OK, born in Malaysia I see. I'll hold fire on counting him until we know the parentage though, pretty sure he's not Malaysian. Assumption would be irish obviously.Slinky_Pete wrote:O'KeefeGod is an Englishman wrote:Who is the 4th? Khawaja, Renshaw, Cartwright and... ?Old Redback wrote:4 of today's 11 were born overseas. Surely that's not allowed judging by Australia's recent complaints against other nations (but only when they have been beaten by those other nations....)
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Whilst I can't get a definitive answer - he was born in Malaysia due to his father having a job in the Air Force. It doesn't specify which Air Force though. My thinking on this is that he is Australian though.God is an Englishman wrote:Slinky_Pete wrote:OK, born in Malaysia I see. I'll hold fire on counting him until we know the parentage though, pretty sure he's not Malaysian. Assumption would be irish obviously.God is an Englishman wrote:
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O'Keefe became the first Australian Test player born in Malaysia, a result of his father's work for the Royal Australian Air Force.God is an Englishman wrote:OK, born in Malaysia I see. I'll hold fire on counting him until we know the parentage though, pretty sure he's not Malaysian. Assumption would be irish obviously.Slinky_Pete wrote:O'KeefeGod is an Englishman wrote:
Who is the 4th? Khawaja, Renshaw, Cartwright and... ?
This 3 year old story has Australia at 23 overseas born players. (now 25 with Cartwright)
http://www.cricket.com.au/news/stephen- ... 2014-10-22
England would probably have more than that if they counted India & South Africa only. They've had their 66th player born overseas debut.
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As per the above, being born overseas doesn't bother me. England would have more but I would consider O'Keefe to be Australian, the same as KP is English.Slinky_Pete wrote: O'Keefe became the first Australian Test player born in Malaysia, a result of his father's work for the Royal Australian Air Force.
This 3 year old story has Australia at 23 overseas born players. (now 25 with Cartwright)
http://www.cricket.com.au/news/stephen- ... 2014-10-22
England would probably have more than that if they counted India & South Africa only. They've had their 66th player born overseas debut.
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That's fine. But remember, this convo started cos Old Redback said we have 4/11 born overseas.God is an Englishman wrote:As per the above, being born overseas doesn't bother me. England would have more but I would consider O'Keefe to be Australian, the same as KP is English.Slinky_Pete wrote: O'Keefe became the first Australian Test player born in Malaysia, a result of his father's work for the Royal Australian Air Force.
This 3 year old story has Australia at 23 overseas born players. (now 25 with Cartwright)
http://www.cricket.com.au/news/stephen- ... 2014-10-22
England would probably have more than that if they counted India & South Africa only. They've had their 66th player born overseas debut.
(Australia's first ever Test side had 6/11 - so it's just keeping with history) ;)
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Yes, but I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't consider O'Keefe to be Australian.Slinky_Pete wrote:That's fine. But remember, this convo started cos Old Redback said we have 4/11 born overseas.
(Australia's first ever Test side had 6/11 - so it's just keeping with history) ;)
Which game is considered to be their first test match? I was under the belief that the first Australian team contained 11 Englishman.
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/c ... 62396.htmlGod is an Englishman wrote:Yes, but I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't consider O'Keefe to be Australian.Slinky_Pete wrote:That's fine. But remember, this convo started cos Old Redback said we have 4/11 born overseas.
(Australia's first ever Test side had 6/11 - so it's just keeping with history) ;)
Which game is considered to be their first test match? I was under the belief that the first Australian team contained 11 Englishman.
Thomson the opener was born in NSW. So you are wrong there
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I did say "I was under the belief", So I never stated it as factSlinky_Pete wrote:http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/c ... 62396.htmlGod is an Englishman wrote:Yes, but I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't consider O'Keefe to be Australian.Slinky_Pete wrote:That's fine. But remember, this convo started cos Old Redback said we have 4/11 born overseas.
(Australia's first ever Test side had 6/11 - so it's just keeping with history) ;)
Which game is considered to be their first test match? I was under the belief that the first Australian team contained 11 Englishman.
Thomson the opener was born in NSW. So you are wrong there
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Your beliefs can still be wrong.God is an Englishman wrote:I did say "I was under the belief", So I never stated it as factSlinky_Pete wrote:http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/c ... 62396.htmlGod is an Englishman wrote:
Yes, but I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't consider O'Keefe to be Australian.
Which game is considered to be their first test match? I was under the belief that the first Australian team contained 11 Englishman.
Thomson the opener was born in NSW. So you are wrong there
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Yes, but I believe I covered myself by not claiming it as a fact. "Under the belief" gives that scope for doubt.Slinky_Pete wrote:Your beliefs can still be wrong.
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That's why politicians use the term "I (or we) believe......blah blah blah" and then if/when challenged later on they deny any such "promise".God is an Englishman wrote:Yes, but I believe I covered myself by not claiming it as a fact. "Under the belief" gives that scope for doubt.Slinky_Pete wrote:Your beliefs can still be wrong.
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how much do you think the Paki's had on themselves to be all out by Tea????
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I was thinking along those lines after the second test.MegaBonus wrote:how much do you think the Paki's had on themselves to be all out by Tea????
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No need for racismMegaBonus wrote:how much do you think the Paki's had on themselves to be all out by Tea????
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Yes, courts have found people guilty of it as well.Anononoka wrote:You call that racism?
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The apostrophe just means there are letters missing.God is an Englishman wrote:Yes, courts have found people guilty of it as well.Anononoka wrote:You call that racism?
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God is an Englishman wrote:MegaBonus wrote:australian courts or pommie courts???
More racism
Talk about being handed bad luck, Not only a pom but a stupid one as well!
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"To be born English is to win first prize in the lottery of life."Wayne Kerr wrote:God is an Englishman wrote:MegaBonus wrote:australian courts or pommie courts???
More racism
Talk about being handed bad luck, Not only a pom but a stupid one as well!
It's stupid to highlight racism?
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Wayne Kerr wrote:
Talk about being handed bad luck, Not only a pom but a stupid one as well!
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Wayne Kerr wrote:Wayne Kerr wrote:
Talk about being handed bad luck, Not only a pom but a stupid one as well!
Another one who can't answer a simple question
God is an Englishman wrote:"To be born English is to win first prize in the lottery of life."
It's stupid to highlight racism?
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God is an Englishman wrote:Wayne Kerr wrote:Wayne Kerr wrote:
Talk about being handed bad luck, Not only a pom but a stupid one as well!
Another one who can't answer a simple question
God is an Englishman wrote:"To be born English is to win first prize in the lottery of life."
It's stupid to highlight racism?
Stupid is someone who thinks their race is better than another.
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No.God is an Englishman wrote:It's stupid to highlight racism?
Is calling some a bubble racist?
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NoSlinky_Pete wrote:No.God is an Englishman wrote:It's stupid to highlight racism?
Is calling some a bubble racist?
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So why is pom racist?God is an Englishman wrote:NoSlinky_Pete wrote:No.God is an Englishman wrote:It's stupid to highlight racism?
Is calling some a bubble racist?
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because it's defined as a "derogatory" termSlinky_Pete wrote:So why is pom racist?
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