Very Interesting Today On The Radio

[Redflag1]

a grand for an Under 8's. I don't know who's more stupid, the club for trying to justify that or the parent for paying it.

It does seem to be confusing to a lot of people.

Simple break down -

1) Find more than one option - federation, amateur, school, different sport, etc

2) Get the price and ask what is included.

3) Don't agree with the cost? Shop around.

The customer does not need JD's socialism for controlled pricing, just be smarter consumer.

It's really that simple.

I wonder if those complaining even have kids, or whether they use the same arguments with their electricity, ESL, etc.

Easy in the North plenty of other options, but is it really that easy in the East?

[Stitch This]

Clubs will never tell parents that 25% of their fees goes to Seniors as it simply doesn’t work like that.

The bloke down the pub told me that it's closer to 100% and that every NPL player is on a minimum of $1000 a week!

[Robbo]

What does the FFSA charge per player for registration and insurance ? Referees, strips, coach and floodlights add to the cost.. but wow $800 to $1000 to play soccer ? Just makin it easier for AFL to grow in junior ranks

[Victoria's Secret]

RE the coaches being paid. Doe sit men a club is getting the best coaches?

I have no facts to back anything up, so these are genuine question.

Do the junior trams have many people wanting to coach?
If only one person puts their hand up, are they suddenly better if they are getting paid or if they volunteered?
Would the same coaches do it for free?
Are all the coaches parents of a child in the team?

[fball12]

I heard on the radio today 891 ABC, a discussion on fees. Focussed on Campbelltown's almost $1000 for U8's. It can be listened to again, from the 891 website.

http://www.abc.net.au/adelaide/programs ... fternoons/

All coaches are paid, juniors and seniors. And fees are the same for juniors and seniors, all the same. They discussed how the juniors does subsidise seniors.

I am not going to give my view, but would welcome other's after they have listened to the Campbelltown chairman and Michael Carter amongst others.

The only way to verify that these clubs need to charge $1000 for every junior player is for the clubs to publish their financial statements for all to see, especially a detailed breakdown of expenses. Only then will the truth about having to charge so much be justified or not.

The clubs should breakdown all costs - senior players wages, electricity, water, coaches fees, etc.

FFSA should force all clubs to publish Profit & Loss statements every year as part of their licence agreement.. After all, clubs are supposed to be Not for Profit organisations or are they?

[fball12]

I heard on the radio today 891 ABC, a discussion on fees. Focussed on Campbelltown's almost $1000 for U8's. It can be listened to again, from the 891 website.

http://www.abc.net.au/adelaide/programs ... fternoons/

All coaches are paid, juniors and seniors. And fees are the same for juniors and seniors, all the same. They discussed how the juniors does subsidise seniors.

I am not going to give my view, but would welcome other's after they have listened to the Campbelltown chairman and Michael Carter amongst others.

The only way to verify that these clubs need to charge $1000 for every junior player is for the clubs to publish their financial statements for all to see, especially a detailed breakdown of expenses. Only then will the truth about having to charge so much be justified or not.

The clubs should breakdown all costs - senior players wages, electricity, water, coaches fees, etc.

FFSA should force all clubs to publish Profit & Loss statements every year as part of their licence agreement.. After all, clubs are supposed to be Not for Profit organisations or are they?

[Victoria's Secret]

I heard on the radio today 891 ABC, a discussion on fees. Focussed on Campbelltown's almost $1000 for U8's. It can be listened to again, from the 891 website.

http://www.abc.net.au/adelaide/programs ... fternoons/

All coaches are paid, juniors and seniors. And fees are the same for juniors and seniors, all the same. They discussed how the juniors does subsidise seniors.

I am not going to give my view, but would welcome other's after they have listened to the Campbelltown chairman and Michael Carter amongst others.

The only way to verify that these clubs need to charge $1000 for every junior player is for the clubs to publish their financial statements for all to see, especially a detailed breakdown of expenses. Only then will the truth about having to charge so much be justified or not.

