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Is what Liz says... Wonder if Michael Clarke will?

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would be great if he made a comeback

although its pretty sad that in all this time since he retired we havent found a spinner half as good as him!
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When a player makes Wisden's Team of the Century, basic maths would suggest it will be a few more years before they do!!
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Please no............let the legacy live and leave it up to the current crop. Hell, if we struggle with a no 3 batsman, will we recall Dean Jones?
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I've heard scientists are working on resurrecting Don Bradman as well.

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PDog wrote:I've heard scientists are working on resurrecting Don Bradman as well.

Would love to see him playing again. He'd cabernet himself with modern bowling, just like he did with Larwood.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
PDog wrote:I've heard scientists are working on resurrecting Don Bradman as well.

Would love to see him playing again. He'd cabernet himself with modern bowling, just like he did with Larwood.
Saw that first hand did ya? :wink:

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PDog wrote:
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PDog wrote:I've heard scientists are working on resurrecting Don Bradman as well.

Would love to see him playing again. He'd cabernet himself with modern bowling, just like he did with Larwood.
Saw that first hand did ya? :wink:

I will admit that No i didn't but the same that I know about Henry VIII, I know about bradman the coward. He is the best player of medium pace bowling ever, cabernet himself and pretended to be a journalist when they bowled fast.
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Saw that first hand did ya? :wink:
I will admit that No i didn't but the same that I know about Henry VIII, I know about bradman the coward. He is the best player of medium pace bowling ever, cabernet himself and pretended to be a journalist when they bowled fast.
Ok then, glad you admit you didn't see it. Therefore, everything else is hearsay and irrelevant.

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PDog wrote:
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PDog wrote:
Saw that first hand did ya? :wink:
I will admit that No i didn't but the same that I know about Henry VIII, I know about bradman the coward. He is the best player of medium pace bowling ever, cabernet himself and pretended to be a journalist when they bowled fast.
Ok then, glad you admit you didn't see it. Therefore, everything else is hearsay and irrelevant.
It's not hearsay, I've read a primary source.

It's a fact that bradman didn't play in the first test of the 32/33 series because he wanted to be a journalist instead of facing Larwood and Voce
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and yet came out in the 2nd test and made a 100

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adam wrote:and yet came out in the 2nd test and made a 100
he did, how did he go in the first innings?

Also, his average nearly halved in that series
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God is an Englishman wrote:
adam wrote:and yet came out in the 2nd test and made a 100
he did, how did he go in the first innings?

Also, his average nearly halved in that series
shock horror... bowled by Bowes for 0

he made 66 in the 2nd innings at Adelaide. c&b Verity
76 and 24 in Perth - falling to Larwood both times
48 and 71 in Sydney - Larwood and Verity taking his wicket.

he still topped the Aust series ave.

his career average against teams with Larwood was still well over 80.

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adam wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
adam wrote:and yet came out in the 2nd test and made a 100
he did, how did he go in the first innings?

Also, his average nearly halved in that series
shock horror... bowled by Bowes for 0

he made 66 in the 2nd innings at Adelaide. c&b Verity
76 and 24 in Perth - falling to Larwood both times
48 and 71 in Sydney - Larwood and Verity taking his wicket.

he still topped the Aust series ave.

his career average against teams with Larwood was still well over 80.
so what was his average in that series? the only series he has faced with a genuine pace attack using the tactics that modern bowlers would use often now.

How often did he cry about having to face it?
How often did he prefer to be a journalist than face it?

Also, remember that Jardine saw it a year before that bradman was scared of quick bowling.
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regardless... he still topped the Aust series ave. hardly a fail.

sure he wasn't perfect, but it is hard to make assumptions on how he would have gone against say a West Indies attack. much more to take in to account, such as protective gear and better bats.

common opinion by astute cricket judges say that Australia lost that series because of their weak bowling attack, not because of Bradman having a "bad" series.

and what a fine Australian Larwood turned out to be.

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adam wrote:regardless... he still topped the Aust series ave. hardly a fail.

sure he wasn't perfect, but it is hard to make assumptions on how he would have gone against say a West Indies attack. much more to take in to account, such as protective gear and better bats.

common opinion by astute cricket judges say that Australia lost that series because of their weak bowling attack, not because of Bradman having a "bad" series.

and what a fine Australian Larwood turned out to be.
a bloke could top the averages for bangladesh, doesn't make him a great player. All it means that bradman when he was cabernet was still better than the other aussies around him.

The fact that when faced with the type of attack that the west indies would have put him through, drops his average to a less superhuman level (still good) but not the cult status he is seen as here. If he was scared of larwood, what would have happened when he faced Garner and Ambrose charging in a 6 foot 6?
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bradman was a freemason, what a hun

anyways i think lyon needs to be publically backed, toiled away on 3 flat/green tracks with no assistance for him and held his own, the next 3 pitches should give him more help, he gets through india ok then he is a 10 year spinner, we can't keep chopping and changing every 5 minutes

like with wde, yes 2 errors here but we had enough time to bowl them out, the media was looking for the easy out, blame the keeper, much like with gilly at the end

wade kept pretty well in perth with a pitch that did a lot with the pace bowlers
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DOC wrote:bradman was a freemason, what a hun

and he hated catholics - I'm beggining to like the bloke!
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God is an Englishman wrote:
DOC wrote:bradman was a freemason, what a hun

and he hated catholics - I'm beggining to like the bloke!
thats the word on the street, fantastic batsman, but still a hun
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God is an Englishman wrote:
adam wrote:regardless... he still topped the Aust series ave. hardly a fail.

sure he wasn't perfect, but it is hard to make assumptions on how he would have gone against say a West Indies attack. much more to take in to account, such as protective gear and better bats.

common opinion by astute cricket judges say that Australia lost that series because of their weak bowling attack, not because of Bradman having a "bad" series.

and what a fine Australian Larwood turned out to be.
a bloke could top the averages for bangladesh, doesn't make him a great player. All it means that bradman when he was cabernet was still better than the other aussies around him.

