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England cricket board makes it tougher for foreigners to qualify for national team

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About time.

The English cricket board has made it tougher for foreigners to qualify for the national cricket team.

The English have for a long time happily relied on members of its former colonies to strengthen their playing ranks at international level.

They have happily bolstered their teams with players from South Africa, Zimbabwe, West Indies, India, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and Pakistan.

If the overseas-born players arrive after their 18th birthday under the England and Wales Cricket Board's new rules, they must wait seven years rather than four years to qualify.

For those that live in England before they turn 18, the period of qualification will be four years.

The English have come under fire for their system turning into a viable career path for overseas players that have struggled to breakthrough in their homelands.

South African-born batsman Kevin Pietersen is a perfect example of this.

In protest at the controversial quota system, he headed to England and five years after his county debut produced his Ashes-clinching century for England at The Oval in 2005.

Jonathan Trott, a British passport holder, played in the Under-15 and Under-19 World Cups for South Africa before making his debut with England in the 2009 Ashes decider.

The amendment allows for the ECB's discretion to reduce the residence period to four years for players who hail from a country which is a non-International Cricket Council full member or who arrived in England before April 25.

That caveat could, possibly, apply to Irish players aiming to follow the same path as Irishman Eoin Morgan.

The moves comes at a time when England is the world's No.1 ranked Test nation



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Look how many foreigners have played for them. This is only going back 30 years. There's way more than this.

South Africans
Tony Greig
Allan Lamb
Ian Greig
Chris Smith
Robin Smith
Kevin Pietersen
Andrew Strauss

West Indians
Roland Butcher
Monte Lynch
Gladstone Small
"Daffy" DeFreitas
Norman Cowans
Wilfred Slack
Devon Malcolm
Neil Williams
Chris Lewis
Joey Benjamin

Australia
Jason Gallian
Ben Holioake
Adam Holioake
Tim Ambrose

Zimbabwe
Paul Parker
Graeme Hick
Phil Edmonds

New Zealanders (I'm really disgusted now)
Andy Caddick (Really disgusted because we trained him to be good).

India
Bob Woolmer
Robin Jackman
Vikram Solanki
Minal Patel
Nasser Hussain

Pakistan
Usman Afzaal
Owais Shah

Wales
Tony Lewis
Pat Pocock
Greg Thomas
Steve Watkin
Hugh Morris
Robert Croft
Simon Jones

Ireland
Ed Joyce

Northern Ireland
Martin McCague

Scotland
Mike Denness (You had a Scotsman captain your team. You English must be embarassed about that).
Gavin Hamilton
Peter Such
Dougie Brown

Hong Kong
Dermot Reeve

Germany
Paul Terry

Kenya
Derek Pringle
Jamie Dalrymple

Zambia
Neal Radford

Papua New Guinea
Geraint Jones



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:36 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:37 am 
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England cricket's love of the old empire has reached new and greater heights, with yet another South African called up to its national team.

Not content with four South Africans and an Irishman clogging up its batting line-up, now there is a South African bowler as well.

Jade Dernbach has been named for the second Test against Sri Lanka at Lords, replacing James Anderson, who has been ruled out with a side strain suffered before England's dramatic first Test win at Cardiff.


Another South African, Jonathan Trott, was man of the match with a double century.

This means that just six of England's 12-man squad were actually born in the country they're representing, which must be some sort of record, even by the cosmopolitan traditions of their cricket team for over a century.

Captain Andrew Strauss, who was born in South Africa and attended school in Melbourne during Mike Gatting's 1986-87 Ashes triumph, claimed that having so many overseas players was the benefit of an empire.

Dernbach, 25, was born and educated in Johannesburg before debuting for England county Surry at the age of just 17.

He should feel right at home in the England team with fellow South-African born players Strauss, Trott, Kevin Pietersen and Matt Prior.

With Irishman Eoin Morgan recently replacing Paul Collingwood, only Alastair Cook and Ian Bell are England-born batsmen.

