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Shoot goal

Good morning.
I have been banned twice for bringing this important topic for discussion because I keep posting in wrong threads started by other users, thus ignoring forumites.

I bumped into an old Adelaide NSL great recently and this was a topic we discussed.

What was obvious that today in the FFSA NPL crowds are low and prize money is very, very low compared to the good old days of pre NSL .

Q: What are the solutions to bring back better sustainability for local clubs?
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johndedes wrote:Shoot goal


Q: What are the solutions to bring back better sustainability for local clubs?
Sustainability is up to the clubs themselves and the budgets they impose fully aware of how much they'll earn if they win the trophy they invest in.

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johndedes wrote:Shoot goal

Good morning.
I have been banned twice for bringing this important topic for discussion because I keep posting in wrong threads started by other users, thus ignoring forumites.
I bumped into an old Adelaide NSL great recently and this was a topic we discussed.

What was obvious that today in the FFSA NPL crowds are low and prize money is very, very low compared to the good old days of pre NSL .

Q: What are the solutions to bring back better sustainability for local clubs?
what was the prizemoney back in the 70's ???

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Lucas Leiva wrote:
johndedes wrote:Shoot goal


Q: What are the solutions to bring back better sustainability for local clubs?
Sustainability is up to the clubs themselves and the budgets they impose fully aware of how much they'll earn if they win the trophy they invest in.
Certainly the prize money is small percentage of the wages spent on players to win it, and the PPS has done little to change this.

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bloodypassit wrote:
johndedes wrote:Shoot goal

Good morning.
I have been banned twice for bringing this important topic for discussion because I keep posting in wrong threads started by other users, thus ignoring forumites.
I bumped into an old Adelaide NSL great recently and this was a topic we discussed.

What was obvious that today in the FFSA NPL crowds are low and prize money is very, very low compared to the good old days of pre NSL .

Q: What are the solutions to bring back better sustainability for local clubs?
what was the prizemoney back in the 70's ???
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johndedes wrote:Shoot goal

Good morning.
I have been banned twice for bringing this important topic for discussion because I keep posting in wrong threads started by other users, thus ignoring forumites.
I bumped into an old Adelaide NSL great recently and this was a topic we discussed.

What was obvious that today in the FFSA NPL crowds are low and prize money is very, very low compared to the good old days of pre NSL .

Q: What are the solutions to bring back better sustainability for local clubs?
TBF there are less of the Shady and unscrupulous characters who used
the clubs to launder their money, like The Good Old days.
X marks the spot.

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Shoot goal

I was after some data from the fn gurus, FFSA gurus etc to the topic?

Ok if you remember the Ampol Cup Night series pre NSL .
Data I have is the championship prize available to the winning club was approx the value of a courtyard block say in the north western close city suburbs eg $225,000 approx today.
Crowds were obviously larger back then.

If you remember early 1990's ethnic name ban came in and also new sponsor " West End" and the prize money was larger then than today . When I say larger compare what you can buy then than now with the prize money . Eg late 1960's you could buy a house on a quarter acre block in Croydon Park for approx $9,000.

So just some simple maths shows today prize money for say a FFSA championship should be at least $250,000 to the winner minimum.

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johndedes wrote:So just some simple maths shows today prize money for say a FFSA championship should be at least $250,000 to the winner minimum.
Get the juniors to pay for it.

Simple enough
Time for some righteous indignation

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Stitch This wrote:
johndedes wrote:So just some simple maths shows today prize money for say a FFSA championship should be at least $250,000 to the winner minimum.
Get the juniors to pay for it.

Simple enough
Shoot goal
FFSA should be today getting the sponsorship prize money??????

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johndedes wrote:So just some simple maths shows today prize money for say a FFSA championship should be at least $250,000 to the winner minimum.
JD, simple maths is using the published inflation amounts, which gives you around AUD105,000 today. It was a different world though, JD, you have to adjust your expectations to match the environment the game is operating in.............unless you are a Time Lord and have a Tardis, in which case forget everything I said, grab your sonic screwdriver and make it so.

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Stitch This wrote:
johndedes wrote:So just some simple maths shows today prize money for say a FFSA championship should be at least $250,000 to the winner minimum.
Get the juniors to pay for it.

Simple enough
Or paid for by next FFSA TV deal with Beinsport. :wink:

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Shoot goal

Ok some interesting comments but you have to agree the FFSA NPL prize money issue is super important for the future of the local game.

