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Author:  Wayne Kerr [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:34 am ]
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ECB must be relieved, what a week to be bowled out by 58 runs.....

Author:  Bomber [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:58 am ]
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Wayne Kerr wrote:
Bomber wrote:
Cant believe the soft penalties. We know the ICC are soft, so CA need to come out and make a clear statement.

Anyone proved to be involved (and we already know who some of them are) should really be stood down for a minimum of one year.

I for one found it difficult to watch them last night and only really watched the coverage to hear what all the commentators would say about it.

Others have been guilty of ball tampering (until this match, the old bottle tops used by Pakistan have been the worst), so one can only throw so much mud, but the stupidity of it all in even hatching such a plan speaks volumes.



The ICC is more corrupt than FIFA.
CA should come down hard on the culprits, but probably won;t do anything more than strip them of their captaincy and VC (Smith and Warner)
Smith is still a great batsmen, and should be in the side, but Warner can have a rest for at least 6-12 months.


We cant pick and choose though. Anyone found guilty of being involved should get the same punishment. And quite simply there needs to be a harsher automatic punishment for such incidents in the future.
4 demerit points (one test) is a joke.
Furthermore, the umps reckon the ball didn't appear abnormal, therefore they couldn't even cheat right!

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:02 pm ]
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Wayne Kerr wrote:
Bomber wrote:
Cant believe the soft penalties. We know the ICC are soft, so CA need to come out and make a clear statement.

Anyone proved to be involved (and we already know who some of them are) should really be stood down for a minimum of one year.

I for one found it difficult to watch them last night and only really watched the coverage to hear what all the commentators would say about it.

Others have been guilty of ball tampering (until this match, the old bottle tops used by Pakistan have been the worst), so one can only throw so much mud, but the stupidity of it all in even hatching such a plan speaks volumes.



The ICC is more corrupt than FIFA.
CA should come down hard on the culprits, but probably won;t do anything more than strip them of their captaincy and VC (Smith and Warner)
Smith is still a great batsmen, and should be in the side, but Warner can have a rest for at least 6-12 months.


So you want to give a higher ban to someone with a lesser influence because they are not as good a player?

Author:  Wayne Kerr [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:52 pm ]
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^^^^^^

remind us all what Atherton received for his "cheating'????

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:00 pm ]
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Wayne Kerr wrote:
^^^^^^

remind us all what Atherton received for his "cheating'????



I can't remember what happened 24 years ago.

However, comparing putting dirt on the ball to a conspiracy involving senior members of the squad to cheat and the deceive as well. :lol:

Great attempt to deflect though, my question stands.

Author:  Frank Costanza [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:34 pm ]
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Wayne Kerr wrote:
Bomber wrote:
Cant believe the soft penalties. We know the ICC are soft, so CA need to come out and make a clear statement.

Anyone proved to be involved (and we already know who some of them are) should really be stood down for a minimum of one year.

I for one found it difficult to watch them last night and only really watched the coverage to hear what all the commentators would say about it.

Others have been guilty of ball tampering (until this match, the old bottle tops used by Pakistan have been the worst), so one can only throw so much mud, but the stupidity of it all in even hatching such a plan speaks volumes.



The ICC is more corrupt than FIFA.
CA should come down hard on the culprits, but probably won;t do anything more than strip them of their captaincy and VC (Smith and Warner)
Smith is still a great batsmen, and should be in the side, but Warner can have a rest for at least 6-12 months.

You've got it backwards.
Smith should get minimum 12-month ban from all forms of cricket.
Send the message - it doesn't matter if you're the best batsman in the country, if you conspire to cheat, you are a disgrace and will get punished

Author:  ozzie owl [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:58 pm ]
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IMO Smith should cop 12 month ban and never captain Australia again.

Author:  Slinky_Pete [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:10 pm ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Wayne Kerr wrote:
^^^^^^

remind us all what Atherton received for his "cheating'????



I can't remember what happened 24 years ago.

However, comparing putting dirt on the ball to a conspiracy involving senior members of the squad to cheat and the deceive as well. :lol:

Great attempt to deflect though, my question stands.


Is that the same incident that Trescothick has said was initiated by the Head coach, and trialled & tested with the captain?

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:14 pm ]
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Slinky_Pete wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Wayne Kerr wrote:
^^^^^^

remind us all what Atherton received for his "cheating'????



I can't remember what happened 24 years ago.

