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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:Media and coach. Ok then.........you do realise that media and coach doesn't necessarily mean "Aussie hypocrisy" - it just means piss poor and biased journalism - something the British press seemed to invent. Cant even remember who was coach at the time (Broad incident), was it Mickey Arthur?
The coach was Darren Lehman

Not just the coach and the media though, boo'd and abused in every game by the crowd. Look at some of the comments on here about him abusing him.

People in Oz boo Tim Cahill, they boo'd Harry Kewell & Lucas Neill too. Happens in sport you know.
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:Media and coach. Ok then.........you do realise that media and coach doesn't necessarily mean "Aussie hypocrisy" - it just means piss poor and biased journalism - something the British press seemed to invent. Cant even remember who was coach at the time (Broad incident), was it Mickey Arthur?
The coach was Darren Lehman

Not just the coach and the media though, boo'd and abused in every game by the crowd. Look at some of the comments on here about him abusing him.

People in Oz boo Tim Cahill, they boo'd Harry Kewell & Lucas Neill too. Happens in sport you know.
Why were they boo'ing and abusing Broad?

(I'll give you a clue - the abuse I heard based around him being a cheat)
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You're calling Smith a cheat, so I guess its ok then, right?
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Bomber wrote:You're calling Smith a cheat, so I guess its ok then, right?

I believe they both are cheats.
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Bomber wrote:You're calling Smith a cheat, so I guess its ok then, right?

I believe they both are cheats.
Then feel free to Boo Smith if you like. I wont complain
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:You're calling Smith a cheat, so I guess its ok then, right?

I believe they both are cheats.
Then feel free to Boo Smith if you like. I wont complain
Then I'd be a hypocrite for my boo'ing Broad.
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God Tongue wrote:Cricket needs more vuvuzelas.
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Mr Red wrote:Maybe he didn't think he was out. :?:
He knew he was out and it appears David Hussey agrees with me.
David Hussey wrote:“One hundred per cent you feel the edge, no worries at all, and I reckon if you look at him closely, he looks a little bit sheepish, He was knowing what was going on. He was praying that they did not review or refer the decision.”
It seems you only have to walk if you're not Australian.

And S Broad
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Vuvuzela Heaven wrote:Steve Smith was aware he nicked it. You may not be aware you were speeding.
I was actually going to go with, I cheat in most things but not in golf and cricket.

And diving on the football pitch, thanks for clearing that up!
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Wayne Kerr wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Vuvuzela Heaven wrote:Steve Smith was aware he nicked it. You may not be aware you were speeding.
I was actually going to go with, I cheat in most things but not in golf and cricket.

And diving on the football pitch, thanks for clearing that up!
Never dived on a football pitch in my life.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Vuvuzela Heaven wrote:Steve Smith was aware he nicked it. You may not be aware you were speeding.
I was actually going to go with, I cheat in most things but not in golf and cricket.

And diving on the football pitch, thanks for clearing that up!
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Wayne Kerr wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:I was actually going to go with, I cheat in most things but not in golf and cricket.

And diving on the football pitch, thanks for clearing that up!
Where does that say that I dive on a football pitch?
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Did a good number on the umpires this morning.
Time for some righteous indignation

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How so? I haven't seen any of the current test.
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God Tongue wrote:How so? I haven't seen any of the current test.
He talked the umpires into going off for the rain.
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How did Australia pull that off? I thought it was going to peter (?) out into a draw.

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God Tongue wrote:How so? I haven't seen any of the current test.
He talked the umpires into going off for the rain.

And that is cheating?? How?
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Wayne Kerr wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
God Tongue wrote:How so? I haven't seen any of the current test.
He talked the umpires into going off for the rain.

And that is cheating?? How?
It's not

Can you show me where anyone has even suggested it was cheating?
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Bomber wrote:Then why raise it in the first place then? Or are you the police in what its ok to cheat at now?

