Australian U17s - Joeys

This forum is for discussion related to the various Australian National Football Teams - the Socceroos, Olyroos, Joes, Matildas and so.

Moderators: Randoman, BillShankly, arxidi, Forum Admins

User avatar
Stuckey
Assistant Coach
Assistant Coach
Posts: 13400
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:24 am

Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Stuckey »

Technical Director of the FFA Centre of Excellence at the AIS Peter de Roo says the Joeys participation at this week’s Nike International Friendlies and Development Academy Winter Showcase is vital preparation for next year’s U-17 FIFA World Cup in Chile.
Read more at http://www.socceroos.com.au/article/joe ... yrP9yxp.99
Sounds like a great tournament. A bit sad that basically only FFA CoE players get a look in.
JOEYS ROSTER FOR NIKE INTERNATIONAL FRIENDLIES NOV 28-DEC 2 AT LAKEWOOD RANCH, FLA

Ward, Malcolm
Defender
26/08/99
FFA Centre of Excellence

Davies, Henry
Defender
05/04/99
FFA Centre of Excellence

Speth, Zac
Defender
29/01/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Caletti, Joe
Midfielder
14/09/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Maskin, Daniel
Midfielder
06/02/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Arzani, Daniel
Midfielder
04/01/99
FFA Centre of Excellence

Armenakas, Panos
Midfielder
05/08/98
Udinese Calcio S.p.A. (Italy)

Dimitroff, Jamie
Midfielder
11/07/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Kekeris, Peter
Attacker
07/05/99
FFA Centre of Excellence

Osipov, Brandon
GK
05/08/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Verbi, Christian
Defender
02/07/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Monahan-Vaiika, Solomon
Defender
05/02/99
FFA Centre of Excellence

Bandiera, Jackson
Defender
16/04/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Kim, Danny
Defender
28/05/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Panetta, Nicholas
Midfielder
22/04/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Delianov, James
GK
20/10/99
FFA Centre of Excellence

Fotakopoulos, Perry
Defender
06/09/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Joice, Cameron
Attacker
21/09/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Petratos, Kosta
Attacker
01/03/98
FFA Centre of Excellence

Tokich, Marc
Midfielder
FFA Centre of Excellence

Staff
Tony Vidmar
Head Coach

Peter de Roo
Technical Director

Ufuk Talay
Assistant Coach

Fernando vaz Alves
Goalkeeper Coach

Aidan Brown
Team Manager

Deane Stephens
Physiotherapist

Vince Cosentini
Soft Tissue Therapist
I know Verbi is an SA lad. Are there any other SA players involved that people know?
All games live on ussoccer.com

Friday, Nov. 28
Australia vs. Brazil, 3 p.m. ET
USA vs. England, 6 p.m. ET

Sunday, Nov. 30
Brazil vs. England, 3 p.m. ET
USA vs. Australia, 6 p.m. ET

Tuesday, Dec. 2
England vs. Australia, 3 p.m. ET
USA vs. Brazil, 6 p.m. ET

User avatar
Stuckey
Assistant Coach
Assistant Coach
Posts: 13400
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:24 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Stuckey »

The Joey's tournament wrapped up this morning.
3 games 3 losses for them.
4-0 Brazil
2-1 USA
2-1 England

Black_Panther
Star Player
Star Player
Posts: 3648
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:56 pm

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Black_Panther »

Stuckey wrote:The Joey's tournament wrapped up this morning.
3 games 3 losses for them.
4-0 Brazil
2-1 USA
2-1 England
What was the possession stats?
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. That's why I succeed." -Michael Jordan

User avatar
Stuckey
Assistant Coach
Assistant Coach
Posts: 13400
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:24 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Stuckey »

Black_Panther wrote:
Stuckey wrote:The Joey's tournament wrapped up this morning.
3 games 3 losses for them.
4-0 Brazil
2-1 USA
2-1 England
What was the possession stats?
I found it weird that I couldn't find them after all that's what really matters!

