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^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i think thats an understatement.....a SF loss at the WC and a Final loss at the Euro's is only second to Ramsey himself.

at the risk of being accused of trolling...genuine question...has he overachieved or underachieved????
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God is an Englishman wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Bomber wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:33 pm One day England may try and win a major tournament in "normal time".

1966 - went to extra time
Rugby World Cup - needed a kick in extra time from Jonny
Cricket World Cup - needed a rule to save them in a tie
Now Euro - but bottled it on pens ;-)

Overall, all cabernet aside, Italy deserving winners, on the whole. :thumbup:
Italy needed a rule to save them in a tie as well.
England needed a gift, to save them in the Semi's
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MegaBonus wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:53 am ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i think thats an understatement.....a SF loss at the WC and a Final loss at the Euro's is only second to Ramsey himself.

at the risk of being accused of trolling...genuine question...has he overachieved or underachieved????
Neither.

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Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:56 am
God is an Englishman wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Bomber wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:33 pm One day England may try and win a major tournament in "normal time".

1966 - went to extra time
Rugby World Cup - needed a kick in extra time from Jonny
Cricket World Cup - needed a rule to save them in a tie
Now Euro - but bottled it on pens ;-)

Overall, all cabernet aside, Italy deserving winners, on the whole. :thumbup:
Italy needed a rule to save them in a tie as well.
England needed a gift, to save them in the Semi's
A gift?
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Formula 1 star Lando Norris had his $75,000 watch nicked at Wembley as fans ran riot in disgraceful scenes.

It gets worse.

How would this be looked upon for England's chances of holding a world cup in the future?

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God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:33 am
Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:56 am
God is an Englishman wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Bomber wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:33 pm One day England may try and win a major tournament in "normal time".

1966 - went to extra time
Rugby World Cup - needed a kick in extra time from Jonny
Cricket World Cup - needed a rule to save them in a tie
Now Euro - but bottled it on pens ;-)

Overall, all cabernet aside, Italy deserving winners, on the whole. :thumbup:
Italy needed a rule to save them in a tie as well.
England needed a gift, to save them in the Semi's
A gift?
Yes, a gift.
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Rookie wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:18 pm Formula 1 star Lando Norris had his $75,000 watch nicked at Wembley as fans ran riot in disgraceful scenes.

It gets worse.

How would this be looked upon for England's chances of holding a world cup in the future?
England and Republic of Ireland are to put a joint bid to host 2030 World Cup. The incidents surrounding the Euro Final would have to negative impact given the world wide coverage,

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Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:08 pm
God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:33 am
Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:56 am
God is an Englishman wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Bomber wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:33 pm One day England may try and win a major tournament in "normal time".

1966 - went to extra time
Rugby World Cup - needed a kick in extra time from Jonny
Cricket World Cup - needed a rule to save them in a tie
Now Euro - but bottled it on pens ;-)

Overall, all cabernet aside, Italy deserving winners, on the whole. :thumbup:
Italy needed a rule to save them in a tie as well.
England needed a gift, to save them in the Semi's
A gift?
Yes, a gift.
Was this gift the disallowed penalty or the free kick which shouldn't have been allowed?
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ozzie owl wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:20 pm
Rookie wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:18 pm Formula 1 star Lando Norris had his $75,000 watch nicked at Wembley as fans ran riot in disgraceful scenes.

It gets worse.

How would this be looked upon for England's chances of holding a world cup in the future?
England and Republic of Ireland are to put a joint bid to host 2030 World Cup. The incidents surrounding the Euro Final would have to negative impact given the world wide coverage,
Why would we host with them?

These incidents happen at every tournament, it's just the media likes to beat up England stories.
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God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:37 pm
Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:08 pm
God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:33 am
Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:56 am
God is an Englishman wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Bomber wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:33 pm One day England may try and win a major tournament in "normal time".

1966 - went to extra time
Rugby World Cup - needed a kick in extra time from Jonny
Cricket World Cup - needed a rule to save them in a tie
Now Euro - but bottled it on pens ;-)

Overall, all cabernet aside, Italy deserving winners, on the whole. :thumbup:
Italy needed a rule to save them in a tie as well.
England needed a gift, to save them in the Semi's
A gift?
Yes, a gift.
Was this gift the disallowed penalty or the free kick which shouldn't have been allowed?
the gift that made england go ahead 2-1.
Denmark was robbed
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God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:39 pm
ozzie owl wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:20 pm
Rookie wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:18 pm Formula 1 star Lando Norris had his $75,000 watch nicked at Wembley as fans ran riot in disgraceful scenes.

It gets worse.