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johndedes wrote:Shoot goal

Ok some interesting comments but you have to agree the FFSA NPL prize money issue is super important for the future of the local game.
How is it super important for the future of the local game given that it only affects a small proportion of the total stakeholders?
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Brian the Postman wrote:
johndedes wrote:Shoot goal

Ok some interesting comments but you have to agree the FFSA NPL prize money issue is super important for the future of the local game.
How is it super important for the future of the local game given that it only affects a small proportion of the total stakeholders?
Shoot goal
It is not about winner takes all but as the old days a a tiered prize structure .

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johndedes wrote:
Brian the Postman wrote:
johndedes wrote:Shoot goal

Ok some interesting comments but you have to agree the FFSA NPL prize money issue is super important for the future of the local game.
How is it super important for the future of the local game given that it only affects a small proportion of the total stakeholders?
Shoot goal
It is not about winner takes all but as the old days a a tiered prize structure .
I didn't suggest it was, even if it was top 3 prize money that's still a very small proportion of the total stakeholders, how does this make it super important at the expense of issues such as the administration of the game, facilities, player participation rates etc?
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Shoot goal

Most if not all professional sports or say semi professional have championship prize money.

The game is not only for feathering purses at admin level .
Or charging say $800 pa for under 10 junior soccer plus plus ....

At present it all appears a kind of slave trade ????

Eg for clubs to try survive they need a high fee junior system, senior crowds are hardly there and where is the prize money????

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johndedes wrote:Shoot goal

Most if not all professional sports or say semi professional have championship prize money.

The game is not only for feathering purses at admin level .
Or charging say $800 pa for under 10 junior soccer plus plus ....

At present it all appears a kind of slave trade ????

Eg for clubs to try survive they need a high fee junior system, senior crowds are hardly there and where is the prize money????
How is it slave trade???

If you are going to post outlandish and preposterous musings at least have the balls to back it up.

No-one is forcing the clubs to charge what they charge, as no-one is forcing the junior players to play.

Where do you suggest this prize money, which only benefits a few, will come from?

Even if the prize money got to $100k, there are clubs out there that would spend $200k to get it.
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I dont think clubs consider the prise money as such. they spend what they have/can to try and win the thing. It is pride and satisfaction. Of course the prise money comes in handy for the evenutual winner, but I dioubt its a consideration.
But I believe the FFSA has down graded the comp by entering AU youth. Itis purely a training ground for AU at the established clubs cost. Therefore is it worth the cost today?
I would be considering a break away league or joing the Sunday leagues instead.

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I dont think clubs consider the prise money as such. they spend what they have/can to try and win the thing. It is pride and satisfaction. Of course the prise money comes in handy for the evenutual winner, but I dioubt its a consideration.
But I believe the FFSA has down graded the comp by entering AU youth. Itis purely a training ground for AU at the established clubs cost. Therefore is it worth the cost today?
I would be considering a break away league or joing the Sunday leagues instead.

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Soccer-Mad wrote:I dont think clubs consider the prise money as such. they spend what they have/can to try and win the thing. It is pride and satisfaction. Of course the prise money comes in handy for the evenutual winner, but I dioubt its a consideration.
But I believe the FFSA has down graded the comp by entering AU youth. Itis purely a training ground for AU at the established clubs cost. Therefore is it worth the cost today?
I would be considering a break away league or joing the Sunday leagues instead.
Was it considered downgraded when West Adelaide and Adelaide City entered their youth teams?
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Brian the Postman wrote:
Soccer-Mad wrote:I dont think clubs consider the prise money as such. they spend what they have/can to try and win the thing. It is pride and satisfaction. Of course the prise money comes in handy for the evenutual winner, but I dioubt its a consideration.
But I believe the FFSA has down graded the comp by entering AU youth. Itis purely a training ground for AU at the established clubs cost. Therefore is it worth the cost today?
I would be considering a break away league or joing the Sunday leagues instead.
Was it considered downgraded when West Adelaide and Adelaide City entered their youth teams?
Shoot goal

Wah and AC at first not allowed to stay in sasf div one in 1977.
It was the most stupid act the sasf did back then.
Ramifications are the state of the local game today. Eg no prize money, high junior fees, high admin costs etc etc
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Yes agree now that AU are in FFSA NPL it is just a training league for them thus the league is devalued.