The fact that when faced with the type of attack that the west indies would have put him through, drops his average to a less superhuman level (still good) but not the cult status he is seen as here. If he was scared of larwood, what would have happened when he faced Garner and Ambrose charging in a 6 foot 6?
My guess is he would have worn a helmet like nearly every other batsman that have faced them and tonked them around for fun as he did most english bowlers
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DOC wrote:
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DOC wrote:bradman was a freemason, what a hun

and he hated catholics - I'm beggining to like the bloke!
thats the word on the street, fantastic batsman, but still a hun
Nothing wrong with huns

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Jay Walking wrote:[Nothing wrong with huns
no good dons fan would say that, you'd better hope CD doesn't see this :lol:
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
adam wrote:regardless... he still topped the Aust series ave. hardly a fail.

sure he wasn't perfect, but it is hard to make assumptions on how he would have gone against say a West Indies attack. much more to take in to account, such as protective gear and better bats.

common opinion by astute cricket judges say that Australia lost that series because of their weak bowling attack, not because of Bradman having a "bad" series.

and what a fine Australian Larwood turned out to be.
a bloke could top the averages for bangladesh, doesn't make him a great player. All it means that bradman when he was cabernet was still better than the other aussies around him.

The fact that when faced with the type of attack that the west indies would have put him through, drops his average to a less superhuman level (still good) but not the cult status he is seen as here. If he was scared of larwood, what would have happened when he faced Garner and Ambrose charging in a 6 foot 6?
My guess is he would have worn a helmet like nearly every other batsman that have faced them and tonked them around for fun as he did most english bowlers

Most - but not Larwood and Voce
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DOC wrote:
Jay Walking wrote:[Nothing wrong with huns
no good dons fan would say that, you'd better hope CD doesn't see this :lol:
I'm Protestant. I support Aberdeen as thats where my Nanna is from. When you are 12 years old, you don't really understand the reglion in football aspect :lol:

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God is an Englishman wrote:Most - but not Larwood and Voce
correct... he only averaged 89.80 in tests involving Larwood and/or Voce

although i must admit that is inflated because of the 334 he scored against Larwood. (Larwood 1 for 139)

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adam wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Most - but not Larwood and Voce
correct... he only averaged 89.80 in tests involving Larwood and/or Voce

although i must admit that is inflated because of the 334 he scored against Larwood. (Larwood 1 for 139)
Only 10 runs less than average? Is that all? Hardly worth mentioning then. I cant imagine anyone that was "scared" of a bowler having such a good record aginst them!
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adam wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Most - but not Larwood and Voce
correct... he only averaged 89.80 in tests involving Larwood and/or Voce

although i must admit that is inflated because of the 334 he scored against Larwood. (Larwood 1 for 139)
You can't include Larwood and/or Voce because (as I'm sure you know) it's about the twin attack. eg. Brett Lee took a lot more wickets when he had mcgrath at the other end.

Tests involving Larwood - so he could have hit those runs off Bob McNotverygood instead of larwood.

What was his average in the series he faced that 2 pronged pace attack of what we would now know as "modern fast bowling".
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God is an Englishman wrote:
adam wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Most - but not Larwood and Voce
correct... he only averaged 89.80 in tests involving Larwood and/or Voce

although i must admit that is inflated because of the 334 he scored against Larwood. (Larwood 1 for 139)
You can't include Larwood and/or Voce because (as I'm sure you know) it's about the twin attack. eg. Brett Lee took a lot more wickets when he had mcgrath at the other end.

Tests involving Larwood - so he could have hit those runs off Bob McNotverygood instead of larwood.

What was his average in the series he faced that 2 pronged pace attack of what we would now know as "modern fast bowling".
:lol: Still clutching - you claimed he was scared and even so, still smacked them both around. Who cares if it were in tandem or not? Your captain should have selected a more "lethal" attack more often.
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Bomber wrote: :lol: Still clutching - you claimed he was scared and even so, still smacked them both around. Who cares if it were in tandem or not? Your captain should have selected a more "lethal" attack more often.
What was his average in the series he faced that 2 pronged pace attack of what we would now know as "modern fast bowling"?

I once caught a west indian captain and one of the best batsmen in the world for only 1 run. Am I better than him? Was the bowler better than him?

When did he smack them both around when he was bowling to his strengths. Larwood only did this in 32/33 series in which bradman was scared. It was also noted that he had him scared in the previous series in England as well when he bowled short. Jardine noticed it and initiated a game plan, whihch worked perfectly.

As for playing the more lethal attack. It was not possible after 33 as Larwood refused to play for England again. The MCC demanded he apologise to australia and he told them to get shiraz. He had done nothing wrong and would not apologise. Got to love a nottinghamshire coal miner for their principles.
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If he was truly scared, he wouldnt have walked out to bat. Simple.
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