If you want to call Smith a cheat, fine, I wont lose sleep, but do you think you and toomer will ever get over the Broad thing one day?

PS - remind me never to play you at Chess, poker, snooker or backgammon as I only play against those who don't cheat at these.
Only played poker once and I cheated. I played with a friend and deliberately lost on the hands that he would win so he got my chips.

Never cheated at snooker, backgammon or chess though.

I am over the Broad situation, I was over it at the time. I think he cheated. However, the media and even your coach gave him untold crap for it. Just more hypocrisy.

You may also want to take note that in my first comment I even said that I didn't think many would have walked.
I just thought you were junk. :-P

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How is it relevant?

Does anyone appeal when you're caught at long on?
Does anyone appeal when you're bowled?
Yes they do. An appeal doesn't have to much. But generally it's Law 27.2(b) that has the batsman out.

Law 27:

1. Umpire not to give batsman out without an appeal

Neither umpire shall give a batsman out, even though he may be out under the Laws, unless appealed to by a fielder. This shall not debar a batsman who is out under any of the Laws from leaving his wicket without an appeal having been made. Note, however, the provisions of 7 below.

2. Batsman dismissed
A batsman is dismissed if,
either (a) he is given out by an umpire, on appeal,
or (b) he is out under any of the Laws and leaves his wicket as in 1 above.

I have not given wickets umpiring at indoor cricket, because the fielding team made no appeal/noise when taking a catch. I even recorded the run.

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Slinky_Pete wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
How is it relevant?

Does anyone appeal when you're caught at long on?
Does anyone appeal when you're bowled?
Yes they do. An appeal doesn't have to much. But generally it's Law 27.2(b) that has the batsman out.

Law 27:

1. Umpire not to give batsman out without an appeal

Neither umpire shall give a batsman out, even though he may be out under the Laws, unless appealed to by a fielder. This shall not debar a batsman who is out under any of the Laws from leaving his wicket without an appeal having been made. Note, however, the provisions of 7 below.

2. Batsman dismissed
A batsman is dismissed if,
either (a) he is given out by an umpire, on appeal,
or (b) he is out under any of the Laws and leaves his wicket as in 1 above.

I have not given wickets umpiring at indoor cricket, because the fielding team made no appeal/noise when taking a catch. I even recorded the run.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Slinky_Pete wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
How is it relevant?

Does anyone appeal when you're caught at long on?
Does anyone appeal when you're bowled?
Yes they do. An appeal doesn't have to much. But generally it's Law 27.2(b) that has the batsman out.

Law 27:

1. Umpire not to give batsman out without an appeal

Neither umpire shall give a batsman out, even though he may be out under the Laws, unless appealed to by a fielder. This shall not debar a batsman who is out under any of the Laws from leaving his wicket without an appeal having been made. Note, however, the provisions of 7 below.

2. Batsman dismissed
A batsman is dismissed if,
either (a) he is given out by an umpire, on appeal,
or (b) he is out under any of the Laws and leaves his wicket as in 1 above.

I have not given wickets umpiring at indoor cricket, because the fielding team made no appeal/noise when taking a catch. I even recorded the run.
A batsman is allowed to walk, doesn't state that he must.

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Slinky_Pete wrote:A batsman is allowed to walk, doesn't state that he must.
So why is a big deal made by aussies when people from other countries don't walk then?
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Slinky_Pete wrote:A batsman is allowed to walk, doesn't state that he must.
So why is a big deal made by aussies when people from other countries don't walk then?
When its clearly obvious to everyone (except the umpire), much like a catch to long on, second slip or being bowled etc coupled with the silly review system.
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Slinky_Pete wrote:A batsman is allowed to walk, doesn't state that he must.
So why is a big deal made by aussies when people from other countries don't walk then?
When its clearly obvious to everyone (except the umpire), much like a catch to long on, second slip or being bowled etc coupled with the silly review system.
So you only have to walk when it's obvious? :lol: So you're basically saying, if you think you can get away with it then you should try your luck. BUT you complain when others do EXACTLY that.
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Note the "coupled with silly review system" which would have made most incidents irrelevant as decisions would have been correct given an open third umpire verdict.

