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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 6774538768#

EXCLUSIVE: SECRET documents and a bombshell email have lifted the lid on behind-the-scenes inducements offered to Essendon and James Hird as the AFL worked frantically to pressure him to accept drugs scandal penalties.

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EXCLUSIVE: SECRET documents and a bombshell email have lifted the lid on behind-the-scenes inducements offered to Essendon and James Hird as the AFL worked frantically to pressure him to accept drugs scandal penalties.
The Herald Sun can reveal that days before the August 26-27 AFL Commission hearing was due to consider penalties, deals were being proposed by Australia's top government-appointed sports official, John Wylie.


A document emailed by Wylie to Essendon chairman Paul Little on the night of August 23 outlined potential settlement terms as the crisis threatened to spill into the Supreme Court.

Wylie, the Australian Sports Commission chairman, suggests: "Hird as senior coach takes responsibility for the inadequate governance and oversight within the club's football department that gave rise to this situation.

James Hird leaves his Toorak home this morning. Picture: Nicole Garmston
"It is however acknowledged …. to the best of the AFL's knowledge and belief, Hird did not promote or encourage an unethical environment within the club; Hird has not brought the game into disrepute.

"In the totality of the circumstances, the AFL will impose, and Hird will accept, a 12-month suspension from all coaching duties."

In a separate document presented to Hird on August 23, amid negotiations between Wylie and Little, the Essendon coach is offered "an outstanding career development opportunity" in return for dropping his legal action against the AFL.

Offers of "no player sanctions'' and "no double jeopardy'' despite an ASADA investigation are discussed.

Dressed in a suit and tie, he got into his car and drove away without making comment.

Wylie said last night: "I was requested by both Paul Little and (AFL Commission chairman) Mike Fitzpatrick, in the first instance by Paul, to assist in communications between the AFL and Essendon at a time when ­direct communication between them was difficult."

On 3AW this morning, AFL chief Andrew Demetriou said the sanctions against Essendon, Hird and other club officials were the toughest in the history of the sport.

Essendon coach James Hird.
"There's no deal. The deal is what was announced on the day," he said.

Mr Demetriou added that there were no inducements offered by the AFL.

But he said while the AFL Commission was not permitted to have dialogue with Essendon, he acknowledged chairman Mike Fitzpatrick's friend Wylie, who was talking to Little, may have had dialogue with the Commission boss.

He said he was not privy to any negotiations as a commissioner.

Mr Demetriou also said the terms of the settlement included stipulation that Hird was not paid by Essendon amid suggestions he is potentially being paid while on suspension.

"He is not being paid. Part of the sanction is that he is suspended without pay from the Essendon Football Club," he said.

Mr Demetriou insisted there was nothing inappropriate about conversations held before the Commission hearing.

The league will reportedly send a letter to all clubs this morning "clarifying elements" of the bombshell revelations.

League spokesman James Tonkin said last night: "Numerous discussions took place at different levels in a bid to resolve the matter as quickly and appropriately as possible."

An offer to allow Hird to receive a full salary while serving a 12-month ban was also discussed.

The document presented to the Essendon coach reads: "Charge of bringing game into disrepute dropped. 12 months suspension starting now.''

It states Hird could also keep his place in the AFL Hall of Fame and be "acknowledged by the AFL as a legend of the game".

Little says Hird did it for the club 0:47 Play video Essendon chairman Paul Little says outgoing coach James Hird accepted the penalties for the good of the club.

In exchange for the offers, the document says Hird therefore "withdraws all legal action immediately".

A string of revelations to be published in the Herald Sun and The Australian over the coming days raises major perception issues surrounding the integrity and the outcome of both the drugs probe and the AFL Commission hearing.

AFL chief Andrew Demetriou said on August 7: "To suggest the AFL Commission and the people on the commission would somehow predetermine an outcome is offensive and just plain wrong."

It is not known if all AFL commissioners were aware of Wylie's involvement or of proposed inducements at the time they were asked to sign off on the final resolution against Essendon and its four officials on August 27.

Little last night confirmed the talks with Wylie. He said: ``John Wylie is a longstanding personal friend and we discussed possible strategies for settling the dispute.''

Hird is understood to have rebuffed the inducements put on the table on August 23, only to accept a 12-month suspension four days later under fierce pressure and fearing that he would be banished from the game and his club.

There were also discussions about sending Hird to Oxford University in England, where both Wylie and Fitzpatrick are Rhodes scholars.

Hird later independently applied to attend the exclusive Fontainebleau business school in France, passing an entrance exam in Singapore. He has just returned from his $120,000 MBA studies.

Sources have questioned why Wylie as chairman of the Sports Commission - which works with the Australian Sports and Anti-Doping Authority to fight drug cheating and which promotes integrity in sport - was drafted into pre-hearing bartering with the approval of AFL Commission chairman Fitzpatrick.

