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It's the time of year - sort of - where coaches from the WNPL move or or are escorted out the door. So far:

Gone
1) Max P - sent packing from City. I keep hearing "Player power prevailed".
2) John Ebbs - Dismissed from Fulham with 3 games to go. Absurd

Going?
3) Comets - Hanging in there but would be on shaky ground.

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Is there anyone around ready to (or interested in) replace the current crop? Seems like the same old faces just get recycled from year to year.

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Its a tough gig and their are only so many people who are willing to do it.

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Yes I agree. It is a hard gig and many rarely stay the distance. I'm not mentioning the coaching changes as a point of "ha ha". It's a concern that reasonable people are leaving or being pushed out.
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Its a tough gig and their are only so many people who are willing to do it.

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After Friday night's games in the WNPL/Reserves I think I might need to add another name to the list of coaching movements.

Under the pump is Adrian Santrac. Sad really however, he took the job on after Kev's departure in 2018. Westies looked ok last year and with a good start to season 2020 they looked the team most likely to keep City at bay and possibly challenge for the championship. To say that 2020 was disappointing is an understatement. They have a reasonable team. They have an excellent coach. The Westies games I've seen over the last 2 months have been a concern. The old chestnut of player disunity. Poor discipline. Lack of respect for one another AND for the coach is evident. The supporters are unforgiving and I'd add poor winners and poor losers.

I've seen Santrac over the years and he has a lot to offer the women's game. If he does depart Westies I hope he lands a gig elsewhere where he is supported by the club and that the players are read the riot act and those whom think otherwise should be sent packing.

Salisbury may have lost however, they are good enough to take on a resurgent metro outfit. Tracey is safe in my eyes as is Tony at metro.

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Billy the kid,

I heard from one of the Salisbury Inter person that Tracey may be going to West Adelaide as head coach.

Can anyone confirm this.

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Tracey has had previous issues with player dissent at Uni. She then departed. White City was the next port of call to assist in setting up their women's program. Then SI came about as an assistant/consultant. Then the SI coach was sacked and Tracey took over. Then the recruiting began this season and BANG this coincided with what I observed as disunity in the team. A couple of weeks ago I overheard SI fans refer to Cote as the hog. Other comments were not so complementary. SI like Westies have looked at times to be world beaters but at times (many) the results have caused me to think otherwise.

If I were Tracey my choice of poison would be SI over westies. The culture of westies is appalling. Men, junior boys. women. Junior girls. The people at westies are unforgiving. Opinionated and poor sports.

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billy the kid wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:59 am
After Friday night's games in the WNPL/Reserves I think I might need to add another name to the list of coaching movements.

Under the pump is Adrian Santrac. Sad really however, he took the job on after Kev's departure in 2018. Westies looked ok last year and with a good start to season 2020 they looked the team most likely to keep City at bay and possibly challenge for the championship. To say that 2020 was disappointing is an understatement. They have a reasonable team. They have an excellent coach. The Westies games I've seen over the last 2 months have been a concern. The old chestnut of player disunity. Poor discipline. Lack of respect for one another AND for the coach is evident. The supporters are unforgiving and I'd add poor winners and poor losers.

I've seen Santrac over the years and he has a lot to offer the women's game. If he does depart Westies I hope he lands a gig elsewhere where he is supported by the club and that the players are read the riot act and those whom think otherwise should be sent packing.

Salisbury may have lost however, they are good enough to take on a resurgent metro outfit. Tracey is safe in my eyes as is Tony at metro.
From the horses mouth or just more supposition? More like a team that has had 2 coaches who do not have a plan B in the arsenal, so when they come up against some quality can not change the game plan.
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Tracey has had previous issues with player dissent at Uni. She then departed. White City was the next port of call to assist in setting up their women's program. Then SI came about as an assistant/consultant. Then the SI coach was sacked and Tracey took over. Then the recruiting began this season and BANG this coincided with what I observed as disunity in the team. A couple of weeks ago I overheard SI fans refer to Cote as the hog. Other comments were not so complementary. SI like Westies have looked at times to be world beaters but at times (many) the results have caused me to think otherwise.

