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Author:  Steve#4 [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:42 pm ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
good to see the English leading the way again this year


You pick and choose don't you :lol:

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:25 pm ]
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Steve#4 wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
good to see the English leading the way again this year


You pick and choose don't you :lol:


pick and choose what?

Author:  PDog [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:59 am ]
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The Kenyan/Sth African is doing well.

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:20 am ]
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PDog wrote:
The Kenyan/Sth African is doing well.



How is he possibly south african?

Author:  PDog [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:50 am ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
PDog wrote:
The Kenyan/Sth African is doing well.



How is he possibly south african?


He owes more to South Africa than England in terms of his career.

He even represented Kenya at one stage. But you'll claim him none the less.

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:58 am ]
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PDog wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
PDog wrote:
The Kenyan/Sth African is doing well.



How is he possibly south african?


He owes more to South Africa than England in terms of his career.

He even represented Kenya at one stage. But you'll claim him none the less.



so he wasn't born in south africa, doesn't have south african parentage, not even entitled to a south african passport. Remind me again, how is he south african?

Did he have a pint of fosters at any time, perhaps you claim him to be australian?

Author:  PDog [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:15 am ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:

so he wasn't born in south africa, doesn't have south african parentage, not even entitled to a south african passport. Remind me again, how is he south african?

Did he have a pint of fosters at any time, perhaps you claim him to be australian?

You're just moving away from the fact that you're claiming an athlete as being British when he's Kenyan, and begun his professional career in South Africa. Does it make him South African? No. Apparently makes him British though.

Author:  Stitch This [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:21 am ]
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PDog wrote:
You're just moving away from the fact that you're claiming an athlete as being British when he's Kenyan, and begun his professional career in South Africa. Does it make him South African? No. Apparently makes him British though.

Does that make Tim Cahill English?

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:22 am ]
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PDog wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:

so he wasn't born in south africa, doesn't have south african parentage, not even entitled to a south african passport. Remind me again, how is he south african?

Did he have a pint of fosters at any time, perhaps you claim him to be australian?

You're just moving away from the fact that you're claiming an athlete as being British when he's Kenyan, and begun his professional career in South Africa. Does it make him South African? No. Apparently makes him British though.



English father - pretty obvious how that makes him English.

how is he south african?

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:24 am ]
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Stitch This wrote:
PDog wrote:
You're just moving away from the fact that you're claiming an athlete as being British when he's Kenyan, and begun his professional career in South Africa. Does it make him South African? No. Apparently makes him British though.

Does that make Tim Cahill English?



Well he's more English than he is australian. 25% English, 25% irish, 50% samoan but with a birth right to represent australia.

Author:  PDog [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:29 am ]
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PDog wrote:
Does it make him South African? No.


Did you miss that bit, or forgot to put on your spectacles? Wake up fella, I know it's a Monday and all.

He's Kenyan. Learnt his trade in South Africa, went to Europe for career progression.

End of discussion.

Don't believe I mentioned Tim Cahill either.

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:35 am ]
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PDog wrote:
PDog wrote:
Does it make him South African? No.


Did you miss that bit, or forgot to put on your spectacles? Wake up fella, I know it's a Monday and all.

He's Kenyan. Learnt his trade in South Africa, went to Europe for career progression.

End of discussion.

Don't believe I mentioned Tim Cahill either.


Then why do you make this post originally. Hence my original post asking how he was south african. Good to see you have now acknowledged your mistake.

PDog wrote:
The Kenyan/Sth African is doing well.



No denying he's Kenyan but he's also English.

Author:  bapa [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:39 am ]
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Steve#4 wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
good to see the English leading the way again this year


You pick and choose don't you :lol:



as I said, GIAE is a bandwaggoner!

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:44 am ]
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bubu wrote:
Steve#4 wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
good to see the English leading the way again this year


You pick and choose don't you :lol:



as I said, GIAE is a bandwaggoner!



what has that got to do with someone's nationality?

It's good to see an Englishman doing well, doesn't mean I actually follow the sport. I don't mind track cycling but road cycling is pretty boring to watch.

Author:  PDog [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:48 am ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
PDog wrote:
PDog wrote:
Does it make him South African? No.


Did you miss that bit, or forgot to put on your spectacles? Wake up fella, I know it's a Monday and all.

He's Kenyan. Learnt his trade in South Africa, went to Europe for career progression.

End of discussion.

Don't believe I mentioned Tim Cahill either.


Then why do you make this post originally. Hence my original post asking how he was south african. Good to see you have now acknowledged your mistake.

PDog wrote:
The Kenyan/Sth African is doing well.



No denying he's Kenyan but he's also English.


More than happy to back track where I am technically wrong. I'm a big boy.

A very watered down Pom then in my opinion. My opinion only. Then again, most countries will cling to anything where success is involved.

Dual nationality is a horse's ass. You are from where you were born in my opinion, but I don't make the rules I guess!

Author:  bapa [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:54 am ]
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PDog wrote:

More than happy to back track where I am technically wrong. I'm a big boy.

A very watered down Pom then in my opinion. My opinion only. Then again, most countries will cling to anything where success is involved.

Dual nationality is a horse's ass. You are from where you were born in my opinion, but I don't make the rules I guess!



correct!

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:56 am ]
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PDog wrote:
More than happy to back track where I am technically wrong. I'm a big boy.

A very watered down Pom then in my opinion. My opinion only. Then again, most countries will cling to anything where success is involved.

Dual nationality is a horse's ass. You are from where you were born in my opinion, but I don't make the rules I guess!