However, comparing putting dirt on the ball to a conspiracy involving senior members of the squad to cheat and the deceive as well. :lol:

Great attempt to deflect though, my question stands.


Is that the same incident that Trescothick has said was initiated by the Head coach, and trialled & tested with the captain?


No, that was a different one. Remind me though,

When did he get caught?
Did the other team mates deny it existed?
Did trescothic have a history of mental health issues?
Did he also say it was used to produce saliva?
Is it illegal to apply saliva to the ball?

Author:  Clem Fandango [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:01 pm ]
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bloodypassit wrote:
you know its bad when Tomic and Kyrgios are more respected and more integrity than Smith and Warner at the moment

:lol:

Author:  Nikos Sampson [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:13 am ]
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Very good.

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:20 am ]
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Actually surprised by the reaction from most aussies on this. Normally there's attempts to play it down, most are rightfully disgusted by this. Some still though deflecting onto other teams.

For me, Lehman should be sacked, Smith and Warner relieved of their leadership duties and be missing a good few games. Anyone who was in that meeting needs to enjoy some time off.

Author:  Brian the Postman [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:04 am ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Actually surprised by the reaction from most aussies on this. Normally there's attempts to play it down, most are rightfully disgusted by this. Some still though deflecting onto other teams.

For me, Lehman should be sacked, Smith and Warner relieved of their leadership duties and be missing a good few games. Anyone who was in that meeting needs to enjoy some time off.


Smith has to go full stop, his appalling lack of leadership speaks of a weakness of character that should never be allowed to represent Australia again.

Warner has shown he is not mentally capable of playing for Australia.

Lehman has walked, but his legacy will always be of setting up a culture that has resulted in this disaster.

Author:  Bomber [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:05 am ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Actually surprised by the reaction from most aussies on this. Normally there's attempts to play it down, most are rightfully disgusted by this. Some still though deflecting onto other teams.

For me, Lehman should be sacked, Smith and Warner relieved of their leadership duties and be missing a good few games. Anyone who was in that meeting needs to enjoy some time off.


Cant argue much of that. I hear Lehmann is stepping down so looks like he's accepting his position in all this. I think the only "deflections" are due to the fact the Saffers (and others) aren't exactly squeaky clean themselves when talking about ball tampering, that's all, yet in those cases it was just brushed off almost as if it were part of the game, which clearly it isn't, which brings back to my previous point about the penalties issued for such offences are too lenient - ie 4 demerit points and one test suspension.
ICC need to revisit this.

Author:  ozzie owl [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:34 am ]
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Actually surprised by the reaction from most aussies on this. Normally there's attempts to play it down, most are rightfully disgusted by this. Some still though deflecting onto other teams.

For me, Lehman should be sacked, Smith and Warner relieved of their leadership duties and be missing a good few games. Anyone who was in that meeting needs to enjoy some time off.


Cant argue much of that. I hear Lehmann is stepping down so looks like he's accepting his position in all this. I think the only "deflections" are due to the fact the Saffers (and others) aren't exactly squeaky clean themselves when talking about ball tampering, that's all, yet in those cases it was just brushed off almost as if it were part of the game, which clearly it isn't, which brings back to my previous point about the penalties issued for such offences are too lenient - ie 4 demerit points and one test suspension.
ICC need to revisit this.


Spot on Bomber but sadly cant see the ICC doing much.

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:38 am ]
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Does this change your opinions on earlier incidents.

Warner - tape
Cummins - spikes
Bancroft - sugar

Author:  PDog [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:53 am ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Does this change your opinions on earlier incidents.

Warner - tape
Cummins - spikes
Bancroft - sugar

where there is smoke...

Author:  Wayne Kerr [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:02 pm ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Wayne Kerr wrote:
^^^^^^

remind us all what Atherton received for his "cheating'????



I can't remember what happened 24 years ago.

However, comparing putting dirt on the ball to a conspiracy involving senior members of the squad to cheat and the deceive as well. :lol:

Great attempt to deflect though, my question stands.



So you want to distinguish differences in cheating???
Both cheated end of!

nice deflection from my deflection.
My point still stands!

Author:  Wayne Kerr [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:03 pm ]
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Slinky_Pete wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Wayne Kerr wrote:
^^^^^^

remind us all what Atherton received for his "cheating'????



I can't remember what happened 24 years ago.

However, comparing putting dirt on the ball to a conspiracy involving senior members of the squad to cheat and the deceive as well. :lol:

Great attempt to deflect though, my question stands.


