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Petro83 wrote:well looks like india will have to chase between 50-60. will be all over by lunch. what a disgraceful wicket! surely they nned to fix the wickets up over there.

What was wrong with it?

Did India bat on a different wicket to australia?
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Petro83 wrote:well looks like india will have to chase between 50-60. will be all over by lunch. what a disgraceful wicket! surely they nned to fix the wickets up over there.

What was wrong with it?

Did India bat on a different wicket to australia?
Exactly.

Poor team selection and even poorer performance should be what is in question, not the friggin wicket.

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Game over, India win by 8 wickets chasing only 50.

Hard one for man of the match - Ashwin or Dhoni? I'd almost award them jointly.
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Joint award to Dhoni and Ashwin for me. Some of the fizz on those balls (heh) was pretty impressive.
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Petro83 wrote:well looks like india will have to chase between 50-60. will be all over by lunch. what a disgraceful wicket! surely they nned to fix the wickets up over there.
What was wrong with it?

Did India bat on a different wicket to australia?
Exactly. Dhoni made 200, Kohli and Clarke 130(ish)... Henriques two half-centuries on debut.

If Wade (and the slips) picked up even half of the half-chances Lyon generates, Australia would be a far, far better side. Unfortunately the selectors have gone for the keeping all-rounder rather than the gloveman. I wonder if anyone's done any analysis and worked out how many runs would have been "saved" (crap measure, and a bit of a crap study, but it's almost the only way) had Wade snaffled some of the easier ones?

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This seems to happen a lot though, as soon as a wicket does anything then people jump up and down.

Who has decided that you have to prepare a pitch for quick bowlers than break up and give the spinners something in the 2nd dig.

It's called home advantage, you prepare a pitch to suit your own game. If that's a dodgy pitch then surenly the Indian can complain about perth that yo've set up a pitch that doesn't suit spin bowling.

australia should have learnt from England's mistake of only playing 1 spinner. Unfortunately for you guys, we have panesar and swann and you have lyon and doherty. Cannot see you turning this around somehow.
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fair points - can't argue with that really.

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God is an Englishman wrote:australia should have learnt from England's mistake of only playing 1 spinner. Unfortunately for you guys, we have panesar and swann and you have lyon and doherty. Cannot see you turning this around somehow.
Doherty, lol.

Neither do I...

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thoughts on spinners and playing them?

seems to me the indians always play them better as they are exposed to them a lot more, and we go over there and face 3 quality spinners where we have a developing spinner and a captain that cannot use him properly and doesn't back him

lyon can bowl a wicket ball but needed a lot more support from his team and captain i feel

that innings by dhoni was a cracker though, 80% strike rate in test cricket is fantastic

the pitch didn't have as many demons in it we just cannot play spin
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DOC wrote:the pitch didn't have as many demons in it we just cannot play spin
We haven't been able to for years. Swann's only an above-average spinner who has had a few good years, but we made him look like Murali - or Warne.

To me, the major part of the problem is that most of our batsmen don't have the temperament for Test cricket; they're not able to time their innings the way (say) Hussey and Clarke could/can. Cowan and Warner are perfect cases in point - both time their innings in the wrong way, such that Cowan over-thinks, and Warner doesn't think at all...

I also think that world bowling stocks in the early-2000s were actually pretty poor, hence Australia's batsmen of that era were able to make massive scores. Our batsmen have been brought up on bouncy but otherwise lifeless pitches, in a country with little cloud which means the ball will swing less. We've produced multiple generations of cricketers who are flat-track bullies, and we're getting found out.

Mind you, being brought back to everyone else's level makes for much more gripping cricket.

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DOC wrote:the pitch didn't have as many demons in it we just cannot play spin
We haven't been able to for years. Swann's only an above-average spinner who has had a few good years, but we made him look like Murali - or Warne.
I wish I could be only above average and as good as him. Who is a better spinner in world cricket at the moment?
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Chade wrote:
DOC wrote:the pitch didn't have as many demons in it we just cannot play spin
We haven't been able to for years. Swann's only an above-average spinner who has had a few good years, but we made him look like Murali - or Warne.
I wish I could be only above average and as good as him. Who is a better spinner in world cricket at the moment?
Ashwin.

Swann hasn't taken a Test wicket in 2013. USELESS!

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Herath took more wickets, for less runs, with better strike rate, and better economy than Swann in 2012.

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Bacon888 wrote:Herath took more wickets, for less runs, with better strike rate, and better economy than Swann in 2012.

Are you sure he took more wickets?

Who did Herath take these wickets against and where were they played?
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Bacon888 wrote:Herath took more wickets, for less runs, with better strike rate, and better economy than Swann in 2012.

Are you sure he took more wickets?