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Sasf in the old days had prize money sponsors such as Ampol, Coca-Cola, West End.

It is up to FFSA to get prize money sponsors not clubs.

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johndedes wrote:
Brian the Postman wrote:
Soccer-Mad wrote:I dont think clubs consider the prise money as such. they spend what they have/can to try and win the thing. It is pride and satisfaction. Of course the prise money comes in handy for the evenutual winner, but I dioubt its a consideration.
But I believe the FFSA has down graded the comp by entering AU youth. Itis purely a training ground for AU at the established clubs cost. Therefore is it worth the cost today?
I would be considering a break away league or joing the Sunday leagues instead.
Was it considered downgraded when West Adelaide and Adelaide City entered their youth teams?
Shoot goal

Wah and AC at first not allowed to stay in sasf div one in 1977.
It was the most stupid act the sasf did back then.
Ramifications are the state of the local game today. Eg no prize money, high junior fees, high admin costs etc etc
So would it have been degraded then?
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Shoot goal

Brian the postman????

Your comment shows how you have not really experienced local soccer history to try move the game forward today no idea sorry mate!!!!

It was voted by one vote in the old sasf not to allow AC and Wah stay in the local Div 1 in 1977 a disgrace. Guess who voted against it???? Back then????

AC and Wah back then could have fielded two very competitive teams each in the sasf Div 1 with the over flowing player stocks they had.

Having AC and Wah stay in the local Comp from the beginning of the old NSL would have strengthed the local comp further not devalue it . AC and Wah back then had the support and finances to leverage the competition and in turn help the other local clubs by way of crowd number support at local games eg against AC and Wah etc etc.
There was dual rego for local players back then eg sasf and NSL .
The Comp was in winter dual aligned .
NSL games played on Sunday .

Today it is different not the same environment and ethnic background clubs have lost support compared to the old days.

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johndedes wrote:Shoot goal

Brian the postman????

Your comment shows how you have not really experienced local soccer history to try move the game forward today no idea sorry mate!!!!

It was voted by one vote in the old sasf not to allow AC and Wah stay in the local Div 1 in 1977 a disgrace. Guess who voted against it???? Back then????

AC and Wah back then could have fielded two very competitive teams each in the sasf Div 1 with the over flowing player stocks they had.

Having AC and Wah stay in the local Comp from the beginning of the old NSL would have strengthed the local comp further not devalue it . AC and Wah back then had the support and finances to leverage the competition and in turn help the other local clubs by way of crowd number support at local games eg against AC and Wah etc etc.
There was dual rego for local players back then eg sasf and NSL .
The Comp was in winter dual aligned .
NSL games played on Sunday .

Today it is different not the same environment and ethnic background clubs have lost support compared to the old days.
So you're advocating one set of rules for one group and one for others?

What next? AC and WA get 4 points for a win rather than 3 like everyone else?
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johndedes wrote:Shoot goal

Yes agree now that AU are in FFSA NPL it is just a training league for them thus the league is devalued.
If there's no value, why would the prize money increase?

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Slinky_Pete wrote:
johndedes wrote:Shoot goal

Yes agree now that AU are in FFSA NPL it is just a training league for them thus the league is devalued.
If there's no value, why would the prize money increase?
Shoot goal

Exactly a bit late now.

The league will devalue further.

No prize money.
AU in the league.
Juniors propping up the game via fees .
Low crowds.

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johndedes wrote:Shoot goal

I was after some data from the fn gurus, FFSA gurus etc to the topic?

Ok if you remember the Ampol Cup Night series pre NSL .
Data I have is the championship prize available to the winning club was approx the value of a courtyard block say in the north western close city suburbs eg $225,000 approx today.
Crowds were obviously larger back then.

If you remember early 1990's ethnic name ban came in and also new sponsor " West End" and the prize money was larger then than today . When I say larger compare what you can buy then than now with the prize money . Eg late 1960's you could buy a house on a quarter acre block in Croydon Park for approx $9,000.

So just some simple maths shows today prize money for say a FFSA championship should be at least $250,000 to the winner minimum.
The SANFL rewards the League Premier $30,000 in prizemoney..... And this is viewed as the second best league outside the AFL

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Shoot goal

So what is the prize money for all FFSA leagues today?

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