but the fact is to playing in the highest divisions is predominantly the only way clubs keep hold of their best juniors.

This set up completely deplete state league teams.


Matty here is some homework for you, please go over all age groups from 12-17 and please show us all how many State League teams are in the As right now and would lose their status in that league, dropping to the new proposed B league as such. Then we will actually see how many teams are affected along your claims.

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The moyesiah wrote:
matty2323 wrote:
Željko Jurin wrote:I think its decided, just want some feedback from clubs

Surely there wouldn't be too many complaints, only a couple of State League clubs might have a whinge
shocking statement. Every state league club would whinge. They would lose 90% of their juniors. Kids/Parents WANT to play in the highest divisions at junior level for their kids to develop against quality players. What is the point of having an elite junior play against kids below his level and dominate? I understand that people want to get away from this win at all costs ideology in the junior set ups, but the fact is to playing in the highest divisions is predominantly the only way clubs keep hold of their best juniors.

This set up completely deplete state league teams.


Matty here is some homework for you, please go over all age groups from 12-17 and please show us all how many State League teams are in the As right now and would lose their status in that league, dropping to the new proposed B league as such. Then we will actually see how many teams are affected along your claims.

Here you go I did it for you

U13 - Salisbury United - nearly relegated anyway
U14 - Enfield 4th, Cove - relegated anyway
U15 - None
U16 - Playford, Comets - both nearly relegated anyway
U17 - Enfield, Salisbury United, Seaford

I don't see a lot of these players going else where, many had bad seasons anyway and are possibly already looking to leave to better teams so that argument is silly. All other club teams were in Bs or Cs so really this will not change for most club teams.

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Except you have forgotten to include those "B" teams who would have gotten promoted to the A's.

And "nearly relegated" isnt relegated is it????

Dont those players deserve the opportunity to play again in the As?

And I am thanking my lucky stars my son doesnt play juniors anymore.

I can forsee a lot of "club hopping" next year!
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The moyesiah wrote:
matty2323 wrote:
Željko Jurin wrote:I think its decided, just want some feedback from clubs

Surely there wouldn't be too many complaints, only a couple of State League clubs might have a whinge
shocking statement. Every state league club would whinge. They would lose 90% of their juniors. Kids/Parents WANT to play in the highest divisions at junior level for their kids to develop against quality players. What is the point of having an elite junior play against kids below his level and dominate? I understand that people want to get away from this win at all costs ideology in the junior set ups, but the fact is to playing in the highest divisions is predominantly the only way clubs keep hold of their best juniors.

This set up completely deplete state league teams.


Matty here is some homework for you, please go over all age groups from 12-17 and please show us all how many State League teams are in the As right now and would lose their status in that league, dropping to the new proposed B league as such. Then we will actually see how many teams are affected along your claims.
Yes, i agree, and this should already be a worrying sign. I know as coach of an u14's side 3 years ago that we got relegated to the B division and lost 9 of our 14 players to A divisions clubs. We had to bring in 9 new players, and were fortunate enough the B division was incredibly poor and we won promotion from the 15's (along with Metro Stars). Most clubs aren't so lucky, and the minute they lose that "A" status their players leave and that age group forever remains in the lower division.

My u12's this season will finish 2nd behind an extremely strong Raiders side in a very poor division, yet we face the prospect of competing in the same league again next season. IF i managed to keep all my players, what good would it do after 30 games to have scored 300 goals and won every game? In my opinion, all this will do is widen the gap between the divisions and the clubs.

The system/set up is fine, it works world wide, the trick is educating coaches/clubs on the importance of development. All a PL club will have to do now is wait for the good players at SL level to role up on their doorstep once they realise the SL is technically "division 2".

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Željko Jurin wrote:
All junior teams will be aligned to their Senior Team. This will create the following league structures:

a. National Premier League
• To be comprised of the 14 Senior Men’s Premier League Clubs
• Each club to nominate one team in each age U12-U16
• Under 17 age group will continue to be offered as per season 2013
• All clubs must field teams in all age groups of Small Sided Football, Under 6 to
Under 11.
• Small Sided Football will be geographically zoned into 2 divisions to prevent
excessive travel.
b. National State League
• To be comprised of the 16 Senior Men’s State League Clubs.
• Each club to nominate junior teams in accordance with the competition
requirements. Preference for each club to nominate one team in each age
group U12 -16.
• Under 17 age group will continue to be offered as per season 2013
• All clubs to field teams in small sided football as outlined in the competition requirements. Preference to field teams in all age groups Under 6 to Under 11.
• Small Sided Football will be geographically zoned into 2 divisions to prevent excessive travel.
c. FFSA Junior League
• Premier and State League clubs to field any additional junior teams in to this league.
• Clubs outside of the Premier and State Leagues may nominate teams into this league.
• Competitions to be conducted in Under 12 to Under 17 age groups
• Under 18 age group to be considered.
• Consideration will be given to zone the competition dependent on nominations.
Benefits associated with the recommended Junior League Structure
1. Certainty is provided for all stakeholders as clubs will know at the conclusion of each season where their teams will be placed. This ensures that all clubs are aware of their team’s positions at the time of conducting trials.
2. Reduces the number of teams being promoted or relegated, which in turn will reduce the player movement. Promotion and relegation is restricted to the four teams moving between the Premier and State Leagues.
3. Stability of the competition will enable the FFSA to process season fixtures earlier.
4. Enables clubs to promote a whole weekend of fixtures as the junior teams will play
against the same club as their seniors.
5. Clearly defined junior career pathway.
6. Opportunities provided for community teams to participate in the junior leagues. These
clubs are currently playing a vital role by picking up players that have not been successful in being selected for NPL and NSL Clubs.
Here, here .... its got my vote !!!
This is how it was in the "good ol' days", and nothing wrong with it