If I were Tracey my choice of poison would be SI over westies. The culture of westies is appalling. Men, junior boys. women. Junior girls. The people at westies are unforgiving. Opinionated and poor sports.
You sound as if you were involved at West Adelaide in the past and are now bitter you're no longer there, or maybe that your kid wasn't required anymore.

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It’s not all about the coach. The playing group is instrumental in a team’s success.

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Having a strong ‘playing group’ is stating the obvious. In a truly competitive league, you don’t get away without a good coach.

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I didn’t say a coach wasn’t important too.

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Interesting comments about West A and Salisbury I. WNPL or any other league isn't an easy job for anyone. I've seen many games this season and whilst I acknowledge the efforts of city, I thought they would be challenged by the likes of WA and SI. Metro started the season well and then with injury and form issues, consistency has been a concern. WA and SI have at times looked good and played a good team game there have been times when the teams at the bottom of the table have taken it up to WA and SI. They too have been inconsistent.

I watched most of the metro and WA as I have an interest in metro and whilst the endeavour was there, the fluidity of WA was absent and in the second half, they became more a more disjointed in their game. I understand that the game plan involves the use of Macri and Tilley and co and a good team on their mark could extinguish this. This is what occurred with v metro.

Is it player dissent or coaching fatigue? Who knows. All I can judge is what I see.

Comments about disgruntled people is probably not the response warranted. I'd like a rationale rebuttal.

Will Is and WA change coaches? I think Tracey is getting her time set up as she wants. I am keen to watch Friday night's game v metro.

Good luck teams. And remember, play fair. No injuries. Love the game.

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Two interesting matches last Friday fortnight, West Adelaide women seem to have caught the same virus that affects the mens team where they have so much promise but fall away at critical times.
They need to learn when things arent going their way, they need to to dig deep and work harder to make things happen.
Credit to Metro who played a very good team game, and I think if they continue that could surprise a few people Friday night.
Inter with all the star players they have would be a little worried and still wondering how they let last game get away from them, they complain and whinge a lot when things go against them, and rely on one player to score their goals - their last match not once did they play the ball from out the back when their keeper had the ball , long kicks down the middle to their star striker.
With the money that has been invested into that team there will be a few nervous people around the club should Metro cause the upset of the season - Inter are vulnerable at times, lucky to draw with Comets and outplayed by NTC - if they use Quigley more instead of focussing on Rojas all the time Metro will struggle. Should be an intriguing clash .

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In the way wrote:
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Two interesting matches last Friday fortnight, West Adelaide women seem to have caught the same virus that affects the mens team where they have so much promise but fall away at critical times.
They need to learn when things arent going their way, they need to to dig deep and work harder to make things happen.
Credit to Metro who played a very good team game, and I think if they continue that could surprise a few people Friday night.
Inter with all the star players they have would be a little worried and still wondering how they let last game get away from them, they complain and whinge a lot when things go against them, and rely on one player to score their goals - their last match not once did they play the ball from out the back when their keeper had the ball , long kicks down the middle to their star striker.
With the money that has been invested into that team there will be a few nervous people around the club should Metro cause the upset of the season - Inter are vulnerable at times, lucky to draw with Comets and outplayed by NTC - if they use Quigley more instead of focussing on Rojas all the time Metro will struggle. Should be an intriguing clash .
Generally Inter do play out from the back, being 1-0 up against City they probably wanted to play safe but in reality they were just giving the ball away because Rojas is not tall and I would say isn't the best way to get the ball to her.

These one off final games can be tricky - a lot of it is the mind set of the players/teams and coaches bring to the game.