For me, parentage is far more important than the location of birth. Being born in England doesn't even guarantee you a passport. You have to be born in England to parents with the right of abode in England to get one.

Froome has an English father and that's perfectly English in my mind. He was entitled to a British passport at birth, so again - that's good enough for me.

Author:  PDog [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:59 am ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
PDog wrote:
More than happy to back track where I am technically wrong. I'm a big boy.

A very watered down Pom then in my opinion. My opinion only. Then again, most countries will cling to anything where success is involved.

Dual nationality is a horse's ass. You are from where you were born in my opinion, but I don't make the rules I guess!



For me, parentage is far more important than the location of birth. Being born in England doesn't even guarantee you a passport. You have to be born in England to parents with the right of abode in England to get one.

Froome has an English father and that's perfectly English in my mind. He was entitled to a British passport at birth, so again - that's good enough for me.

Despite the fact the England had very little to do with his beginnings and development in the Sport? A bit hard to fathom, seems like convenience to me.

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:01 pm ]
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PDog wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
PDog wrote:
More than happy to back track where I am technically wrong. I'm a big boy.

A very watered down Pom then in my opinion. My opinion only. Then again, most countries will cling to anything where success is involved.

Dual nationality is a horse's ass. You are from where you were born in my opinion, but I don't make the rules I guess!



For me, parentage is far more important than the location of birth. Being born in England doesn't even guarantee you a passport. You have to be born in England to parents with the right of abode in England to get one.

Froome has an English father and that's perfectly English in my mind. He was entitled to a British passport at birth, so again - that's good enough for me.

Despite the fact the England had very little to do with his beginnings and development in the Sport? A bit hard to fathom, seems like convenience to me.



blood is ticker than paper, the guy has English blood. Don't see how you can deny that someone with an English father (and grand parents) is English.

Author:  PDog [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:06 pm ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:

blood is ticker than paper, the guy has English blood. Don't see how you can deny that someone with an English father (and grand parents) is English.


I'll agree to disagree with you.

I know you won't change your views (if i've learnt anything about you from this place, it's that you don't back down!), and I know I won't either.

Author:  Bomber [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:19 pm ]
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Blood doesnt have a nationality.

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:38 pm ]
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PDog wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:

blood is ticker than paper, the guy has English blood. Don't see how you can deny that someone with an English father (and grand parents) is English.


I'll agree to disagree with you.

I know you won't change your views (if i've learnt anything about you from this place, it's that you don't back down!), and I know I won't either.



definitely not on this one as it affects me personally.

All I will say though is under your theory the world could be in chaos. Imagine all the romanians etc.. crossing borders when pregnant to ensure their child can be English/german etc..

Author:  PDog [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:48 pm ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
PDog wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:

blood is ticker than paper, the guy has English blood. Don't see how you can deny that someone with an English father (and grand parents) is English.


I'll agree to disagree with you.

I know you won't change your views (if i've learnt anything about you from this place, it's that you don't back down!), and I know I won't either.



definitely not on this one as it affects me personally.

All I will say though is under your theory the world could be in chaos. Imagine all the romanians etc.. crossing borders when pregnant to ensure their child can be English/german etc..

I'm not English, nor German, so i could not give a toss.

You upset that your kids are Australian? :wink:

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:54 pm ]
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PDog wrote:
I'm not English, nor German, so i could not give a toss.

You upset that your kids are Australian? :wink:



they're only half australian :wink:

So, someone comes from afghanistan on a tourist visa and gives birth when here and now can stay because their child is australian. Could be a way of avoiding immigration hassles.

Author:  PDog [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:59 pm ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
PDog wrote:
I'm not English, nor German, so i could not give a toss.

You upset that your kids are Australian? :wink:



they're only half australian :wink:

So, someone comes from afghanistan on a tourist visa and gives birth when here and now can stay because their child is australian. Could be a way of avoiding immigration hassles.

they do already - what's your point?!

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:01 pm ]
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PDog wrote:
So, someone comes from afghanistan on a tourist visa and gives birth when here and now can stay because their child is australian. Could be a way of avoiding immigration hassles.

they do already - what's your point?![/quote]

that it's wrong and should be allowed. eg. in England they would not be entitled to stay as they are not considered English. So under your theory of place of birth only mattering, an English person wouldn't be allowed to live in England.

Author:  PDog [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:28 pm ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
PDog wrote:
So, someone comes from afghanistan on a tourist visa and gives birth when here and now can stay because their child is australian. Could be a way of avoiding immigration hassles.

they do already - what's your point?!


that it's wrong and should be allowed. eg. in England they would not be entitled to stay as they are not considered English. So under your theory of place of birth only mattering, an English person wouldn't be allowed to live in England.[/quote]

should be allowed eh?

that is england's problem and the individual in question's. i don't care!

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:43 pm ]
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PDog wrote:
should be allowed eh?

that is england's problem and the individual in question's. i don't care!



It's not England's problem as it isn't allowed but it could be a country like australia's problem or any country under your theory.

Author:  PDog [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:54 pm ]
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God is an Englishman wrote:
PDog wrote:
should be allowed eh?

that is england's problem and the individual in question's. i don't care!



It's not England's problem as it isn't allowed but it could be a country like australia's problem or any country under your theory.

you look too far into things. it wouldn't ever occur that way and the laws relating to dual citizenship won't change, certainly not to that extent.

i've said what i believe, you've said your piece. carry on.

so, the tour eh. was originally the topic of discussion yeah? cadel is finished, not that he ever really got started.

Author:  God is an Englishman [ Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:57 pm ]
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PDog wrote:
you look too far into things.


no, I just like being opinionated! :lol:

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