The clubs should breakdown all costs - senior players wages, electricity, water, coaches fees, etc.

FFSA should force all clubs to publish Profit & Loss statements every year as part of their licence agreement.. After all, clubs are supposed to be Not for Profit organisations or are they?

Don't all clubs have to provide this at an AGM?

[geoff9559]

What AGM??? There's a number of clubs who dont have agms due to their constitution or whatever its called that they submit to the ffsa. No treasurers reports either in some cases. Cheers geoff9559

[God is an Englishman]

a grand for an Under 8's. I don't know who's more stupid, the club for trying to justify that or the parent for paying it.

It does seem to be confusing to a lot of people.

Simple break down -

1) Find more than one option - federation, amateur, school, different sport, etc

2) Get the price and ask what is included.

3) Don't agree with the cost? Shop around.

The customer does not need JD's socialism for controlled pricing, just be smarter consumer.

It's really that simple.

I wonder if those complaining even have kids, or whether they use the same arguments with their electricity, ESL, etc.

So, which one is more stupid?

[God is an Englishman]

I heard on the radio today 891 ABC, a discussion on fees. Focussed on Campbelltown's almost $1000 for U8's. It can be listened to again, from the 891 website.

http://www.abc.net.au/adelaide/programs ... fternoons/

All coaches are paid, juniors and seniors. And fees are the same for juniors and seniors, all the same. They discussed how the juniors does subsidise seniors.

I am not going to give my view, but would welcome other's after they have listened to the Campbelltown chairman and Michael Carter amongst others.

The only way to verify that these clubs need to charge $1000 for every junior player is for the clubs to publish their financial statements for all to see, especially a detailed breakdown of expenses. Only then will the truth about having to charge so much be justified or not.

The clubs should breakdown all costs - senior players wages, electricity, water, coaches fees, etc.

FFSA should force all clubs to publish Profit & Loss statements every year as part of their licence agreement.. After all, clubs are supposed to be Not for Profit organisations or are they?

Don't all clubs have to provide this at an AGM?

Can't remember ever receiving an invite to my son's club's AGM.

[fball12]

I heard on the radio today 891 ABC, a discussion on fees. Focussed on Campbelltown's almost $1000 for U8's. It can be listened to again, from the 891 website.

http://www.abc.net.au/adelaide/programs ... fternoons/

All coaches are paid, juniors and seniors. And fees are the same for juniors and seniors, all the same. They discussed how the juniors does subsidise seniors.

I am not going to give my view, but would welcome other's after they have listened to the Campbelltown chairman and Michael Carter amongst others.

The only way to verify that these clubs need to charge $1000 for every junior player is for the clubs to publish their financial statements for all to see, especially a detailed breakdown of expenses. Only then will the truth about having to charge so much be justified or not.

The clubs should breakdown all costs - senior players wages, electricity, water, coaches fees, etc.

FFSA should force all clubs to publish Profit & Loss statements every year as part of their licence agreement.. After all, clubs are supposed to be Not for Profit organisations or are they?

Don't all clubs have to provide this at an AGM?

I have never seen financial statements.

[Steve#4]

How many training sessions were cancelled this year (7 months soccer season - give or take a few weeks for pre-season)? I heard Campbelltown didn't play for more than just a few weeks due to bad pitch. The younger teams only train once, maybe twice a week not 3 (correct me if I'm wrong) - so your reasoning and comparison to swimming is a little off.

As are your comments.

The equation is very simple.

The costs of running a club are high despite a huge volunteer input.
No-one is getting rich from doing it.
If people want to argue or continually nit pick minor details then get up off up your arse start your own club and show us how it's all done if it's that faaaaaaarken easy.

Enough already.

A few clubs have in the last few years and made a fair fist of it as well.

