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Not that it matters now, the mighty cats deserved to win the 2007 GF, but it would be interesting to know if Dank actually revealed that he used the same program at Geelong as he did at Essendon.
The Geelong team especially in 2007-2009, was unbelievable to watch; what a team!

But, unless someone in the inner sanctum actually reveals any details about their "program" - The AFL wont have the balls to investigate it otherwise.

Bombers are still cheaters!
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LFTWNG11 wrote:
Bomber wrote:Do you think the "bigger, tougher, stronger" Geelong were clean when Thompson, Dank and Robinson were there?
I am comfortably satisfied they probably were. Do you?! So if Geelong are guilty, what does that make Essendon*? Even more guilty than they already are.

All I know is Essendon* are convicted drug cheats and Geelong are not :oops:
Convicted yet still no hard evidence - why WADA will always be a joke and a mob I'll never take seriously unless they got positive samples and therefore proof of wrongdoing.

Geelong's shredder probably works better than the one at Windy Hill, hey. :wink:
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Bomber wrote:Convicted
NEXT!
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:Convicted
NEXT!
Exactly. Convicted but not necessarily guilty of anything. Fantastic system, we should adopt it in more parts of society.
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^^^^^^^^

mmmm....are you aware of all the breaches???

34 players lied on 30 separate occasions about being injected....that's enough to ban them....got off lightly if you ask me...
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:Convicted
NEXT!
Exactly. Convicted but not necessarily guilty of anything. Fantastic system, we should adopt it in more parts of society.
How can you be convicted but not necessarily guilty?
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MegaBonus wrote:^^^^^^^^

mmmm....are you aware of all the breaches???

34 players lied on 30 separate occasions about being injected....that's enough to ban them....got off lightly if you ask me...
Exactly, why did they only get a year, should have been 2 years.
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Bomber wrote:
Convicted yet still no hard evidence - why WADA will always be a joke and a mob I'll never take seriously unless they got positive samples and therefore proof of wrongdoing.

Geelong's shredder probably works better than the one at Windy Hill, hey. :wink:
The players admitted to lying to ASADA drug testers. That is evidence enough.

There was no "hard" evidence on Lance Armstrong either; he never failed a drug test. Will you be spouting his innocence? And you are so quick to cast dispersion's on Geelong; but according to you, Essendon* are above reproach.

The delusion of Essendon* supporters actually makes this whole saga so much better. Usually Bomber is a good poster who usually has valid reasons to back up his opinions... The Essendon* drug scandal though :lol: :lol: :lol:
All logic goes out the window and its everybody's fault but Hird's;, everyone else is guilty as well, WADA are a joke who only want to save face and everybody should feel sorry for athlete's who get paid about 500k a year and trained on WADA protocols every year.

The best thing is that you know Hird will be welcomed back to the club with open arms as soon as possible. I thought Carlton had deeply ingrained cultural issues... In comparison to Essendon*, they actually look decent :shock:
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kevinkeegan wrote:This highlights society in one.
Don't stand up for what you think is right,
just cop what big brother tells you and accept a penalty for doing nothing wrong.
What a society of port.
Have a bet on the nags kev, that should cheer you up.
Veterinarian Tom Brennan was also found guilty of doping for providing the cobalt to Kavanagh and O'Brien.

Counsel for Brennan, Adrian Anderson, told the board his client did not know the vitamin complex in the horses' drips contained cobalt, but he was sorry for failing to verify the substance and regretted lying to racing stewards.

"Dr Brennan is truly and profoundly sorry for the most dreadful and uncharacteristic mistake he has ever made," Mr Anderson said.

"He's sorry not only for the administration of the vitamin complex but also being party to lies told to stewards."
After all it's the Australian way :lol:
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How can you be convicted but not necessarily guilty?
In your mind there are absolutely no innocent people in prisons around the world, despite numerous cases of wrongful or overturned convictions?
Surely even you don't believe that (and therefore question answered).
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LFTWNG11 wrote:
Bomber wrote:
Convicted yet still no hard evidence - why WADA will always be a joke and a mob I'll never take seriously unless they got positive samples and therefore proof of wrongdoing.

Geelong's shredder probably works better than the one at Windy Hill, hey. :wink:
The players admitted to lying to ASADA drug testers. That is evidence enough.

There was no "hard" evidence on Lance Armstrong either; he never failed a drug test. Will you be spouting his innocence? And you are so quick to cast dispersion's on Geelong; but according to you, Essendon* are above reproach.

The delusion of Essendon* supporters actually makes this whole saga so much better. Usually Bomber is a good poster who usually has valid reasons to back up his opinions... The Essendon* drug scandal though :lol: :lol: :lol:
All logic goes out the window and its everybody's fault but Hird's;, everyone else is guilty as well, WADA are a joke who only want to save face and everybody should feel sorry for athlete's who get paid about 500k a year and trained on WADA protocols every year.