How would this be looked upon for England's chances of holding a world cup in the future?
England and Republic of Ireland are to put a joint bid to host 2030 World Cup. The incidents surrounding the Euro Final would have to negative impact given the world wide coverage,
Why would we host with them?

These incidents happen at every tournament, it's just the media likes to beat up England stories.
Ask the FA.

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Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:51 pm
God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:37 pm
Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:08 pm
God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:33 am
Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:56 am
God is an Englishman wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 pm

Italy needed a rule to save them in a tie as well.
England needed a gift, to save them in the Semi's
A gift?
Yes, a gift.
Was this gift the disallowed penalty or the free kick which shouldn't have been allowed?
the gift that made england go ahead 2-1.
Denmark was robbed
There was no gift though. If you foul someone in your own penalty area then it's nearly always a penalty.
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God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:23 pm
Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:51 pm
God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:37 pm
Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:08 pm
God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:33 am
Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:56 am

England needed a gift, to save them in the Semi's
A gift?
Yes, a gift.
Was this gift the disallowed penalty or the free kick which shouldn't have been allowed?
the gift that made england go ahead 2-1.
Denmark was robbed
There was no gift though. If you foul someone in your own penalty area then it's nearly always a penalty, unless you dive
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MegaBonus wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:53 am ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i think thats an understatement.....a SF loss at the WC and a Final loss at the Euro's is only second to Ramsey himself.

at the risk of being accused of trolling...genuine question...has he overachieved or underachieved????
He's got the best squad of available players I've seen in my lifetime (which predates '66, although I don't remember that far back) and I think that, apart from France, the teams at the Euros were not as strong as they have been in the past, it was an ideal opportunity.
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Sorry to put a dampener on what ended up being a great tournament, but the prematch scenes at Wembley on Sunday will stain the memory of Euro 2020. It was English football at its worst and a reminder that, no matter what progress is made on the pitch by the team, the same mindless idiots who have embarrassed England at World Cups and Euros for decades continue to behave and act like an unwanted guest at a party. The fan disorder and violence played out on TV screens across the globe and will probably kill any hopes of a joint British and Irish bid to host the 2030 World Cup. Why would any nation vote to host it in a country where fans are able to storm the gates to the stadium hours before a major final?
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Michael wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:23 am
Sorry to put a dampener on what ended up being a great tournament, but the prematch scenes at Wembley on Sunday will stain the memory of Euro 2020. It was English football at its worst and a reminder that, no matter what progress is made on the pitch by the team, the same mindless idiots who have embarrassed England at World Cups and Euros for decades continue to behave and act like an unwanted guest at a party. The fan disorder and violence played out on TV screens across the globe and will probably kill any hopes of a joint British and Irish bid to host the 2030 World Cup. Why would any nation vote to host it in a country where fans are able to storm the gates to the stadium hours before a major final?
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agree entirely michael. unfortunately every nation has its share of hand stimulators and the UK is no exeption. BUGGA. :(

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ozzie owl wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:20 pm
Rookie wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:18 pm Formula 1 star Lando Norris had his $75,000 watch nicked at Wembley as fans ran riot in disgraceful scenes.

It gets worse.

How would this be looked upon for England's chances of holding a world cup in the future?
England and Republic of Ireland are to put a joint bid to host 2030 World Cup. The incidents surrounding the Euro Final would have to negative impact given the world wide coverage,
I thought this tournament was great with several European nations hosting games, why can't they get together and bid for the 2030 tournament, would be a certainty to get it, and like they did with the Euro's once you get to the semi's you just move to one location like Wembley???

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theorakle wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:13 am
Michael wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:23 am
Sorry to put a dampener on what ended up being a great tournament, but the prematch scenes at Wembley on Sunday will stain the memory of Euro 2020. It was English football at its worst and a reminder that, no matter what progress is made on the pitch by the team, the same mindless idiots who have embarrassed England at World Cups and Euros for decades continue to behave and act like an unwanted guest at a party. The fan disorder and violence played out on TV screens across the globe and will probably kill any hopes of a joint British and Irish bid to host the 2030 World Cup. Why would any nation vote to host it in a country where fans are able to storm the gates to the stadium hours before a major final?
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agree entirely michael. unfortunately every nation has its share of hand stimulators and the UK is no exeption. BUGGA. :(
Maybe but haven't seen 5,000 ticketless fans break into a stadium at final before.

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Rookie wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:25 am
ozzie owl wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:20 pm
Rookie wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:18 pm Formula 1 star Lando Norris had his $75,000 watch nicked at Wembley as fans ran riot in disgraceful scenes.

It gets worse.