Who did Herath take these wickets against and where were they played?
100%.

Test Cricketers, and on an oval.

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Bacon888 wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Bacon888 wrote:Herath took more wickets, for less runs, with better strike rate, and better economy than Swann in 2012.

Are you sure he took more wickets?

Who did Herath take these wickets against and where were they played?
100%.

Test Cricketers, and on an oval.

yes, it appears he took 1 more wicket than Swann in 2012

1 wicket whilst playing 7 matches in the spin friendly conditions of the sub continent compared to 2 by Swann.

I'll take Swann instead of him THANKS!!
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Bacon888 wrote: 100%.

Test Cricketers, and on an oval.

yes, it appears he took 1 more wicket than Swann in 2012

1 wicket whilst playing 7 matches in the spin friendly conditions of the sub continent compared to 2 by Swann.

I'll take Swann instead of him THANKS!!
Swann played 4 more Tests too.

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Bacon888 wrote:
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Bacon888 wrote: 100%.

Test Cricketers, and on an oval.

yes, it appears he took 1 more wicket than Swann in 2012

1 wicket whilst playing 7 matches in the spin friendly conditions of the sub continent compared to 2 by Swann.

I'll take Swann instead of him THANKS!!
Swann played 4 more Tests too.

yes he did, but you know it's not a fair comparison. Playing in colombo and galle compared to trent bridge and the oval.
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Warney seemed to have as good record if not better playing on English wickets as opposed to the sub-continent.
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Bomber wrote:Warney seemed to have as good record if not better playing on English wickets as opposed to the sub-continent.

probably the drugs

I have no idea on the drug cheats record in various countries but be serious for a monent. Where's it easier to take a wicket for a spin bowler. London or Columbo, Manchester or Galle?
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Bomber wrote:Warney seemed to have as good record if not better playing on English wickets as opposed to the sub-continent.

probably the drugs

I have no idea on the drug cheats record in various countries but be serious for a monent. Where's it easier to take a wicket for a spin bowler. London or Columbo, Manchester or Galle?
Depends on the batsmen and the bowler. The pitch thing is obvious but not the only consideration.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:Warney seemed to have as good record if not better playing on English wickets as opposed to the sub-continent.

probably the drugs

I have no idea on the drug cheats record in various countries but be serious for a monent. Where's it easier to take a wicket for a spin bowler. London or Columbo, Manchester or Galle?
Depends on the batsmen and the bowler. The pitch thing is obvious but not the only consideration.
Yes, a spinner would rather bowl to doherty in galle than cook in birmingham.
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What does cooking in birmingham have to do with it?

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PDog wrote:What does cooking in birmingham have to do with it?

you get a good curry there!
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will take your word for it!

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Lyon dropped (not surprised).
Not that it will likely matter for a while, but who'll sing the song now? Why Hussey picked him was laughable to begin with.
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Bomber wrote:Lyon dropped (not surprised).
Not that it will likely matter for a while, but who'll sing the song now? Why Hussey picked him was laughable to begin with.
Lyon is still the best spinner you have.

What the shiraz was that grandstanding declaration all about? Clearly didn't work.

Is clarke even worse a captain than ponting was?
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Australian cricket selectors seem to be doing everything in their power to ensure Australia lose every test in this series

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rulebritannia wrote:Australian cricket selectors seem to be doing everything in their power to ensure Australia lose every test in this series

Maybe this series, but they're pulling out all the stops for the Ashes. They're even putting pressure on immigration to expediate Fawad Ahmed's citizenship. They'll be a laughing stock when he plays.

Maybe we could see kawaja, henriques and ahmed in the same "australia" side. :lol:
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:Lyon dropped (not surprised).
Not that it will likely matter for a while, but who'll sing the song now? Why Hussey picked him was laughable to begin with.
Lyon is still the best spinner you have.

What the shiraz was that grandstanding declaration all about? Clearly didn't work.

Is clarke even worse a captain than ponting was?
And if they got a wicket or two in those couple overs of bowling, he'd have been hailed a hero.

At least he has balls, something your lot probably wouldnt understand.
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:Lyon dropped (not surprised).
Not that it will likely matter for a while, but who'll sing the song now? Why Hussey picked him was laughable to begin with.
Lyon is still the best spinner you have.

What the shiraz was that grandstanding declaration all about? Clearly didn't work.

Is clarke even worse a captain than ponting was?
And if they got a wicket or two in those couple overs of bowling, he'd have been hailed a hero.

At least he has balls, something your lot probably wouldnt understand.
I knew you'd try to defend it. :lol:

he didn't get a wicket though did he, it was a grandstanding declaration. Stupid decision which is being completely shown up now.

What is it 70 run lead with 9 wickets in hand.

An innings defeat looking likely.
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