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WA has and always will have internal problems. Intrinsic and part of their DNA. Problems are attracted to a place where everyone has an opinion and knows the reasons for problems. Ideas men. Majority if not all the supporters sit/stand on the sidelines and are quick to strut when their team is winning. Quick to voice disgust and criticisms towards the coaching box when things go wrong. That blame shifting finds its way on to the pitch and there is definitely a lack of discipline and unity on the pitch. Not hard to hear the disunity. Not hard to hear to the sideline experts

Self-imploded after the team promised a lot. As stated before, thought they would challenge city. They won’t. Santrac for me will leave. The guy doesn’t need this angst and the intolerant supporters and a hand full of ill-disciplined players. Last Friday night the ill-discipline resulted in a red card. Enough said.

Salisbury? Yep. Stars abound. Sometimes they get mesmerised by their own abilities and forget to play the team game. Metro plays the team game and whilst it has stability issues and no key forward, they play an honest game. If metro wins will it be an upset or demonstrative of a team first ethos v a team that takes a while to snap into action. They will need to play a full 90 minutes otherwise Salisbury will expose and exploit a lack of concentration and put on 2-3 goals. Salisbury certainly can win and are favourites.

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I hate to say, famous words of John Warren, "I told you so"
what an intense match Metro came from behind twice what a finals series Cockayne is having goal assist last week for the winner, and then pops up and scores the winner in this game.
offsides Metro 3 - Rojas 12 about sums it up
Going to be hard to back up again 3 weeks in a row against Ade City it will be very tough.
Where to now for Inter players and coaches ?
The beauty of the finals, it is all on the night

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Wow what an upset!

Given the wage bill down Salisbury way and the pressure of expectation, I think if there were any cracks before this game, those cracks are now gaping breaks. We will see the fallout in the coming days.

Metro now the first team ever to make the final after finishing fourth, where they meet an almost unbeatable city side. Scalzi has done exceptionally well but next week might be a bridge too far.

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Inter coach to West adelaide

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Well done to Metro - thoroughly deserved their victory in the end, especially after going 1 nil down after 5mins. Dug deep, stuck together and showed what a 'team' - key word can do, not a bunch of individuals, playing for themselves & the $$$.. no plan B from the coach either!

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Haywood. You've spoken well and said some interesting things. Yes I agree that a team will always beat a group of players whom are potentially not buying into the team ethos AND or what the coach is trying to deliver. Metro are squeezing very inch out of this season. Good honest players that are certainly NEVER going to GIVE UP. I think it may have been said in a forum that salisbury and westies were the team most likely to challenge city. This hasn't happened and from what I have seen post Covid I have changed my views. Not that I thought metro would be the challengers given their squad profile etc. It has occurred and next Friday it'll be on. Last time they met city won 1-0. My money is on the street fighter metro.

Anyway, lots for salisbury and wastes to ponder. Will TJ go to westies? Not sure. If she does however, I'd recommend that she focuses on getting a team together and worry less about stars. This approach didn't;'t work at uni and now salisbury. She's a good coach and I rate her immensely. westies may be looking for a coach.

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Momentum is a powerful thing in finals series.
I think the week off for city might even up the game, well that’s what we’ve learnt in the past.

Well done Tony & the metro team, no expectations now just enjoy the game!
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terryball wrote:
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Inter coach to West adelaide
If true, this means a deal was done in the second half of the season with everything to play for for both Inter and westies. You would be pretty dark if you were Santrac or the board at Inter.

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when you pay top dollar for an International striker and she does not score in the games that count ( Finals ) two weeks in a row now, your team does not win because you have become so reliant on her scoring.
Maybe she should do the school holiday clinics for free let the club keep the money :)
Coach has to wear some of the blame - she was stuck for ideas and was hoping one of her star players would do something special - the Inter team talk looked a bit animated during half time of extra time i wonder if the coach or the players did pull all the strings - compared to the more motivating Metro team talk.
If these players and coach leave now it will show what some of us were thinking , ( they were there for themselves not the club ) should learn from this, feel obligated to stay another season and take care of unfinished business.