Proposed penalties for Mark Thompson, Bruce Reid and Danny Corcoran are also stated in correspondence, with Thompson cleared to coach again in 2014.

A club fine of $1.5 million and the deduction of 12 premiership points "so as to miss the finals" are also documented. The club was ultimately fined $2 million and relegated to ninth on the AFL ladder.

Hird and Fitzpatrick did not return questions from the ­Herald Sun.

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No corruption in this sport hey. :wink:

Long way to go to match Blatter and co though.
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all about Hird not taking AFL to court.
He must of had some serious allegations and the AFL heirachy didnt want to go through the court process

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Another scandal?? This has been going on for most of the year... You can't even get a thread title right, bubu, you :clown:

Vlad needs to go. Gillian needs to go. The AFL commission probably need to get on their bike as well. I always laugh when they state their primary focus is maintaining the integrity of the game while getting paid nice big fat bonuses for selling out the game.
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LFTWNG11 wrote:Another scandal?? This has been going on for most of the year... You can't even get a thread title right, bubu, you :clown:

Vlad needs to go. Gillian needs to go. The AFL commission probably need to get on their bike as well. I always laugh when they state their primary focus is maintaining the integrity of the game while getting paid nice big fat bonuses for selling out the game.

Oi dropkick, Yes it's ANOTHER scandal!
It was ONLY made public last night, so unless u knew it about it (which like most of ur opinions is full of sh*t) or ur some sort of fortune teller


Ps, look in the mirror before calling others a :clown:


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But Cornesy said the Bombers thing was a storm in a teacup...

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another excuse to bash the AFL

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ruud wrote:another excuse to bash the AFL

yawn

and a good reason to.


afl trying hard to be like fifa
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Seriously, who cares what they are doing.
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Black_Panther wrote:Seriously, who cares what they are doing.

the other 14 AFL clubs do!
apart from the big 4 victorian teams that get the "favourable" calls from the afl

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ruud wrote:another excuse to bash the AFL
yawn
Must be something in it. The issue occupied the front page, 4 whole inside pages & a page-long editorial of a daily Melbourne paper.

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Con M wrote:
ruud wrote:another excuse to bash the AFL
yawn
Must be something in it. The issue occupied the front page, 4 whole inside pages & a page-long editorial of a daily Melbourne paper.


SSShhh we dont want to BASH the AFL, con
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Con M wrote:
ruud wrote:another excuse to bash the AFL
yawn
Must be something in it. The issue occupied the front page, 4 whole inside pages & a page-long editorial of a daily Melbourne paper.
nothing wrong with that

sick of people finding every chance to bash the AFL here
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ruud wrote:
Con M wrote:
ruud wrote:another excuse to bash the AFL
yawn
Must be something in it. The issue occupied the front page, 4 whole inside pages & a page-long editorial of a daily Melbourne paper.
nothing wrong with that

sick of people finding every chance to bash the AFL here

happens every day to the real football and AU!

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Why shouldn't people speak up when they see stuff-ups in that code.

After all the years of soccer-football being bashed and put down, taunted with the "sheilas, wogs and poofters" tag, it's good to see some fight-back.

ps, another smaller scandal recently was the fact that more overseas players were recruited to the AFL than from QLD & NSW. And none at all from the NT. Two of those overseas players hadn't even heard of aussie rules until a couple of years ago.

And this after all that AFL money was poured into those eastern states...

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Con M wrote:
After all the years of soccer-football being bashed and put down, taunted with the "sheilas, wogs and poofters" tag, it's good to see some fight-back.
back in the 70s
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ruud wrote:
Con M wrote:
After all the years of soccer-football being bashed and put down, taunted with the "sheilas, wogs and poofters" tag, it's good to see some fight-back.
back in the 70s



The crapvertiser and 5aa has been up until recently on the bash AU and football bandwagon.
The news channels aren't any better, last time I watched that crap.

SBS news is so much more better and the content is more about world news and shows more about what matters!


but yeah, just wait till something trivial about world football is mentioned in the local papers and media, then u will see real football bashing at its finest!



until then, lets see how the afl and king demetriou brush this scandal under the rug

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ruud wrote:
Con M wrote:
After all the years of soccer-football being bashed and put down, taunted with the "sheilas, wogs and poofters" tag, it's good to see some fight-back.
back in the 70s
Not so just back in the 70s, Moderator ruud. Open eyes and ears - it's not openly acceptable by society these days, but it is lurking just underneath the surface..

ps, Moderator ruud - any comment on the minor scandal of more overseas recruits (incl. a couple who didn't even know aussie rules existed 2 years ago) than from QLD & NSW and none at all from the NT?

pps, Moderator ruud - digressing a bit, I sort of remember a while back in another thread you said there were quite a few contentious issues going on within the Oval SMA. Care to enlighten us, or would that be whistle-blowing?

