English FA Diving bans- retrospective action
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English FA Diving bans- retrospective action
The English FA has at last (Scottish Football Association implemented procedure in 2011) acted in a responsible manner by introducing diving bans by players missed by the officials on match days. This retrospective action will be seen (or should be seen) by all genuine supporters of the game as a positive step in cutting out the cheating.
It has went on too long and we should welcome such a move, though it should have happened years ago in such a high profile league.
Personally I think part of football is human error (particularly by officials) and it adds to the excitement and controversy but such blatant cheating should not be tolerated. We don't want the game to become a game of umpires (cricket) to a game of referees (football) as outside interference should be kept to a minimum. Do we want referees to get a replay of every controversial decision and stick a finger in the air- don't think so.
However there are certain aspects which need to be readdressed and diving/simulation is certainly one of them.
The new process works like this: Assigned panel will review footage from weekend games from raised complaint from the respective club in relation to alleged simulation. If the panel consider the claim to be valid they will then raise an official complaint against the player and club with the right to appeal the charge. The player if found guilty (prior to appeal) will normally receive a two match ban and the player and club will be informed. If the player or club appeals it would normally carry a three match ban if still found guilty of the offence.
Interesting to note that such behaviour hes been drastically reduced in Scotland (two incidents I can think of this season and both been dealt with) as opposed to many incidents in EPL. Both cases in Scotland resulted in two match bans for each player as they did not appeal- Surprise Surprise!
It has went on too long and we should welcome such a move, though it should have happened years ago in such a high profile league.
Personally I think part of football is human error (particularly by officials) and it adds to the excitement and controversy but such blatant cheating should not be tolerated. We don't want the game to become a game of umpires (cricket) to a game of referees (football) as outside interference should be kept to a minimum. Do we want referees to get a replay of every controversial decision and stick a finger in the air- don't think so.
However there are certain aspects which need to be readdressed and diving/simulation is certainly one of them.
The new process works like this: Assigned panel will review footage from weekend games from raised complaint from the respective club in relation to alleged simulation. If the panel consider the claim to be valid they will then raise an official complaint against the player and club with the right to appeal the charge. The player if found guilty (prior to appeal) will normally receive a two match ban and the player and club will be informed. If the player or club appeals it would normally carry a three match ban if still found guilty of the offence.
Interesting to note that such behaviour hes been drastically reduced in Scotland (two incidents I can think of this season and both been dealt with) as opposed to many incidents in EPL. Both cases in Scotland resulted in two match bans for each player as they did not appeal- Surprise Surprise!
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BRAVO - The English FA have done something right for once.
The only (and it's quite a major issue) is that if the ref sees it it's a booking, if he doesn't it's a 2 match ban. How's that right?
The only (and it's quite a major issue) is that if the ref sees it it's a booking, if he doesn't it's a 2 match ban. How's that right?
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Agree. Yet to see how it will work in practice, but a laudable idea.God is an Englishman wrote:BRAVO - The English FA have done something right for once.
The only (and it's quite a major issue) is that if the ref sees it it's a booking, if he doesn't it's a 2 match ban. How's that right?
I reckon that refs will give less free kicks for simulation (not that they give many atm anyway) and leave it to the review panel.
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I think the main issue is to try and stamp it out of the game, so anything that will discourage it is ok in my book. If the ref sees it, well it will have at least some consequence as it does today, but its those who get away with it on the day can at least sit out and wonder whether it was worth it. Its the "big" games (finals etc) that they wont care and that to me is the only time where some will most likely be more willing to take the risk.
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Interesting to note that Klopp and Allardyce are poles apart on this one. Klopp supports it and Allardyce says it is rubbish and a waste of money. Perhaps big Sam doesn't want other people to make money from the game, him being a fine upstanding citizen when it comes to earning a fast buck or two! Think most would back the idea as a starting point to see how effectively it works in England.
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If the ref sees it and gives Yellow card I think that's fair enough but it's when he misses it that the real issue comes to the fore.
If the player who dived and it was missed was already on a yellow, or got one later, then he would have been sent off, so by being noticed by the panel he gets what he should have got in the first place.
However, if he hasn't already got a yellow and didn't get any more yellows he gets two matches which is a stronger penalty than he should have, now is that fair?
So, perhaps the panel should award a yellow against said player rather than a Red, which carries a two-match penalty?
If the player who dived and it was missed was already on a yellow, or got one later, then he would have been sent off, so by being noticed by the panel he gets what he should have got in the first place.
However, if he hasn't already got a yellow and didn't get any more yellows he gets two matches which is a stronger penalty than he should have, now is that fair?
So, perhaps the panel should award a yellow against said player rather than a Red, which carries a two-match penalty?
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A diver can't cry about anything being not fair.
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Might be based on the notion that when dele ali dives and gets a penalty from it, the consequences for the offended club and the game itself can be severe, - struggling club sinks closer into relegation battle, manager sacked, integrity of the game called into question etc. so a harsh punishment is warranted (I would go 5 games if a goal results). However when dele ali dives and ref sees it, neither he, his horrible little outfit nor their numpty fans benefit so referees decision & yellow is deemed sufficient. Possibly something along those linesGod is an Englishman wrote:BRAVO - The English FA have done something right for once.
The only (and it's quite a major issue) is that if the ref sees it it's a booking, if he doesn't it's a 2 match ban. How's that right?
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N5 1BH wrote:Might be based on the notion that when dele ali dives and gets a penalty from it, the consequences for the offended club and the game itself can be severe, - struggling club sinks closer into relegation battle, manager sacked, integrity of the game called into question etc. so a harsh punishment is warranted (I would go 5 games if a goal results). However when dele ali dives and ref sees it, neither he, his horrible little outfit nor their numpty fans benefit so referees decision & yellow is deemed sufficient. Possibly something along those linesGod is an Englishman wrote:BRAVO - The English FA have done something right for once.
The only (and it's quite a major issue) is that if the ref sees it it's a booking, if he doesn't it's a 2 match ban. How's that right?
Somebody's not too happy with Dele Ali are they.
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Herrera's going to struggle
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