I have told you before I was a walker during playing days, but in some cases you cant be 100% certain if you're out or not, so leave it to the umpires. The obvious dismissals that rarely are not given out with players holding their ground are open to as much bagging as they get, as these people KNOW it, yet still choose to "cheat".

The funniest part is if it happens once to a pom, then we have the likes of you sitting by his laptop waiting for someone else to do it, no, make it an Aussie to do it, and then make a big song and dance about it, which shows it really gets your gander up.

Hence I laugh every time I see the Maradona hand of god goal, as it still resonates with your whingeing lot after all these years, whereas most others would have been over it by now.
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Bomber wrote:Note the "coupled with silly review system" which would have made most incidents irrelevant as decisions would have been correct given an open third umpire verdict.

I have told you before I was a walker during playing days, but in some cases you cant be 100% certain if you're out or not, so leave it to the umpires. The obvious dismissals that rarely are not given out with players holding their ground are open to as much bagging as they get, as these people KNOW it, yet still choose to "cheat".

The funniest part is if it happens once to a pom, then we have the likes of you sitting by his laptop waiting for someone else to do it, no, make it an Aussie to do it, and then make a big song and dance about it, which shows it really gets your gander up.

Hence I laugh every time I see the Maradona hand of god goal, as it still resonates with your whingeing lot after all these years, whereas most others would have been over it by now.

Why bother debating with the :clown: , it only further strokes his ballooned ego
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Bomber wrote:Note the "coupled with silly review system" which would have made most incidents irrelevant as decisions would have been correct given an open third umpire verdict.

I have told you before I was a walker during playing days, but in some cases you cant be 100% certain if you're out or not, so leave it to the umpires. The obvious dismissals that rarely are not given out with players holding their ground are open to as much bagging as they get, as these people KNOW it, yet still choose to "cheat".

The funniest part is if it happens once to a pom, then we have the likes of you sitting by his laptop waiting for someone else to do it, no, make it an Aussie to do it, and then make a big song and dance about it, which shows it really gets your gander up.

Hence I laugh every time I see the Maradona hand of god goal, as it still resonates with your whingeing lot after all these years, whereas most others would have been over it by now.
You bring up maradona's goal a lot more than I do. He cheated, it happens. If an Englishman did it, I would call him a cheat as well.

The issue with this incident in cricket is the hypocrisy. I called Broad a cheat, I called Smith a cheat. They both knew they hit it and stood their ground. In my book, that's cheating. Where's the media referring to Smith as a cheat, where's the Australian coach calling him a cheat? My issue is more with the treatment of Broad and the hypocrisy.

You can't have it both ways.
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Treatment of Broad? Is he worried about meaningless papers now? I hope he chooses a different shrink to that of Trott.

If you refer to Aussie crowds, the vast majority boo him with a smile, much like they did to the saffer captain recently.

He's seemed to cope with Aussie crowds in the BBL okay, so maybe you're making mountains out of molehills (see Bodo for therapy) :wink:
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Bomber wrote:Treatment of Broad? Is he worried about meaningless papers now? I hope he chooses a different shrink to that of Trott.

If you refer to Aussie crowds, the vast majority boo him with a smile, much like they did to the saffer captain recently.

He's seemed to cope with Aussie crowds in the BBL okay, so maybe you're making mountains out of molehills (see Bodo for therapy) :wink:
He's not worried at all, I'm sure he laughs at it all and doesn't come out saying how they got to him like some aussies have done.

I'm just highlighting the hypocrisy. Some on here were calling Broad a cheat whilst not seeing the other side of the coin. I'm just here to educate and help you watch with both eyes open.
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