Ashwin and the Mankad controversy...
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:30 am
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Ravi Ashwin’s controversial Mankad dismissal of Jos Buttler in the Indian Premier League should have been ruled not out.
That’s the opinion shared among a number of cricketers, fans and pundits after footage was analysed from start to finish on Tuesday.
Sensing that Kings XI Punjab would not win their clash with Rajasthan Royals if Buttler remained out there, Ashwin – the team’s captain – took his chance.
He knocked the bails off at the non-striker’s end to send the English batsman back to the dressing room on 69 runs, and the ploy worked as Kings XI won by 14 runs.
But when the umpire sent the appeal upstairs to check if Buttler was out of his crease, a particular portion of the rules was ignored.
Ravi Ashwin shaped to bowl before his unexpected Mankad. Pic: BCCI
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A 2017 update to law 41.16 reads: “If the non-striker is out of his/her ground from the moment the ball comes into play to the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to attempt to run him/her out.”
Note the key words ‘would normally have been expected to release the ball’.
Former Australian cricket stars Shane Warne and Lisa Sthalekar were among those to point out the discrepancy between the rulebook and what happened on the field.
Warne wrote: “(Ashwin) had no intention of delivering the ball – so it should have been called a dead ball.”
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So disappointed in @ashwinravi99 as a Captain & as a person. All captains sign the #IPL wall & agree to play in the spirit of the game. RA had no intention of delivering the ball - so it should have been called a dead ball. Over to u BCCI - this a not a good look for the #IPL
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Sthalekar added: “(It) should have been called dead ball because at the point of release Buttler is in, but Ashwin waits until his momentum of ‘backing up’ takes him out of the crease’.”
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Here’s my 2 cents worth on THE run out. Should have been called dead ball cause at the point of release Buttler is in, but Ashwin waits until his momentum of “backing up” takes him out of the crease. Butler’s technique could be improved to limit this by being side-on = power
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The argument boils down to Ashwin’s desperation to dismiss Buttler, having hesitated on his action to enact the Mankad.
The bowler stopped in his tracks, kept his bowling arm down, looked at Buttler and removed the bails.
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My opinion on the Buttler/Ashwin controversy is that its NOT Buttlers fault and its NOT Ashwins fault either
Ashwin is entitled to appeal
I thought the TV umpire made the incorrect decision
Shouldve been dead ball..... play on
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· Mar 26, 2019
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I could also argue that Buttler was out of his ground when Ashwin "would normally have been expected to release the ball". It's almost as if 41.16 was written for this situation. Never mind third umpires or DRS I want a barrister for this!
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sorry, just to clarify I’m not saying dead ball because Buttler was in when run up was balked.
I’m saying dead ball because Buttler is in (or at least not definitively out of) his ground when Ashwin "would normally have been expected to release the ball"
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Matt Balmer
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This is an appalling mankad by Ravi Ashwin. Jos Buttler is still in his crease when he lands, so Ashwin should be expected to deliver the ball. Pretty poor effort from the captain. Certainly ain’t winning any ‘spirit of cricket’ awards. #VIVOIPL
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Kartik Dayanand
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That's a dead ball.#Ashwin
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Just watched the Ashwin replay for the umpteenth time.. he wasn’t even in full delivery stride when he runs Butler out. Instead, he pauses and waits for Butler to leave the crease! NOT OUT even by LAW and Common sense dictates umpire should have called dead ball!
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robert askew
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· Mar 26, 2019
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This incident Alison, I think you are sitting on the fence!
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My interpretation of the Law results in not out. Slow mo doesn’t look to me like Buttler was out of his ground at instant Ashwin would “normally have been expected to release the ball”. So dead ball. Difficulty is, Law relies on judging timing of s’thing that hasn’t happened
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Ashwin defended his actions after the match, saying his play was “very instinctive”.
“I didn’t even load and he left the crease,” he said.
“It’s always been my take on it, because it’s my half of the crease. We ended on the right side of it but those things are game-changers and batsmen need to be wary of it.”
yes and a bowler can be one centimetre over the bowling crease and he can miss out on a wicket but the precious batsman seem to get away with everything these daysHirohito wrote:If you can score runs from leg byes then I have no problems with getting out in this fashion.
And they already have bigger bats, shorter boundaries. Not sure why this doesn't get more attention (mode of dismissal) as it is a form of cheating by the runner/batsman, yet the "fed up" bowler gets all the howls and jeers.Dave from Number 12 wrote:yes and a bowler can be one centimetre over the bowling crease and he can miss out on a wicket but the precious batsman seem to get away with everything these daysHirohito wrote:If you can score runs from leg byes then I have no problems with getting out in this fashion.
Cooper wrote:I think its ridiculous the criticism he has been facing over this.
It a legitimate within the rules way to get someone out, why not use it to your advantage with slack runners.
I heard that he did, but customary doesn't mean its required by the laws (unless it is written in the laws I don't know).God is an Englishman wrote:Cooper wrote:I think its ridiculous the criticism he has been facing over this.
It a legitimate within the rules way to get someone out, why not use it to your advantage with slack runners.
1. It's customary to give a warning.
2. Buttler didn't leave his crease until after the bowler should have released the ball.
It is not written in the laws.Cooper wrote:I heard that he did, but customary doesn't mean its required by the laws (unless it is written in the laws I don't know).God is an Englishman wrote:Cooper wrote:I think its ridiculous the criticism he has been facing over this.
It a legitimate within the rules way to get someone out, why not use it to your advantage with slack runners.
1. It's customary to give a warning.
2. Buttler didn't leave his crease until after the bowler should have released the ball.
As for if he was out or not I have not commented, from the replays it suggests he wasn't but that doesn't change my point that it is a legitimate way to get someone out in cricket.
I tend to believe it is the refs decision to stop play when a player is injured. Seen to many players go down like a sack of shite, ball kicked out and they get up and play on.Bomber wrote:It's not written in the laws in football that a player kicks the ball out when an opponent is down clearly injured. You sometimes cannot legislate for "spirit" of sportsmanship, but I do side with the bowler here provided he did give a soft warning beforehand.
That is the current law, hence the illustration that sometimes you do things "in the spirit of the game".Raich Carter wrote:I tend to believe it is the refs decision to stop play when a player is injured. Seen to many players go down like a sack of shite, ball kicked out and they get up and play on.Bomber wrote:It's not written in the laws in football that a player kicks the ball out when an opponent is down clearly injured. You sometimes cannot legislate for "spirit" of sportsmanship, but I do side with the bowler here provided he did give a soft warning beforehand.
I never kicked the ball out of play. The referee has a whistle, he can stop play if he feels it is warranted.Bomber wrote:It's not written in the laws in football that a player kicks the ball out when an opponent is down clearly injured.
I never had to. When I played, for some reason it was rare for players to roll around on the ground injured during play.Fountains Of Wayne wrote:I never kicked the ball out of play. The referee has a whistle, he can stop play if he feels it is warranted.Bomber wrote:It's not written in the laws in football that a player kicks the ball out when an opponent is down clearly injured.
Bomber wrote:I never had to. When I played, for some reason it was rare for players to roll around on the ground injured during play.Fountains Of Wayne wrote:I never kicked the ball out of play. The referee has a whistle, he can stop play if he feels it is warranted.Bomber wrote:It's not written in the laws in football that a player kicks the ball out when an opponent is down clearly injured.