Only people that might complain are 'some' State league clubs

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Maybe everyone doesn't adore AUFC

Last time I checked it's not an AUFC supporters only forum

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The moyesiah wrote:
Here you go I did it for you

U13 - Salisbury United - nearly relegated anyway
U14 - Enfield 4th, Cove - relegated anyway
U15 - None
U16 - Playford, Comets - both nearly relegated anyway
U17 - Enfield, Salisbury United, Seaford

I don't see a lot of these players going else where, many had bad seasons anyway and are possibly already looking to leave to better teams so that argument is silly. All other club teams were in Bs or Cs so really this will not change for most club teams.
You want to know why this happens? because the minute a club loses "A" division status, they lose their best talent. (human nature for kids/parents to want to participate in the top leagues). If they cant find replacements, there is a filter on effect within the entire club, pushing players up age groups. This then WEAKENS the entire club... including the Senior set up and the introduction of a points system, because if you're no longer capable of producing your own talent, you are required to spend extra points bringing in outside players.

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on-side wrote:Except you have forgotten to include those "B" teams who would have gotten promoted to the A's.

And "nearly relegated" isnt relegated is it????

Dont those players deserve the opportunity to play again in the As?

And I am thanking my lucky stars my son doesnt play juniors anymore.

I can forsee a lot of "club hopping" next year!

U13 - none
U14 - none
U15 - Salisbury United
U16 - possibly Gawler

wow one club team

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Th reverse of mattys comment is that a u12 team that played in the central division this year which is by far the toughest league and finishes middle or even bottom will play in the B or even C division next year. There players will also leave and go hunting for A division football next year.

So the current process is also not so brilliant!!!!!

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The moyesiah wrote:
on-side wrote:Except you have forgotten to include those "B" teams who would have gotten promoted to the A's.

And "nearly relegated" isnt relegated is it????

Dont those players deserve the opportunity to play again in the As?

And I am thanking my lucky stars my son doesnt play juniors anymore.

I can forsee a lot of "club hopping" next year!

U13 - none
U14 - none
U15 - Salisbury United
U16 - possibly Gawler

wow one club team
Well you wouldnt be so dismissive if your son or daughter played in the team would you??

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Yes, i agree, and this should already be a worrying sign. I know as coach of an u14's side 3 years ago that we got relegated to the B division and lost 9 of our 14 players to A divisions clubs. We had to bring in 9 new players, and were fortunate enough the B division was incredibly poor and we won promotion from the 15's (along with Metro Stars). Most clubs aren't so lucky, and the minute they lose that "A" status their players leave and that age group forever remains in the lower division.

My u12's this season will finish 2nd behind an extremely strong Raiders side in a very poor division, yet we face the prospect of competing in the same league again next season. IF i managed to keep all my players, what good would it do after 30 games to have scored 300 goals and won every game? In my opinion, all this will do is widen the gap between the divisions and the clubs.

The system/set up is fine, it works world wide, the trick is educating coaches/clubs on the importance of development. All a PL club will have to do now is wait for the good players at SL level to role up on their doorstep once they realise the SL is technically "division 2".[/quote]


Well said Matty! you are so right it would be unfair and detrimental to your teams development not to play against the better teams from the other zones next year.

Our attraction at our club has been that we play in the highest junior competition in the state, if you take that away from us, well, it feels like we might as well pack up now and go find another club. However we love our club no matter what but should we stay if it is to the detriment of our childs development?

Also the FFSA Junior League that will comprise of the clubs that have second teams and those that do not have senior mens teams, appears that it might be a better standard than clubs in the new Junior State League. Sorry to name clubs but it would be better for our club to play Adelaide City's or Metro Stars second team rather than play Western Toros. So tell me how this helps new State League junior teams with their development? it is crazy? just because a few coaches want to "win at all costs", its rubbish that the rest of us have to suffer. :oops:

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BOING BOING wrote:Th reverse of mattys comment is that a u12 team that played in the central division this year which is by far the toughest league and finishes middle or even bottom will play in the B or even C division next year. There players will also leave and go hunting for A division football next year.

