VAR, yet again

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VAR, yet again

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Like it or not, we’re getting it, but is it really the panacea that gets everything right? Football’s not that sort of game anyway, there’s too many shades of grey.

Last night saw two Champions League games decided by the technology, Man United went through on a terrible decision, watched in slo-mo, never a handball in a million years, then Porto went through on a good decision where the defender was penalised for shirt grabbing.

The point being, humans are still bottle of shiraz it up and getting it right in equal measure, does the VAR change anything?
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The human element has been part and parcel of the game for 150 years or so. I'm the first to give refs a bit of lip when they fluff things up, but end of the day it's sport, played between humans on the pitch and there are swings and roundabouts. The pitch is where everything should be left to play the game. Video and stoppages for review are for play station and consoles. Get rid of it.
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I was watching the City v Leicester game earlier and the ref gave a penalty to Sterling for a non contact tackle, Sterling just ran into the defender, but VAR didn't say anything about it.

Then, later on, Ederson comes out and dives at Barnes, misses the ball by about 4 metres and clatters Barnes. Now Barnes was not going to score, the ball was long gone, but is that not a foul?

It concerns me that a foul can be for the most minimal of contact when a forward is in the box, but that twice that level of contact in the midfield is waved on, a midfielder late for a tackle that sends another player flying certainly is penalised and probably booked, yet a goalkeeper can do the same and there's nothing.

Hardly surprising that players, managers and fans are confused.
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Nice One Cyril wrote:I was watching the City v Leicester game earlier and the ref gave a penalty to Sterling for a non contact tackle, Sterling just ran into the defender, but VAR didn't say anything about it.

Then, later on, Ederson comes out and dives at Barnes, misses the ball by about 4 metres and clatters Barnes. Now Barnes was not going to score, the ball was long gone, but is that not a foul?

It concerns me that a foul can be for the most minimal of contact when a forward is in the box, but that twice that level of contact in the midfield is waved on, a midfielder late for a tackle that sends another player flying certainly is penalised and probably booked, yet a goalkeeper can do the same and there's nothing.

Hardly surprising that players, managers and fans are confused.
Agreed. Do the law makers actually watch games these days? If so, the message/s aren't getting through to those officiating
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Interested in the opinions on the VVD handball in the Wolves game. It was definitely handball in the build up because he played the pass, but I don't think that was the intention of the new rule and, if it was, how far back do you go? They may need to refine the rule.
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The LOTG I grew up with were just fine. The more they change things the more I lose interest. Who am I kidding, I lost interest a long time ago. I can't remember the last time I watched a game. As for VAR, more hassle than it's worth by the sounds of it.
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Can someone shed some light on why Son was correctly sent off for kicking out at Rudiger, yet Lacazette gets nothing for blatantly kicking out at a Leeds player last night?
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Watch the Walcott penalty claim against Brighton and then tell me that isn't a foul? WTF is wrong with the refs?
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VAR is ruining the game, our sport is not designed to be stop start. Decision gets made, mostly correctly but refs are human and make mistakes. As do players.

My country has gone out of world cups twice when decisions in that game would have been changed by VAR. I watched my team lose 3-0 when VAR would have ruled two of them out.

Yet, stuff VAR. Get rid of it.
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God is an Englishman wrote:VAR is ruining the game, our sport is not designed to be stop start. Decision gets made, mostly correctly but refs are human and make mistakes. As do players.

My country has gone out of world cups twice when decisions in that game would have been changed by VAR. I watched my team lose 3-0 when VAR would have ruled two of them out.

Yet, stuff VAR. Get rid of it.
Have to agree, it's not working the way it's been implemented. What I cannot for the life of me understand is why the refs never use the pitchside monitor to make their own minds up. What the shiraz is it there for?
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Another bottle of shiraz disaster for VAR in the Spurs v City game. Pen took more than 2 minutes to be given, then should have been retaken for Lloris being off his line and Sterling should have been booked (and sent off) for diving.

It's a disgrace how it's currently being used.
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Nice One Cyril wrote:Another bottle of shiraz disaster for VAR in the Spurs v City game. Pen took more than 2 minutes to be given, then should have been retaken for Lloris being off his line and Sterling should have been booked (and sent off) for diving.

It's a disgrace how it's currently being used.
Being a Liverpool fan, you'd think I'd be elated for our season so far. I am to a degree, but deep down the VAR "let downs" across the league have left a sour taste.

If it continues in this vain, I can seriously see myself not caring about leagues that have this so-called technology.
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Yet another opportunity for VAR to tie itself in knots. In the Burnley v Bournemouth game a Cherries defender handled the ball in his own box and they then went up the other end and scored. The goal was chalked off by VAR for a handball in the build up and, in this instance, correctly gave a penalty to Burnley for the handball a minute earlier. However had it been an accidental handball not worthy of a penalty, what would VAR have decided? Had Bournemouth not gone and scored, what would VAR have decided?

The rules say that any handball in the build-up to a goal must be given as a free kick, yet a free kick in the box must by definition be a penalty, even if VAR itself wouldn't have given a penalty for the original handball. It's a complete clusterfuck to have differing standards for handball depending on circumstance, same as different standards for a foul in the box or the centre circle.
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Handball should be handball regardless.

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More confusion at Old Trafford, Fred drives into the box, falls over and Mike Dean books him for diving.

VAR looks at it and backs up the referee, yet when they show the replay on the TV, there is clearly contact between the defender and Fred's leg (whether enough to fell him is debatable) and it has to be a clear and obvious error by Dean, it should have been a penalty.
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Nice One Cyril wrote:More confusion at Old Trafford, Fred drives into the box, falls over and Mike Dean books him for diving.

VAR looks at it and backs up the referee, yet when they show the replay on the TV, there is clearly contact between the defender and Fred's leg (whether enough to fell him is debatable) and it has to be a clear and obvious error by Dean, it should have been a penalty.



If It's not enough to fell him, then to me it's not a clear and obvious error.
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God is an Englishman wrote:VAR is ruining the game, our sport is not designed to be stop start. Decision gets made, mostly correctly but refs are human and make mistakes. As do players.

My country has gone out of world cups twice when decisions in that game would have been changed by VAR. I watched my team lose 3-0 when VAR would have ruled two of them out.

Yet, stuff VAR. Get rid of it.


GIAE. I agree with you on this one 110%. leave the refs to do their job. the games been stuffed up enough. :cry:

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Shows that some refs are poor decision makers when, even with the benefit of video replays, they still make mistakes.

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