User avatar
Bomber
Vice Chairman
Vice Chairman
Posts: 60364
Joined: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:40 am
Has thanked: 44 times
Been thanked: 128 times

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Bomber »

Tough opponents, but more losses for green and gold. Almost getting used to it
Ignore this signature

Socca
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 841
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:20 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Socca »

Black_Panther wrote:
Stuckey wrote:The Joey's tournament wrapped up this morning.
3 games 3 losses for them.
4-0 Brazil
2-1 USA
2-1 England
What was the possession stats?
Brazil - 203mil, #1 sport
England - 54mil, #1 sport
USA - 319mil, #5 sport
Australia - 23mil, #4 sport and a shoestring budget

People need to stop expecting miracles, and be happy that they're competing to some extent

etpjk5424
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 500
Joined: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:27 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by etpjk5424 »

Socca wrote:
Black_Panther wrote:
Stuckey wrote:The Joey's tournament wrapped up this morning.
3 games 3 losses for them.
4-0 Brazil
2-1 USA
2-1 England
What was the possession stats?
Brazil - 203mil, #1 sport
England - 54mil, #1 sport
USA - 319mil, #5 sport
Australia - 23mil, #4 sport and a shoestring budget

People need to stop expecting miracles, and be happy that they're competing to some extent
we were competing 25 years ago
now all i see is lowering of expecations

User avatar
Stuckey
Assistant Coach
Assistant Coach
Posts: 13400
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:24 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Stuckey »

Socca wrote:
Black_Panther wrote:
Stuckey wrote:The Joey's tournament wrapped up this morning.
3 games 3 losses for them.
4-0 Brazil
2-1 USA
2-1 England
What was the possession stats?
Brazil - 203mil, #1 sport
England - 54mil, #1 sport
USA - 319mil, #5 sport
Australia - 23mil, #4 sport and a shoestring budget

People need to stop expecting miracles, and be happy that they're competing to some extent
Are you serious?

Socca
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 841
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:20 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Socca »

rb22 wrote:
we were competing 25 years ago
now all i see is lowering of expecations
How much $$$$$ have these countries, and a lot of other countries around the world invested in junior development and grassroots football in the last 25years, compared to the Australian government and FFA ?

Shoe string budget will give you shoe string results

And yes stuckey, I am serious
Prove to me otherwise how the figures I stated above (which hidden in them show the $$$millions invested if football over recent years) do not effect how we compete on the world stage ?

User avatar
Stuckey
Assistant Coach
Assistant Coach
Posts: 13400
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:24 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Stuckey »

So whats the point of playing games if the richest and most popluated countries should always win. Lets just open up a Forbes magazine and the rich list will decide who wins.

How many WCs has China won?
Last edited by Stuckey on Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Black_Panther
Star Player
Star Player
Posts: 3648
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:56 pm

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Black_Panther »

Socca wrote:
Black_Panther wrote:
Stuckey wrote:The Joey's tournament wrapped up this morning.
3 games 3 losses for them.
4-0 Brazil
2-1 USA
2-1 England
What was the possession stats?
Brazil - 203mil, #1 sport
England - 54mil, #1 sport
USA - 319mil, #5 sport
Australia - 23mil, #4 sport and a shoestring budget

People need to stop expecting miracles, and be happy that they're competing to some extent
15 years ago the joeys lost the u/17 world cup on penalties.

What was your stats then?
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. That's why I succeed." -Michael Jordan

Socca
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 841
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:20 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Socca »

Black_Panther wrote:
15 years ago the joeys lost the u/17 world cup on penalties.

What was your stats then?
Love it

Name me which of those players became world class players seeing that was such a golden era compared to now?
If that gets too tough, name me any that played in the top leagues in Europe ?

PS. Greece also won Euro in 2000
PPS. Denmark also won Euro 1992 and couldnt didn't even qualify for it

User avatar
Jim's Username
Boot Polisher
Boot Polisher
Posts: 50
Joined: Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:56 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Jim's Username »

Socca wrote:Greece also won Euro in 2000
I am pretty sure France did after italy had thought they had it sewn up.