Is that the same incident that Trescothick has said was initiated by the Head coach, and trialled & tested with the captain?



This was another Cheating scandal by the Poms.......

Author:  Bomber [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:08 pm ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Does this change your opinions on earlier incidents.

Warner - tape
Cummins - spikes
Bancroft - sugar


Bancroft most likely, the other two, not really.

Remember the umps have never said the ball ever looked 'tampered with" so even if they tried, they didn't do a very good job!

They kept playing with the same ball so despite the stupid attempt, seems it wasn't even carried out, hence why many are calling them so dumb as well.

Author:  Wayne Kerr [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:15 pm ]
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Does this change your opinions on earlier incidents.

Warner - tape
Cummins - spikes
Bancroft - sugar


Bancroft most likely, the other two, not really.

Remember the umps have never said the ball ever looked 'tampered with" so even if they tried, they didn't do a very good job!

They kept playing with the same ball so despite the stupid attempt, seems it wasn't even carried out, hence why many are calling them so dumb as well.



Only the POMS are good at cheating....

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:07 pm ]
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Wayne Kerr wrote:
Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Does this change your opinions on earlier incidents.

Warner - tape
Cummins - spikes
Bancroft - sugar


Bancroft most likely, the other two, not really.

Remember the umps have never said the ball ever looked 'tampered with" so even if they tried, they didn't do a very good job!

They kept playing with the same ball so despite the stupid attempt, seems it wasn't even carried out, hence why many are calling them so dumb as well.



Only the POMS are good at cheating....


Racism again.

Quite funny that you're even trying to deflect on this one. Bye bye Lehman.

Author:  C U Next Saturday [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:09 pm ]
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looks like all the stupid cheats were sent to australia as convicts... all the smart cheats stayed in england

Author:  Wayne Kerr [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:32 pm ]
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C U Next Tuesday wrote:
looks like all the stupid cheats were sent to australia as convicts... all the smart cheats stayed in england



GOLD!

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:42 pm ]
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C U Next Tuesday wrote:
looks like all the stupid cheats were sent to australia as convicts... all the smart cheats stayed in england



Well that's obvious really, the smart ones wouldn't have got caught.

Author:  Wayne Kerr [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:31 am ]
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Smith, Warner and Bancroft sent home to be replaced by Renshaw, Burns and Maxwell.

Lehmann to stay on as coach as he wasn't implicated......

Author:  Bomber [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:43 am ]
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Wayne Kerr wrote:
Smith, Warner and Bancroft sent home to be replaced by Renshaw, Burns and Maxwell.

Lehmann to stay on as coach as he wasn't implicated......


Lehmann is a very lucky boy. Obviously we aren't privy to what actually happened as far as he is concerned, but if body language is anything to go by it's pretty damning.

If CA agrees that attitudes need to change, then it needs to start with a complete review and personally whilst I don't mind Boof, his "larrikin approach" might be past it's prime now and need someone like Justin Langer to come in and get some more discipline in.

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:10 pm ]
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Wayne Kerr wrote:

Lehmann to stay on as coach as he wasn't implicated......


:lol:

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:11 pm ]
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Bomber wrote:
Wayne Kerr wrote:
Smith, Warner and Bancroft sent home to be replaced by Renshaw, Burns and Maxwell.

Lehmann to stay on as coach as he wasn't implicated......


Lehmann is a very lucky boy. Obviously we aren't privy to what actually happened as far as he is concerned, but if body language is anything to go by it's pretty damning.

If CA agrees that attitudes need to change, then it needs to start with a complete review and personally whilst I don't mind Boof, his "larrikin approach" might be past it's prime now and need someone like Justin Langer to come in and get some more discipline in.


Gillespie > langer

Author:  Wayne Kerr [ Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:26 pm ]
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Bomber wrote:
Wayne Kerr wrote:
Smith, Warner and Bancroft sent home to be replaced by Renshaw, Burns and Maxwell.

Lehmann to stay on as coach as he wasn't implicated......


Lehmann is a very lucky boy. Obviously we aren't privy to what actually happened as far as he is concerned, but if body language is anything to go by it's pretty damning.

If CA agrees that attitudes need to change, then it needs to start with a complete review and personally whilst I don't mind Boof, his "larrikin approach" might be past it's prime now and need someone like Justin Langer to come in and get some more discipline in.



The whole culture of that current team stinks tbh.
Warner is a serial pest and the sooner he is given the flick, the better.

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