England's International XI
Andrew Strauss (South Africa)
Alastair Cook (England)
Ian Bell (England)
Stuart Broad (England)
Jade Dernbach (South Africa)
Steven Finn (England)
Eoin Morgan (Ireland)
Kevin Pietersen (South Africa)
Matt Prior (South Africa)
Graeme Swann (England)
Chris Tremlett (England)
Jonathan Trott (South Africa)
* country of birth in brackets


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:38 am 
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Every country does it. Get over yourself.



run along bodo......


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:39 am 
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Every country does it. Get over yourself.


How many "non-Pakistanis" are playing for Pakistan?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:56 am 
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Dav Whatmore :P

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Wow...That's quite a list there Bubu....


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When you've written 1000 articles about how shit the Australian cricket team is, then what is there left to write about.

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Funny how it was never a problem until Australia were cabernet.
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A large number of them players also moved to England as children.


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As a Australia grows, i can guarantee that in years to come the Aussies will be exactly the same.


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As a Australia grows, i can guarantee that in years to come the Aussies will be exactly the same.


shiraz yeah......he can be from Mars for all I care, as long as he loves this country and more importantly can bat for a day....


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Dav Whatmore :P


Try again. :P

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Ian_Wright wrote:
As a Australia grows, i can guarantee that in years to come the Aussies will be exactly the same.


shiraz yeah......he can be from Mars for all I care, as long as he loves this country and more importantly can bat for a day....

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Can someone name all the non Englishman in the current England side?

I'll give you a clue there's only 1 and he's scottish.

Love how it mentions "south african born Kevin Pietersen", the guy is as English as ashton agar is australian and a lot more English than khawaja is australian.

I disagree with the ECB's policy though. My son would have to wait 7 years until he'd be eligible to play for England unless I move him home before he's 18.

Meanwhile cricket australia has no such policy.

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God is an Englishman wrote:
Love how it mentions "south african born Kevin Pietersen", the guy is as English as ashton agar is australian.


How? KP was born in South Africa, Ashton was born in Australia.

Ashton didn't have to serve a qualification period to play international cricket for Australia.


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God is an Englishman wrote:
Love how it mentions "south african born Kevin Pietersen", the guy is as English as ashton agar is australian.


How? KP was born in South Africa, Ashton was born in Australia.

Ashton didn't have to serve a qualification period to play international cricket for Australia.



KP is half English, agar is half australian. Both were entitled to their passports at birth.

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Rose Pedals wrote:
Dav Whatmore :P

Try again. :P


Are you saying he doesn't play his part in that team?

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Still waiting on all these non English players in the England side to be named.

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bubu wrote:
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Look how many foreigners have played for them. This is only going back 30 years. There's way more than this.

South Africans
Tony Greig
Allan Lamb
Ian Greig
Chris Smith
Robin Smith
Kevin Pietersen
Andrew Strauss

West Indians
Roland Butcher
Monte Lynch
Gladstone Small
"Daffy" DeFreitas
Norman Cowans
Wilfred Slack
Devon Malcolm
Neil Williams
Chris Lewis
Joey Benjamin

Australia
Jason Gallian
Ben Holioake
Adam Holioake
Tim Ambrose

Zimbabwe
Paul Parker
Graeme Hick
Phil Edmonds

New Zealanders (I'm really disgusted now)
Andy Caddick (Really disgusted because we trained him to be good).

India
Bob Woolmer
Robin Jackman
Vikram Solanki
Minal Patel
Nasser Hussain

Pakistan
Usman Afzaal
Owais Shah

Wales
Tony Lewis
Pat Pocock
Greg Thomas
Steve Watkin
Hugh Morris
Robert Croft
Simon Jones

Ireland
Ed Joyce

Northern Ireland
Martin McCague

Scotland
Mike Denness (You had a Scotsman captain your team. You English must be embarassed about that).
Gavin Hamilton
Peter Such
Dougie Brown

Hong Kong
Dermot Reeve

Germany
Paul Terry

Kenya
Derek Pringle
Jamie Dalrymple

Zambia
Neal Radford

Papua New Guinea
Geraint Jones



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:13 am 
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There's only one current player in that list and he's English.

STILL WAITING!!