So the current process is also not so brilliant!!!!!
I agree that the central division is strong due to every team being well equipped to field good teams. But Raiders proved they're the best team in the age group with their cup win. We made it to the QFs etc. That is why they normally take the top 3-4 from each division, because although the other "zones" aren't as strong as the central zone, normally the top 1-2 sides are strong sides. Is the current system flawed? yes. But at the same time, at least its dependent on how that particular age group is performing, and not on a senior set up.

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on-side wrote:
The moyesiah wrote:
on-side wrote:Except you have forgotten to include those "B" teams who would have gotten promoted to the A's.

And "nearly relegated" isnt relegated is it????

Dont those players deserve the opportunity to play again in the As?

And I am thanking my lucky stars my son doesnt play juniors anymore.

I can forsee a lot of "club hopping" next year!

U13 - none
U14 - none
U15 - Salisbury United
U16 - possibly Gawler

wow one club team
Well you wouldnt be so dismissive if your son or daughter played in the team would you??
If my son or daughter was any good, they will be spotted at any club. Maybe the coach at that State team is better than the coach at the Premier league, this is not a keep everyone happy but I think it will not affect the majority.

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Oh yes thats right - spotting junior talent in this state works so well!!!

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The moyesiah wrote:
on-side wrote:Except you have forgotten to include those "B" teams who would have gotten promoted to the A's.

And "nearly relegated" isnt relegated is it????

Dont those players deserve the opportunity to play again in the As?

And I am thanking my lucky stars my son doesnt play juniors anymore.

I can forsee a lot of "club hopping" next year!

U13 - none
U14 - none
U15 - Salisbury United
U16 - possibly Gawler

wow one club team
Go have a watch of State League senior set ups. Come out to Playford to watch the reserve side. Due to lack of depth at the club and the flow on effect of promoting players, 12 of the 16 players currently playing reserves are eligible for u16s. A few are eligible for u15s. The 18's squad consists of 15's and 16's playing 2 games a weekend. I know most other state league clubs are in similar positions. So while the "big clubs" have the luxury of having age appropriate players at each age group due to strong depth at their clubs, other clubs are significantly weakened. If the strong state league clubs were to play their juniors in their actual age groups, you would see very different league standings.

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The moyesiah wrote:
If my son or daughter was any good, they will be spotted at any club. Maybe the coach at that State team is better than the coach at the Premier league, this is not a keep everyone happy but I think it will not affect the majority.
Cant argue with this. They more then likely would be spotted once they hit 14-15 years old. The coach may be better and that will certainly help with their development. But will walking around on a pitch, playing at half pace and dribbling the team and winning 10-0 every weekend help your son or daughter? probably not. And if this is introduced, most of the good coaches at state league clubs will move to premier league clubs where they have the chance to work with talented youngsters.

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lots of club hopping will happen...

watch fees go up for juniors at premier league clubs.

I suspect a few good coaches will be looking for new clubs.

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most parents wont even know and clubs wont tell them just like when the JSL came in

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what about the Premier league clubs that struggled this year, there are many that were thumped, they will no go to even stronger leagues to get more thumped, oh I forgot these teams are going to have cream of the crop now to choose.......

Players move to clubs, not always the league, I can vouch for that, my son played in a State league junior team a few years back, they were in the As, yet they couldn't recruit because of their senior status, not junior status. He left that club in the end to go to a Premier league club, but guess what, the team he went to were in a lower division. So at the end of the day, I think players go to the senior side of things as they get older, so really nothing is going to change, as kids with talent get older they all search out the big clubs to play the best leagues.

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So the stronger clubs are going to get stronger while the weaker clubs get weaker and perhaps even disappear?

Is this what FFSA want?

Think about Croydon who won the league last season and this year were facing relegation at one point? Would that be fair for suddenly all of Croydon's juniors be relegated to the State League just becuase their senior mens team had a not so good year.

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The moyesiah wrote:what about the Premier league clubs that struggled this year, there are many that were thumped, they will no go to even stronger leagues to get more thumped, oh I forgot these teams are going to have cream of the crop now to choose.......

Players move to clubs, not always the league, I can vouch for that, my son played in a State league junior team a few years back, they were in the As, yet they couldn't recruit because of their senior status, not junior status. He left that club in the end to go to a Premier league club, but guess what, the team he went to were in a lower division. So at the end of the day, I think players go to the senior side of things as they get older, so really nothing is going to change, as kids with talent get older they all search out the big clubs to play the best leagues.
And that's because most PL clubs are well funded. Go through current PL sides and see how many played junior at that club. You'll struggle to find 3-4 players per club. Go through State League set ups and look at their first teams. Its closer to 7-8. At Playford, its closer to 14-16 of the first team squad. You're taking this away from state league clubs by almost "forcing" parents to have to take their child to Premier League clubs. State League clubs understand that their elite may move on once they hit 17-18 years old, thats the cost of not playing top level football at senior level. But two or three will show loyalty and stay, and those 2 or 3 can be used to build a squad around.

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Does it really matter what league your juniors play in as long as the coaching staff are developing players......? I have learned that in the lower leagues there are some challenges you have to come accross when trying to develop players and teams, but in general, development will occur if managed correctly in any league when win at all costs is removed.

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