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Con M wrote:
ruud wrote:
Con M wrote:
After all the years of soccer-football being bashed and put down, taunted with the "sheilas, wogs and poofters" tag, it's good to see some fight-back.
back in the 70s
Not so just back in the 70s, Moderator ruud. Open eyes and ears - it's not openly acceptable by society these days, but it is lurking just underneath the surface..

ps, Moderator ruud - any comment on the minor scandal of more overseas recruits (incl. a couple who didn't even know aussie rules existed 2 years ago) than from QLD & NSW and none at all from the NT?

pps, Moderator ruud - digressing a bit, I sort of remember a while back in another thread you said there were quite a few contentious issues going on within the Oval SMA. Care to enlighten us, or would that be whistle-blowing?

cmon ConM surely ur not suggesting that the AFL and the mighty Demetriou are not that transparent???

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bubu wrote:
ruud wrote:
Con M wrote:
After all the years of soccer-football being bashed and put down, taunted with the "sheilas, wogs and poofters" tag, it's good to see some fight-back.
back in the 70s



The crapvertiser and 5aa has been up until recently on the bash AU and football bandwagon.
The news channels aren't any better, last time I watched that crap.

SBS news is so much more better and the content is more about world news and shows more about what matters!


but yeah, just wait till something trivial about world football is mentioned in the local papers and media, then u will see real football bashing at its finest!



until then, lets see how the afl and king demetriou brush this scandal under the rug
of course if AU are doing bad people will bash them... the fans do it too

of course if something bad happens in football (as we all know its corrupt as shiraz) itll be reported - just as they did with the AFL scandals.... :?
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Con M wrote:
ruud wrote:
Con M wrote:
After all the years of soccer-football being bashed and put down, taunted with the "sheilas, wogs and poofters" tag, it's good to see some fight-back.
back in the 70s
Not so just back in the 70s, Moderator ruud. Open eyes and ears - it's not openly acceptable by society these days, but it is lurking just underneath the surface..

ps, Moderator ruud - any comment on the minor scandal of more overseas recruits (incl. a couple who didn't even know aussie rules existed 2 years ago) than from QLD & NSW and none at all from the NT?

pps, Moderator ruud - digressing a bit, I sort of remember a while back in another thread you said there were quite a few contentious issues going on within the Oval SMA. Care to enlighten us, or would that be whistle-blowing?
why is it a scandal to recruit overseas players?

as for your last post, there have been many issues between SANFL and SACA causing issues which stem from the past.Cant go into it any more than that or I wont have a job anymore ;)
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ruud wrote:
bubu wrote:
ruud wrote:
back in the 70s



The crapvertiser and 5aa has been up until recently on the bash AU and football bandwagon.
The news channels aren't any better, last time I watched that crap.

SBS news is so much more better and the content is more about world news and shows more about what matters!


but yeah, just wait till something trivial about world football is mentioned in the local papers and media, then u will see real football bashing at its finest!



until then, lets see how the afl and king demetriou brush this scandal under the rug
of course if AU are doing bad people will bash them... the fans do it too

of course if something bad happens in football (as we all know its corrupt as shiraz) itll be reported - just as they did with the AFL scandals.... :?

we all know that the aussie media is afl friendly, and will only report on what they feel will do the less damage to the brand as possible. Just like the cricket, over 75 ejections and just under 10 arrests in adelaide for the last test... yet the police have come out and said that thh crowd behaved ok!!!!
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Con M wrote:
ruud wrote:
Con M wrote:
After all the years of soccer-football being bashed and put down, taunted with the "sheilas, wogs and poofters" tag, it's good to see some fight-back.
back in the 70s
Not so just back in the 70s, Moderator ruud. Open eyes and ears - it's not openly acceptable by society these days, but it is lurking just underneath the surface..

ps, Moderator ruud - any comment on the minor scandal of more overseas recruits (incl. a couple who didn't even know aussie rules existed 2 years ago) than from QLD & NSW and none at all from the NT?

pps, Moderator ruud - digressing a bit, I sort of remember a while back in another thread you said there were quite a few contentious issues going on within the Oval SMA. Care to enlighten us, or would that be whistle-blowing?
why is it a scandal to recruit overseas players?

as for your last post, there have been many issues between SANFL and SACA causing issues which stem from the past.Cant go into it any more than that or I wont have a job anymore ;)[/quote]

Fair answer re the SANFL/SACA issues - will it eventually all come out?

As for the minor scandal of recruiters going for overseas players ahead of looking in QLD & NSW (combined population of 12 million people) and choosing none from the NT at all - well IMO that is outrageous. They could have missed hell knows how many speedy Rioli-type players in favour of heavier bigger overseas ones who probably don't even know how to kick an oval ball.