How would this be looked upon for England's chances of holding a world cup in the future?
England and Republic of Ireland are to put a joint bid to host 2030 World Cup. The incidents surrounding the Euro Final would have to negative impact given the world wide coverage,
I thought this tournament was great with several European nations hosting games, why can't they get together and bid for the 2030 tournament, would be a certainty to get it, and like they did with the Euro's once you get to the semi's you just move to one location like Wembley???
Spain/Portugal & Bulgaria/Greece/Romania/Serbia are doing just that. Although the final stadium bit probably won't happen, each country will want a semi at least.

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:D :D :D It's still beautiful to see

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Unread post by Rookie » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:55 am

I thought this tournament was great with several European nations hosting games, why can't they get together and bid for the 2030 tournament, would be a certainty to get it, and like they did with the Euro's once you get to the semi's you just move to one location like Wembley???
UEFA have already come out and conceded the multi host country format was unfair and ultimately favoured England....theyve hinted that they wont structure the tournament like that again. 2 neighbouring countries yes but not cross continental.
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MegaBonus wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:43 am
Unread post by Rookie » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:55 am

I thought this tournament was great with several European nations hosting games, why can't they get together and bid for the 2030 tournament, would be a certainty to get it, and like they did with the Euro's once you get to the semi's you just move to one location like Wembley???
UEFA have already come out and conceded the multi host country format was unfair and ultimately favoured England....theyve hinted that they wont structure the tournament like that again. 2 neighbouring countries yes but not cross continental.
even sweeter to beat them in their own backyard, then?
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Juventino wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:38 am :D :D :D It's still beautiful to see

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Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:31 pm
God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:23 pm
Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:51 pm
God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:37 pm
Michael wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:08 pm
God is an Englishman wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:33 am

A gift?
Yes, a gift.
Was this gift the disallowed penalty or the free kick which shouldn't have been allowed?
the gift that made england go ahead 2-1.
Denmark was robbed
There was no gift though. If you foul someone in your own penalty area then it's nearly always a penalty, unless you dive
corrected for you
How can it be a foul and a dive?
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ozzie owl wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:27 am
theorakle wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:13 am
Michael wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:23 am
Sorry to put a dampener on what ended up being a great tournament, but the prematch scenes at Wembley on Sunday will stain the memory of Euro 2020. It was English football at its worst and a reminder that, no matter what progress is made on the pitch by the team, the same mindless idiots who have embarrassed England at World Cups and Euros for decades continue to behave and act like an unwanted guest at a party. The fan disorder and violence played out on TV screens across the globe and will probably kill any hopes of a joint British and Irish bid to host the 2030 World Cup. Why would any nation vote to host it in a country where fans are able to storm the gates to the stadium hours before a major final?
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agree entirely michael. unfortunately every nation has its share of hand stimulators and the UK is no exeption. BUGGA. :(
Maybe but haven't seen 5,000 ticketless fans break into a stadium at final before.

Where has that number come from?
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MegaBonus wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:43 am
Unread post by Rookie » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:55 am

I thought this tournament was great with several European nations hosting games, why can't they get together and bid for the 2030 tournament, would be a certainty to get it, and like they did with the Euro's once you get to the semi's you just move to one location like Wembley???
UEFA have already come out and conceded the multi host country format was unfair and ultimately favoured England....theyve hinted that they wont structure the tournament like that again. 2 neighbouring countries yes but not cross continental.
Every tournament has a hone nation. How was this tournament any more advantageous than that?
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Km's travelled between countries.....c'mon surely you can see that....

nothing wrong with the host country being stationed in a particular city for as long as possible but when other countries are criss-crossing the continent, of course it becomes a disadvantage.

eg: Belgium a pre tournament favourite travelled approx 5700 MILES in the group stage alone (to Russia twice). then travelled to Spain for the Round of 16 and to Germany for the quarters

2 of Englands knock-out opponents (Denmark and Czech) were amongst the most travelled.

Im not suggesting that England werent worthy of their final appearance but the above highlights the additional 'leg up' the the fixtures and locations afforded them.
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MegaBonus wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:56 pm Km's travelled between countries.....c'mon surely you can see that....

nothing wrong with the host country being stationed in a particular city for as long as possible but when other countries are criss-crossing the continent, of course it becomes a disadvantage.

eg: Belgium a pre tournament favourite travelled approx 5700 MILES in the group stage alone (to Russia twice). then travelled to Spain for the Round of 16 and to Germany for the quarters

2 of Englands knock-out opponents (Denmark and Czech) were amongst the most travelled.

Im not suggesting that England werent worthy of their final appearance but the above highlights the additional 'leg up' the the fixtures and locations afforded them.
I guess australia, USA, Brazil, Russia... can never have a world cup then as the countries are too big.
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Juventino wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:38 am :D :D :D It's still beautiful to see

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They players are probably still out partying and i would imagine Chellini would be leading the way

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