Socca
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 841
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:20 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Socca »

Jim's Username wrote:
Socca wrote:Greece also won Euro in 2000
I am pretty sure France did after italy had thought they had it sewn up.
Sorry, 2004

That's how much relevance I put on them winning it

User avatar
Stuckey
Assistant Coach
Assistant Coach
Posts: 13400
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:24 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Stuckey »

Image
Here's me hoping this thread was going to be full of intelligent conversation about youth development.

BPBC
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 543
Joined: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:18 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by BPBC »

Socca wrote:
Black_Panther wrote:
15 years ago the joeys lost the u/17 world cup on penalties.

What was your stats then?
Love it

Name me which of those players became world class players seeing that was such a golden era compared to now?
If that gets too tough, name me any that played in the top leagues in Europe ?

PS. Greece also won Euro in 2000
PPS. Denmark also won Euro 1992 and couldnt didn't even qualify for it
Yep very strange example to back up an argument that its all about results in the underage teams. Another example is the 1991 team that made the semis of the world youth cup, and lost 1-0 to the eventual winners.

the 1999 squad produced 1 world cup player, kennedy, as well as 1 other who got a few caps and had a succesful overseas career, Scott Mcdonald

The 1991 squad produced 1 world cup player, Kalc, but did produce a fair few players who had succesful careers and long (but unfortunately, unsuccesful)international careers.

Results are great to see but at the end of the day, our senior team is what it is all about, and we need a very high percentage of our juniors to be able to step up and perform at that level. An under 17 WC will mean fk all if we stop making the senior World Cup

Black_Panther
Star Player
Star Player
Posts: 3648
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:56 pm

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Black_Panther »

Socca wrote:
Black_Panther wrote:
15 years ago the joeys lost the u/17 world cup on penalties.

What was your stats then?
Love it

Name me which of those players became world class players seeing that was such a golden era compared to now?
If that gets too tough, name me any that played in the top leagues in Europe ?

PS. Greece also won Euro in 2000
PPS. Denmark also won Euro 1992 and couldnt didn't even qualify for it
You brought up the results of the team against larger countries. How is it relevant?

So winning the Euro Cup isn't important now?
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. That's why I succeed." -Michael Jordan

MegaBonus
Team Manager
Team Manager
Posts: 8852
Joined: Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:43 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 89 times

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by MegaBonus »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

no...it means every now and then, stars and planets align for a very rare event....
“Hence, we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks." Winston Churchill

Black_Panther
Star Player
Star Player
Posts: 3648
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:56 pm

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Black_Panther »

MegaBonus wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^

no...it means every now and then, stars and planets align for a very rare event....
Out of interest, when did Ange take over the Joey's and U/20's?
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. That's why I succeed." -Michael Jordan

Socca
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 841
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:20 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Socca »

MegaBonus wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^

no...it means every now and then, stars and planets align for a very rare event....
Thank you

So your u17 WC runners up argument which I'm assuming is about how we must of had a great junior development system 15-20 years ago has no relevance, because most of those players did nothing in their careers afterwards

Black_Panther
Star Player
Star Player
Posts: 3648
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:56 pm

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Black_Panther »

BPBC wrote:
Socca wrote:
Black_Panther wrote:
15 years ago the joeys lost the u/17 world cup on penalties.

What was your stats then?
Love it

Name me which of those players became world class players seeing that was such a golden era compared to now?
If that gets too tough, name me any that played in the top leagues in Europe ?

PS. Greece also won Euro in 2000
PPS. Denmark also won Euro 1992 and couldnt didn't even qualify for it
Yep very strange example to back up an argument that its all about results in the underage teams. Another example is the 1991 team that made the semis of the world youth cup, and lost 1-0 to the eventual winners.

the 1999 squad produced 1 world cup player, kennedy, as well as 1 other who got a few caps and had a succesful overseas career, Scott Mcdonald

The 1991 squad produced 1 world cup player, Kalc, but did produce a fair few players who had succesful careers and long (but unfortunately, unsuccesful)international careers.