Then the more senior clubs weild their powers making it tough to kerp the better juniors.... You know what I mean. ;)

[BeNatural]

What does the FFSA charge per player for registration and insurance ? Referees, strips, coach and floodlights add to the cost.. but wow $800 to $1000 to play soccer ? Just makin it easier for AFL to grow in junior ranks

Quite the opposite. It hasn't made AFL participation increase strong my over the last decade compared to our football.

Reason?

Clubs like yours are alternative options to play the game at a lower cost.
It's the public v private school comparison.

So while there are alternatives to play at clubs with cheaper fees, our sport still continues to grow in numbers.

[Nice One Cyril]

Can't remember ever receiving an invite to my son's club's AGM.

At most clubs, unless you're actually a member, you wouldn't get invited, being a parent doesn't necessarily qualify you.

[Tzon]

Shoot goal

But it was free in the 1970's playing JPL for Hellas.
We played at Lockleys Oval before ParkB27 was developed.

[God is an Englishman]

Can't remember ever receiving an invite to my son's club's AGM.

At most clubs, unless you're actually a member, you wouldn't get invited, being a parent doesn't necessarily qualify you.

Surely the parent is the member, or do they expect the Under 8's at Cambelltown to turn up and discuss the finances at the AGM?

[Pie and Bovril]

AGM's are good because it gives the chance for whinging parents to come along and see exactly where the money goes and what hurdles the club has.

[BeNatural]

Can't remember ever receiving an invite to my son's club's AGM.

Well then your sons club is not providing the information to its members then.

All clubs I've been with have notified their members via letter or email or a flyer handed out through the team manager. Generally also posters around clubrooms.

[God is an Englishman]

AGM's are good because it gives the chance for whinging parents to come along and see exactly where the money goes and what hurdles the club has.

Why can some clubs run at a lot less costs than others?

Why is E&D so much cheaper than FFSA?

Why can you run an Amateur Senior club so much cheaper than a Federation Juniors?

[God is an Englishman]

Can't remember ever receiving an invite to my son's club's AGM.

Well then your sons club is not providing the information to its members then.

All clubs I've been with have notified their members via letter or email or a flyer handed out through the team manager. Generally also posters around clubrooms.

An ex committee member actually contacted me on that back of this and explained that he believes my ex wife would have got the invite as they would have gone via email and as she registered my son, she was the contact.

I am happy with this explanation.

[COLOSSUS]

Shoot goal

But it was free in the 1970's playing JPL for Hellas.
We played at Lockleys Oval before ParkB27 was developed.

In the 70s, petrol was 18c per litre, bottled water didn't exist and milk was delivered to your front door in glass bottles for a pittance. You PEANUT, you have NFI

[Paleon Patros Germanos]

Can't remember ever receiving an invite to my son's club's AGM.

Well then your sons club is not providing the information to its members then.

All clubs I've been with have notified their members via letter or email or a flyer handed out through the team manager. Generally also posters around clubrooms.

He hasn't said that he is a full financial member of the club per its constitution

[general]

Here we go again...

Play football for most year around 3 times a week for say $800 inc uniform.

Or do swimming lessons for $210 a term for 30mins a week with no uniform. So $840 a year for probably 100+ hours less

Or play basketball - 2 seasons per year. $550 each season. Plus compulsory uniforms. Plus $5 per game fee for players and each spectator.

Can't wait for my kids to one day stop going swimming and playing basketball and play football instead.

I'm an advocate for football being a value for money sport in comparison to others, but $995 in fees for Under 8's, well there is simply no justification for that. At that age they are not playing on a full size pitch, the matches only go for 30mins or so, and for those young age groups, some clubs only train once a week.

IMO that is excessive.

But if parents are willing to pay $995 for their 7 year old kids to play at Campbelltown, then that's their choice.