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Well done to Metro on a well deserved win considering Salisbury Inter were favourites.
There are two people that should be ashamed of themselves for which this whole scenario has panned out.
Tracy finalising a deal with West Adelaide for 2021 and West Adelaide board undermining Adrian Santrac while the season was in progress. I believe this ongoing conversations behind closed doors which leaked out before the finals had cost both clubs the opportunity to play in the final against Adelaide City. Salisbury Inter has now a problem to overcome, and that is how to retain certain players who will follow her to West Adelaide. And for West Adelaide board be prepared for a players revolt. Watch this space and for many player movements.

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Riggles64 wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:22 pm
My money is on the street fighter metro.
Big call but on what I've seen this season I just can't see this happening bec. AC are far too skilled all over the park.
With no Chrissy Panagaris, Metro will not be troubling the City defence & so I remain confident AC will prove too classy.
Btw congratulations to Metro on making the finals after a very gutsy (& deserved) win over SI. :clap:

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If what is said on here that tracey had planned to leave Salisbury for westies mid-season and that those discussions between parties were being held whilst the season was progressing, then that is very poor. Yes I know that kind of crap happens however, the whole situation is very port for tracey and westies and Adrian in particular. For me, if I were a player, westies would not be a club I’d stay at or want to go to. Salisbury would feel aggrieved. Exiting the finals with that team is a concern.

What lays ahead? Salisbury will obviously lose those players whom were getting paid big dollars and failed to perform when it mattered. Westies players will be sold the dream (again) by tracey. Hopefully those players will look at her track record over the last decade and see that her hype doesn’t translate to results. NO championships, cups etc. not evn in the ball park to win anything. The staregy is to promise big. Recruit name players with $$$ and no commitment. Cote will no doubt end up at westies. Question is who will pick up the wage bill? Westies are broke and won’t hand out $3 k/month.

Hopefully the westies players look elsewhere because there are tough times ahead.

Salisbury need to clear out the mercenaries whom are there for $$$ and self-glory and get back to when Adrian had them. At that time they played as a team and did really well. It went pear shape once he left.

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I think its appalling to have parties from two finals contenders in secret negotiation with everything to play for, and then let it leak before the season ends.

Some people got paid alot of money (for Women's football in SA) to get the club who was paying the wages, as close to the very top as possible. Instead time, focus and energy is diverted to personal ambitions at the clubs expense.

As for Westies being able to afford the new regime and playing group, all I can suggest is for those players to ask for whatever is promised, to be an upfront payment otherwise they might be disappointed by season's end.

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why would you want to be involved with a club ( WA ) or a coach ( TJ ) who operate like that ?
Trouble with the women's game in SA is lack of loyalty, from some players and clubs - irony former SI coach is now involved at Metro.
If the players and coach at SI are not hurting they should be - coming 3rd with quality superstar players and qualified coaches they have, is unacceptable.
They have let SI down, and have an obligation to stay for at least another season without pay, and finish what they started.
When your star striker fails to score in the games that count ( finals ) questions need to be asked.
Well done Metro and Ade City no substitute for finals experience, it will be hard for Metro to back it up 3 weeks in a row, I hope it is a close game and not a blow out,

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Coming from sources inside Salisbury Inter camp that Tracey Jenkins has been confirmed as Head coach of West Adelaide.
Salisbury Inter are absolutely livid with Tracey and West Adelaide for chasing her and negotiating behind the scenes especially prior to finals. Apparently Tracey promised SI to build the club as a #1 team into the future and now failed to deliver her promise. Furthermore, Salisbury Inter will now be concerned as Calder, Ryder, Cote, Condon, Pavlomanolakis, Nishitani, Mullen and may be few others will go with Tracey to West Adelaide. This will place SI in a very bad situation coming into 2021. Also, it was said from the SI camp that approx 6 players quit from Salisbury Inter at the beginning of the season because of Tracey. Some of those players were Comyns now a league final winning Metro Keeper, Hurst & Taylor quit. Well, if this is what Tracey brings to the club, Good Luck to West Adelaide. In conclusion, it must be said that Tracey & West Adelaide board must be held responsible in which the club ended its finals campaign. It appears from the previous comments in the forum about Tracey just confirms that she places her interest first before any club.

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