Results are great to see but at the end of the day, our senior team is what it is all about, and we need a very high percentage of our juniors to be able to step up and perform at that level. An under 17 WC will mean fk all if we stop making the senior World Cup
So if the track record of development is so poor (as your numbers seem to indicate) why should we bother entering these tournaments?
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. That's why I succeed." -Michael Jordan

Socca
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 841
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:20 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Socca »

Where did I say it was poor ?

IMO it's relative and reality to where the whole of Australia rates football as a sport, the funding football at grassroots and development levels receive here, and the time and effort kids put in in their own spare time

Sick of people bagging everyone and everything every time our a national team at any level loses

Black_Panther
Star Player
Star Player
Posts: 3648
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:56 pm

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Black_Panther »

Socca wrote:Where did I say it was poor ?

IMO it's relative and reality to where the whole of Australia rates football as a sport, the funding football at grassroots and development levels receive here, and the time and effort kids put in in their own spare time

Sick of people bagging everyone and everything every time our a national team at any level loses
Do you answer for BPBC now?
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. That's why I succeed." -Michael Jordan

BPBC
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 543
Joined: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:18 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by BPBC »

Why wouldn't we want to enter the very best competitions? I didnt say we dont want to win, its just that winning doesnt achieve our main priority

BPBC
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 543
Joined: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:18 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by BPBC »

and i dont think i said our development was poor either did I? isnt that what you are saying about now?

Black_Panther
Star Player
Star Player
Posts: 3648
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:56 pm

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Black_Panther »

BPBC wrote:and i dont think i said our development was poor either did I? isnt that what you are saying about now?
You didn't say it was poor, it seems to be what you were inferring.
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. That's why I succeed." -Michael Jordan

MegaBonus
Team Manager
Team Manager
Posts: 8852
Joined: Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:43 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 89 times

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by MegaBonus »

Team Titles Runners-up Third-place Fourth-place Medals

Nigeria 4 (1985, 1993, 2007, 2013) 3 (1987, 2001, 2009) 7
Brazil 3 (1997, 1999, 2003) 2 (1995, 2005) 1 (1985) 1 (2011) 6
Ghana 2 (1991, 1995) 2 (1993, 1997) 1 (1999) 1 (2007) 5
Mexico 2 (2005, 2011) 1 (2013) 3
Soviet Union 1 (1987) 1
Saudi Arabia 1 (1989) 1
France 1 (2001) 1
Switzerland 1 (2009) 1

Other than Brazil and France, how many senior WC have the others won???
“Hence, we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks." Winston Churchill

BPBC
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 543
Joined: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:18 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by BPBC »

No, we produced some great players in the 90's, not so much in that 1999 Under 17 squad mind you, my point was in reference to the results being the be all and end all, which is what I took that you were trying to highlight.

Socca
Bench Warmer
Bench Warmer
Posts: 841
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:20 am

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Socca »

Black_Panther wrote:
Socca wrote:Where did I say it was poor ?

IMO it's relative and reality to where the whole of Australia rates football as a sport, the funding football at grassroots and development levels receive here, and the time and effort kids put in in their own spare time

Sick of people bagging everyone and everything every time our a national team at any level loses
Do you answer for BPBC now?
My bad, I saw my post quoted also

BPBC, feel free to use my answer if you like

Black_Panther
Star Player
Star Player
Posts: 3648
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:56 pm

Re: Australian U17s - Joeys

Post by Black_Panther »

BPBC wrote:No, we produced some great players in the 90's, not so much in that 1999 Under 17 squad mind you, my point was in reference to the results being the be all and end all, which is what I took that you were trying to highlight.
It wasn't my point, I was more trying to point out that we have been able to match the top countries in the past and that doesn't seem to happen anymore.

Of course it's not the be all and end all, it just seems now that if (and it's a big if) we quality for the world championships we are generally home before the post cards are.
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. That's why I succeed." -Michael Jordan

Post Reply