The best thing is that you know Hird will be welcomed back to the club with open arms as soon as possible. I thought Carlton had deeply ingrained cultural issues... In comparison to Essendon*, they actually look decent :shock:
I hear we've signed Crowley. Just need Saad now. :wink:

Maybe we'll become like Millwall and no-one will like us, but we don't care! :P
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
How can you be convicted but not necessarily guilty?
In your mind there are absolutely no innocent people in prisons around the world, despite numerous cases of wrongful or overturned convictions?
Surely even you don't believe that (and therefore question answered).
But you've still been found guilty. Therefore under law you are guilty. That law is irrelevant now as t whether you did it or not.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
How can you be convicted but not necessarily guilty?
In your mind there are absolutely no innocent people in prisons around the world, despite numerous cases of wrongful or overturned convictions?
Surely even you don't believe that (and therefore question answered).
But you've still been found guilty. Therefore under law you are guilty. That law is irrelevant now as t whether you did it or not.
And that's why they are copping the punishment. Doesn't necessarily make it right though.
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Are you really saying they didn't break drug rules?

You're probably the type who thinks Warne was harshly treated for his drug cheating.
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God is an Englishman wrote:Are you really saying they didn't break drug rules?

You're probably the type who thinks Warne was harshly treated for his drug cheating.
If all he took was headache tablets that contained banned ingredients, then yes. End of, he copped his punishment.

As for your first question, why take blood samples if you cant prove what's in them? Point being, they couldn't find anything illegal which is the fundamental root of determination (in a normal civilised society), but clearly when WADA are involved, flimsy evidence, what might have occurred and "un-oathed heresay" is more than enough.
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"I thought I was given.........." yet tests showed no such substance. Call it poor form by the club, no doubt, but they've been punished enough already.
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Bomber wrote:
"I thought I was given.........." yet tests showed no such substance. Call it poor form by the club, no doubt, but they've been punished enough already.
How have they been punished enough already? standard ban for drug cheats is 2 years. They only got 1. WADA should appeal.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:
"I thought I was given.........." yet tests showed no such substance. Call it poor form by the club, no doubt, but they've been punished enough already.
How have they been punished enough already? standard ban for drug cheats is 2 years. They only got 1. WADA should appeal.
WADA should appeal their own "win"? :lol:

If we're talking standards, why do usual "standards" not apply when obtaining undoubted evidence then?
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Prosecutions appeal guilty verdicts all the time when they feel the punishment was too low.

Personally, I feel that an admission of guilt is enough evidence.
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God is an Englishman wrote:Prosecutions appeal guilty verdicts all the time when they feel the punishment was too low.

Personally, I feel that an admission of guilt is enough evidence.
Admission of an action when unaware of actual substance isn't quite the same.

And incompetent WADA, and especially incompetent ASADA should be thanking their lucky stars they got away with such a win.
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Prosecutions appeal guilty verdicts all the time when they feel the punishment was too low.

Personally, I feel that an admission of guilt is enough evidence.
Admission of an action when unaware of actual substance isn't quite the same.

And incompetent WADA, and especially incompetent ASADA should be thanking their lucky stars they got away with such a win.

I'm sure those Chinese swimmers didn't know what they were taking either. It's OK to take banned substances as long as your coach doesn't tell you what's in them :lol:
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Prosecutions appeal guilty verdicts all the time when they feel the punishment was too low.

Personally, I feel that an admission of guilt is enough evidence.
Admission of an action when unaware of actual substance isn't quite the same.

And incompetent WADA, and especially incompetent ASADA should be thanking their lucky stars they got away with such a win.

I'm sure those Chinese swimmers didn't know what they were taking either. It's OK to take banned substances as long as your coach doesn't tell you what's in them :lol:
:lol: at the comparison of deliberate systematic growth hormones as opposed to vitamin supplements.........sorry, "alleged vitamin supplements"
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Banned substance = banned substance
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God is an Englishman wrote:Banned substance = banned substance
Proven banned substance doesn't equal presumed/unproven substance.
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Banned substance = banned substance
Proven banned substance doesn't equal presumed/unproven substance.
WADA issued a statement confirming that the substance that Watson said he was taking is a banned substance

I can't wait for the next Olympics when the 100m final winner says his coach told him it was OK and therefore you defend him.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Banned substance = banned substance
Proven banned substance doesn't equal presumed/unproven substance.
WADA issued a statement confirming that the substance that Watson said he was taking is a banned substance

I can't wait for the next Olympics when the 100m final winner says his coach told him it was OK and therefore you defend him.
I will if I believe he or she is genuine. Cant imagine that a 100m sprinter would be looking at similar supplements to that of a football player though, but who knows.
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Sorry Mr Olympic Tester I didn't know anabolic steroids were a banned substance, my coach said they were fine.

That's OK then, we'll let you off and you can keep your gold medal.
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God is an Englishman wrote:Sorry Mr Olympic Tester I didn't know anabolic steroids were a banned substance, my coach said they were fine.

That's OK then, we'll let you off and you can keep your gold medal.
I love the extremes you use. :lol: Why not add rocket fuel as well? I said if I believe they were genuine, or maybe you missed that part.
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God is an Englishman wrote:Sorry Mr Olympic Tester I didn't know anabolic steroids were a banned substance, my coach said they were fine.

That's OK then, we'll let you off and you can keep your gold medal.
More like "Sorry Mr Tester, when you asked me what drugs I was taking, I just completely forgot to tell you 31 times about the daily injections we've been having offsite and away from the doctor's eyes"

Oh, that's okay then.

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