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God is an Englishman wrote:
There's only one current player in that list and he's English.

STILL WAITING!!



hold ur breath....


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bubu wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
There's only one current player in that list and he's English.

STILL WAITING!!



hold ur breath....



it's starting to get boring constantly showing you how wrong you are.

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God is an Englishman wrote:
bubu wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
There's only one current player in that list and he's English.

STILL WAITING!!



hold ur breath....



it's starting to get boring constantly showing you how wrong you are.



then do us all a favour and P*ss off!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:55 am 
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The England cricket team represents England and Wales. However, under ICC regulations, players can qualify to play for a country by nationality, place of birth or residence, so (as with any national sports team) some people are eligible to play for more than one team. ECB regulations state that to play for England, a player must be a British or Irish citizen, and have either been born in England or Wales, or have lived in England or Wales for the last four years. This has led to players of many other nationalities becoming eligible to play for England. ICC regulations allow cricketers who represent associate (i.e. non-Test-playing) nations to switch to a Test-playing nation, provided nationality requirements are fulfilled. In recent years, this has seen Irish internationals Ed Joyce and Eoin Morgan switch to represent England, whilst Gavin Hamilton previously played for Scotland – though four years after his last appearance for England, he became eligible to play for Scotland again.

Of the current squad (see above), Craig Kieswetter, Matt Prior, Kevin Pietersen and Jonathan Trott are all South African-born but qualify through British parentage (though they still had to fulfil residency requirements Jade Dernbach and Stuart Meaker have British citizenship having lived in England since their youth, while Eoin Morgan is an Irish citizen.




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The England cricket team represents England and Wales. However, under ICC regulations, players can qualify to play for a country by nationality, place of birth or residence, so (as with any national sports team) some people are eligible to play for more than one team. ECB regulations state that to play for England, a player must be a British or Irish citizen, and have either been born in England or Wales, or have lived in England or Wales for the last four years. This has led to players of many other nationalities becoming eligible to play for England. ICC regulations allow cricketers who represent associate (i.e. non-Test-playing) nations to switch to a Test-playing nation, provided nationality requirements are fulfilled. In recent years, this has seen Irish internationals Ed Joyce and Eoin Morgan switch to represent England, whilst Gavin Hamilton previously played for Scotland – though four years after his last appearance for England, he became eligible to play for Scotland again.

Of the current squad (see above), Craig Kieswetter, Matt Prior, Kevin Pietersen and Jonathan Trott are all South African-born but qualify through British parentage (though they still had to fulfil residency requirements Jade Dernbach and Stuart Meaker have British citizenship having lived in England since their youth, while Eoin Morgan is an Irish citizen.





You're getting closer, but only 3 of those are in the current England squad (let alone side).

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bubu wrote:
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The England cricket team represents England and Wales. However, under ICC regulations, players can qualify to play for a country by nationality, place of birth or residence, so (as with any national sports team) some people are eligible to play for more than one team. ECB regulations state that to play for England, a player must be a British or Irish citizen, and have either been born in England or Wales, or have lived in England or Wales for the last four years. This has led to players of many other nationalities becoming eligible to play for England. ICC regulations allow cricketers who represent associate (i.e. non-Test-playing) nations to switch to a Test-playing nation, provided nationality requirements are fulfilled. In recent years, this has seen Irish internationals Ed Joyce and Eoin Morgan switch to represent England, whilst Gavin Hamilton previously played for Scotland – though four years after his last appearance for England, he became eligible to play for Scotland again.

Of the current squad (see above), Craig Kieswetter, Matt Prior, Kevin Pietersen and Jonathan Trott are all South African-born but qualify through British parentage (though they still had to fulfil residency requirements Jade Dernbach and Stuart Meaker have British citizenship having lived in England since their youth, while Eoin Morgan is an Irish citizen.




England would love FIFA to bring that rule in, you might see a competitive football side at last.


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ozzie owl wrote:
England would love FIFA to bring that rule in, you might see a competitive football side at last.


residency rules already exist from fifa. eg. you could play for australia

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still waiting for all of these players to be named.

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