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May'be going through the draft system is too much of a pain in the arsé.

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Nocturnal Me wrote:May'be going through the draft system is too much of a pain in the arsé.

Not if they are greek!
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Seems what Cornesy described as a "storm in a teacup" won't go away. Now Mrs Hird has joined in the fray.

What will be Lord Demetriou's response?

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Yes, will be interesting to see how Demetriou handles a woman telling him off and making him look a mug. He should have resigned long ago. His AFL "brand" damage is much of his own doing.
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Tania Hird calls on AFL to 'stop distorting truth' over James Hird suspension
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Photo: James Hird's wife has called on the AFL to "stop distorting the truth" over his suspension. (Getty Images: Quinn Rooney) Map: Melbourne 3000
The wife of suspended Essendon coach James Hird says AFL chief Andrew Demetriou has known all along that her husband is being paid during his 12-month ban.

Hird's punishment was part of the club's penalties - which included a $2 million fine and being banned from this year's finals - for its controversial 2012 supplements program.

On Wednesday, Tania Hird told News Corp that her husband agreed to a sanction with pay in lieu of taking the AFL to court.

"Of course he's being paid, that was the deal," Mrs Hird said.

"Andrew Demetriou knew it, the AFL knew it."

Her comments contradict Demetriou's statement last week that Hird was not being remunerated by the AFL or Essendon.

Mrs Hird also accused the AFL of "threatening" her husband and the Bombers and wants the governing body to "stop distorting the truth".

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AFL chief Andrew Demetriou is expected to give a statement following Tania Hird's claim that he has known all along that her husband, James, is being paid by Essendon during his suspension.
In her first public comments since footy's supplements scandal broke in February, Hird's wife has slammed ­Demetriou's claims that the suspended coach is banned from receiving a salary.

Mrs Hird has accused the AFL of a "total disregard for the truth" and "appalling'' ­behaviour throughout the drugs saga.

She has also called on the league to stop "threatening" her husband and Bombers.

Mrs Hird has called for the league to back off.

"In my opinion, it's time for the AFL to stop threatening my husband, it's time for them to stop threatening the club, and it's time for them to stop distorting the truth. Their behaviour this year has been appalling," she said.



Tania Hird says it’s time for the AFL to stop “threatening” husband James. Picture: David Caird Source: News Limited

A furious Mrs Hird said the Essendon coach accepted his ban only as a result of threats.

"James took a 12-month suspension because he was threatened,'' she said.

"The club was threatened, he was threatened.

"In the end the club said, you know, it's in the best interests of the club, we need to move on, which is what we did.''

With the week-long stand-off over the Essendon coach's pay continuing, Mrs Hird broke her silence on yesterday.

"Of course he's being paid, that was the deal," Mrs Hird said.

"Andrew Demetriou knew it, the AFL knew it."

Her comments contradict Demetriou's categorical statement last Wednesday that Hird was not being paid by the AFL or by Essendon.

"If there is one thing I will go to my grave on, I know 100 per cent the AFL is not paying and I know that Essendon is not paying," the league chief told 3AW.

3AW radio reported today that Demetriou was going to issue a statement following Mrs Hird's comments.

Mrs Hird launched her ­tirade after being approached outside the family's Toorak home.

The mother-of-four added that Hird would have taken the AFL to court if pay was not on the table.

"We wouldn't have taken a sanction without pay, we would have taken the AFL to the Supreme Court and they knew that, Demetriou knew that," she said.

It was revealed last week within hours of Demetriou's pay claims that Hird was still pocketing a salary.

The league then admitted there was nothing in writing in the AFL Commission's final agreement on sanctions but claimed Essendon gave a verbal guarantee not to pay Hird two weeks after the August hearing.



But Mrs Hird, a commercial property lawyer, rubbished the assertion.

"You can't change an agreement without somebody's knowledge and without their say so," she said.

"James agreed to a sanction with pay and that's what it was, Andrew knew that.''

Asked whether she believed the AFL boss should clarify the situation, she said she could not tell Demetriou what to do.

"There's a lot of things I would like to say to Andrew Demetriou over this year but I think I've said enough," she said.


Mrs Hird said the public was not being given the whole truth about the supplements scandal that rocked Essendon and the AFL and the subsequent hearing.

"It's just the distortion of the truth and, you know, it's been really hard to take," she said.

Demetriou raised the pay issue in a ­response to revelations that Hird had been given ­inducements, including a guaranteed salary during any suspension, amid ­secret negotiations ­between Australian Sports Commission chairman John ­Wylie and Bombers chairman Paul Little.

Demetriou has been silent since the claims that Hird was not being paid.

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