Reality is
I have asked committee people for breakdowns

Each kid is costed at about $600 plus gst
To break even
All kids from 6-12 pay scaled 450-650
Which means club loses money
1000 may be excessive for 6-9
But should be 750 to at least give 100 per player

If running a business should work on about 30%

Reality unless tv right get distributed to clubs and federations stop double dipping on fees regos coach courses etc

And imagine if volunteers stopped helping which is about 10 years away

Clubs will always be struggling and hence producing low standards

So people who complain

Are not true soccer people

And mind you are probably paying $10 for a hot dog at Adelaide oval watching the very sport who is preventing the greatest sport on world to actually catch up to the rest of the world

[The Bluehearts]

I for one can say I have never spent $10 on a hotdog at Adelaide oval.

[magnet]

AGM's are good because it gives the chance for whinging parents to come along and see exactly where the money goes and what hurdles the club has.

Why can some clubs run at a lot less costs than others?

Why is E&D so much cheaper than FFSA?

Why can you run an Amateur Senior club so much cheaper than a Federation Juniors?

I'm not associated with Campbelltown but paying their coaches would have a big impact. Amateur Seniors won't get paid so that's a saving. FFSA fees higher. I only know that the financial statements given out at the AGM show exactly where the money goes. I can confirm that the club makes no profit.

[Just-Me]

Too many people on here trying to justify cost. $1000 for U8 is not acceptable and simply criminal. Instead of justifying cost why not discuss ways to fix this.
Let me start

1. Pitches at most clubs are overused. Space is difficult to find at most times.

Do u8's need to train under-lights. Can they train on a weekend or after-school.

2. Zoning for players. Currently we have a free market. Anyone can play anywhere, which is resulting in regular strong clubs and weak clubs. Zoning and the point system will eliminate players traveling from one side of town to the other.

3. Amateur players receiving payments? Why the hell would you pay an amateur player? Is winning that important? What does a club really receive rather than bragging rights?

There are clubs that pay huge dollars to players way outside their area in order to boost the team quality. Local players miss out playing. Isn't an amateurs club number one priority to serve the local community.

4. New playing tops and training tops. Do we really need them?

5. Tracksuits and club bags- Yes they look great but again are they necessary?

I can go on but truth be told most here would rather provide justification to high fees rather than solutions. Bag John D all you want, on this he is right. Cost have risen but so have wages. In football cost have risen too much because clubs just want greater bragging rights. These bragging rights come at a huge cost and our destroying our game.

[Raich Carter]

AGM's are good because it gives the chance for whinging parents to come along and see exactly where the money goes and what hurdles the club has.

Why can some clubs run at a lot less costs than others?

Why is E&D so much cheaper than FFSA?

Why can you run an Amateur Senior club so much cheaper than a Federation Juniors?

I'm not associated with Campbelltown but paying their coaches would have a big impact. Amateur Seniors won't get paid so that's a saving. FFSA fees higher. I only know that the financial statements given out at the AGM show exactly where the money goes. I can confirm that the club makes no profit.

See bold = delusional

[magnet]

See bold = delusional

do they get paid?

[Just-Me]

I'm not associated with Campbelltown but paying their coaches would have a big impact. Amateur Seniors won't get paid so that's a saving. FFSA fees higher. I only know that the financial statements given out at the AGM show exactly where the money goes. I can confirm that the club makes no profit.

Nor does our government but it does not mean they are using our taxes effectively.

[Ricky Tan]

Seems to be a hell of a lot of whinging on here about these “excessive fees.”

Someone said it right earlier – to those of you complaining, go form your own team/club and step into the shoes of the people who actually do or try to look after the best interests of their club, by providing a very good standard of coaching, facilities and services to their players.

There is an option for everyone in this world, regardless of the cost, just like public and private schools. Some private schools charge in excess of $26,000 a year compared to public which is a fraction of the cost! But that’s another story however no one whinges about that now do they….

Like the president of Campbelltown said, it works out to about $15 a week for a player to be at the club. I know I would make the sacrifice to allow my son to play if he really wanted too, but others won’t and would rather whinge about how a club runs their business. Plenty of clubs out there to choose from!