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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:16 pm 
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Mega, in your opinion, why is the quality of our Socceroos players so poor?


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compared to whom???

Spain, Germany, Brazil, USA, Canada, NZ, Japan, Iran

remember to compare like for like.....

realistically, one could write a thesis



Compared to Socceroos from 10 years ago



Mega?


sounds like a loaded question....before i answer, how did you come to that conclusion ie: what measure did you use?


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 Post subject: Re: I'll be accepting your thanks
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sounds like a loaded question....before i answer, how did you come to that conclusion ie: what measure did you use?


You serious? :lol: :lol:

Viduka, Bresciano, Grella, Kewell et al were no better than what we have now? FFS, we still rely on cahill to get us results.

Why do you think this is?


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what makes those players better??? is it the teams they played for or the leagues they played in? Mooy just scored against Manu and was adjudged BOG - does that make him on par with Viduka, Cahill and Kewell???



for what its worth, something ive thought about is the absence or the very small number of coaches at club level who learnt the game and in many cases played at a reasonable level overseas and bought with them via migration their skills and knowledge.

Viduka, Bresciano, Grella, Kewell - those players might have been the last lot of players coming through in the 80's who were exposed to those coaches.


today, everyone in an internet expert coach.


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what makes those players better??? is it the teams they played for or the leagues they played in? Mooy just scored against Manu and was adjudged BOG - does that make him on par with Viduka, Cahill and Kewell???



for what its worth, something ive thought about is the absence or the very small number of coaches at club level who learnt the game and in many cases played at a reasonable level overseas and bought with them via migration their skills and knowledge.

Viduka, Bresciano, Grella, Kewell - those players might have been the last lot of players coming through in the 80's who were exposed to those coaches.


today, everyone in an internet expert coach.


Yes, Mooy would probably make that squad. On par with the ones you mentioned, it's say no.

So the coaching back then was better than now. Am I understanding you correctly?


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dont know, can only speak from personal experience.

instead of playing chess, just come out with it :roll:


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dont know, can only speak from personal experience.

instead of playing chess, just come out with it :roll:


Come out with what?


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dont be so coy.....


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 Post subject: Re: I'll be accepting your thanks
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dont be so coy.....


About?


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What type of parent am i?

Apart from one that want to see my son develop into a decent all round footballer that is?

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list the important stages in the development of a player and then outline how best achieve it....

if youre ever in a position to answer it, im listening...


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list the important stages in the development of a player and then outline how best achieve it....

if youre ever in a position to answer it, im listening...



No, you've made an "accusation", back it up.

It's pretty obvious to anyone with a football brain that there's more to a game than 1 formation.

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back up you statement why you believe it shouldnt be the only formation taught at junior/youth level......you were pretty adamant that it shouldnt...why not???


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It's pretty obvious to anyone with a football brain that there's more to a game than 1 formation.


agree...can you quote anyone who has said that?


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back up you statement why you believe it shouldnt be the only formation taught at junior/youth level......you were pretty adamant that it shouldnt...why not???


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It's pretty obvious to anyone with a football brain that there's more to a game than 1 formation.


agree...can you quote anyone who has said that?


you've already quoted me so DONE.

To be a rounded footballer, you should fully understand many aspects of the game. What happens when a kid plays his first senior game and he's not playing in a 4-3-3 and he has no idea how to play his role?

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Now, what type of parent am I?

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To be a rounded footballer, you should fully understand many aspects of the game. What happens when a kid plays his first senior game and he's not playing in a 4-3-3 and he has no idea how to play his role?



how do you want this understanding to develop??? at what age??


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To be a rounded footballer, you should fully understand many aspects of the game. What happens when a kid plays his first senior game and he's not playing in a 4-3-3 and he has no idea how to play his role?



how do you want this understanding to develop??? at what age??


As I have said that should be down to the club the person is with. They obviously need to understand the formation relevant to a senior side by a time they may need to step up tp a senior side.

I'm actually shocked that someone who claims to understand the game seems to think that only one formation should ever be played.

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Don’t get distracted by dogma, the system currently operating here can’t even come close to replicating the key fundamentals of talent identification and competitive environments in place practically the world over. Don’t know coz I wasn’t here but I can guess something that’s changed here between the 1990s and now, for clubs juniors no longer exists solely for the function of development.


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I'm actually shocked that someone who claims to understand the game seems to think that only one formation should ever be played.


there you go....couldn't help yourself....when did I say that?.....I made it quite clear that I coach/teach other formations but only when the players are comfortable with the 4 -3 - 3

still waiting for you to share your wisdom on what gets taught, how and when.......


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I'm actually shocked that someone who claims to understand the game seems to think that only one formation should ever be played.


there you go....couldn't help yourself....when did I say that?.....I made it quite clear that I coach/teach other formations but only when the players are comfortable with the 4 -3 - 3

still waiting for you to share your wisdom on what gets taught, how and when.......



As I said, SEEMS TO THINK

So, if you coach other formations - you agree with me and are arguing for the sake of arguing then.

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It's a very good formation and I do like it (if played correctly) but that shouldn't mean it's the ONLY formation and certainly not the only formation a kid should learn.


OK....these are your words....what should kids learn and when should they learn it.....still waiting to hear from you!!!!!!!!


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It's a very good formation and I do like it (if played correctly) but that shouldn't mean it's the ONLY formation and certainly not the only formation a kid should learn.


OK....these are your words....what should kids learn and when should they learn it.....still waiting to hear from you!!!!!!!!


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As I have said that should be down to the club the person is with. They obviously need to understand the formation relevant to a senior side by a time they may need to step up tp a senior side.


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the ability to play in/against more than one system


Now, what type of parent am I?

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no...forget what the coach or the club says.....whats your opinion????????


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MegaBonus wrote:
no...forget what the coach or the club says.....whats your opinion????????


When are you going to answer my question seeing as I've answered yours?

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you haven't....answering my questions will determine how i'll answers yours....

so, I'm waiting....in your opinion, what gets taught, how does it get taught and at what age????


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you haven't....answering my questions will determine how i'll answers yours....

so, I'm waiting....in your opinion, what gets taught, how does it get taught and at what age????


You're changing the questions now, so it's a new set. You can't say my answer will determine yours when you've already made the comment that I'm "that type of parent".

Can you not back up your comment?

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i already have.....the fact you cant answer my question makes you one of those parents....

again...what should we coach, how should we coach it and at what age???


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i already have.....the fact you cant answer my question makes you one of those parents....

again...what should we coach, how should we coach it and at what age???


So, what type of parent am I?

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one that doesn't answer questions....


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MegaBonus wrote:
one that doesn't answer questions....



but I have, a number of times. Then you asked another completely different question.

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i already have.....the fact you cant answer my question makes you one of those parents....

again...what should we coach, how should we coach it and at what age???


You need to be more specific because I don't really have the time to explain to you what gets coached at every age and how we should coach it. The FFSA run some courses though that may help you out.

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