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N5 1BH wrote:Can’t see the relevance of Euro 96 to this thread or even how that article is gushing about it. However if you really need to compare, I can still remember a fair bit of 96 can anyone remember anything from the comp a couple of weeks ago.

Euro 96 included Bergkamp, Hagi, Stoichkov, Zidane, Shearer, Gascoine, Zola, Del piero, Sukor , Klinsman,the Laudrops, Bergkamp and many more. The extra time nil –nils were down to the golden goal experiment but the 90 minute games were mostly quality.

Apart from an under par Ronaldo Euro 2016 included Giroud, Hal Robson, Eeyore, Dobbin etc. The games were generally dull, low quality played on low quality pitches by low quality players. 200 quid to see NI v Wales, wait a few weeks and you could pay 30 to watch Blackburn v Forest what’s the difference? You would need your head read to think Euro 2016 reached the pinnacle of football experiences.
Nobody would say Euro 2016 is the pinnacle. Wasn't as good as a couple of recent tournaments like 2000 and 2012. But I've heard it been called the worst tournament since Italia '90. For me, not a chance. Not when tournaments like 2002 and 2010 exist. But that was also a point about Euro '96. Never gets called up, in the English speaking media, as the average tournament it was. Probably because a certain team made it to the Semi-finals...

1996 has the lowest goal average since expanding to 16 teams. You can bet if this tournament lowered that, it would be a black mark on its name. But I will agree that golden goal was a rubbish rule that only made teams scared. Not that 1996 was the only tournament to have the rule. Games being dull is subjective. I don't think there were that many, but yes the Wales v NI game was one of them.

No point in just naming names from 1996 (and Bergkamp twice :wink:). If I named Pogba, it would be ridiculed for his 'awful tournament'. So why name Del Piero, who played 45 minutes in England? Zidane hadn't hit his groove. They are names remembered for their overall career who happened to play in the tournament, not those who left a huge impression on it. Not to say others in the list didn't perform or that it didn't have great players, but we don't tend to remember individual performances of yesteryear or critique as we would with Pogba and the rest. And you are selling 2016 without mentioning the likes of Griezmann, Iniesta, Ramsey, Renato Sanches, etc.

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Pie and Bovril wrote:This thread once again proving the infatuation by non-English people with the England football team.
No different to the infatuation by poms re the Aussie team not that long back.
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N5 1BH wrote:Can’t see the relevance of Euro 96 to this thread or even how that article is gushing about it. However if you really need to compare, I can still remember a fair bit of 96 can anyone remember anything from the comp a couple of weeks ago.

Euro 96 included Bergkamp, Hagi, Stoichkov, Zidane, Shearer, Gascoine, Zola, Del piero, Sukor , Klinsman,the Laudrops, Bergkamp and many more. The extra time nil –nils were down to the golden goal experiment but the 90 minute games were mostly quality.

Apart from an under par Ronaldo Euro 2016 included Giroud, Hal Robson, Eeyore, Dobbin etc. The games were generally dull, low quality played on low quality pitches by low quality players. 200 quid to see NI v Wales, wait a few weeks and you could pay 30 to watch Blackburn v Forest what’s the difference? You would need your head read to think Euro 2016 reached the pinnacle of football experiences.
Nobody would say Euro 2016 is the pinnacle. Wasn't as good as a couple of recent tournaments like 2000 and 2012. But I've heard it been called the worst tournament since Italia '90. For me, not a chance. Not when tournaments like 2002 and 2010 exist. But that was also a point about Euro '96. Never gets called up, in the English speaking media, as the average tournament it was. Probably because a certain team made it to the Semi-finals...

1996 has the lowest goal average since expanding to 16 teams. You can bet if this tournament lowered that, it would be a black mark on its name. But I will agree that golden goal was a rubbish rule that only made teams scared. Not that 1996 was the only tournament to have the rule. Games being dull is subjective. I don't think there were that many, but yes the Wales v NI game was one of them.

No point in just naming names from 1996 (and Bergkamp twice :wink:). If I named Pogba, it would be ridiculed for his 'awful tournament'. So why name Del Piero, who played 45 minutes in England? Zidane hadn't hit his groove. They are names remembered for their overall career who happened to play in the tournament, not those who left a huge impression on it. Not to say others in the list didn't perform or that it didn't have great players, but we don't tend to remember individual performances of yesteryear or critique as we would with Pogba and the rest. And you are selling 2016 without mentioning the likes of Griezmann, Iniesta, Ramsey, Renato Sanches, etc.
You seem to be the one going on about 96 the most.
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Justice for the 96.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:
Pie and Bovril wrote:This thread once again proving the infatuation by non-English people with the England football team.
No different to the infatuation by poms re the Aussie team not that long back.
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Refer Aussie national team forum. Might jog your memory.
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Wasn't that about England as well?
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N5 1BH wrote:Can’t see the relevance of Euro 96 to this thread or even how that article is gushing about it. However if you really need to compare, I can still remember a fair bit of 96 can anyone remember anything from the comp a couple of weeks ago.

Euro 96 included Bergkamp, Hagi, Stoichkov, Zidane, Shearer, Gascoine, Zola, Del piero, Sukor , Klinsman,the Laudrops, Bergkamp and many more. The extra time nil –nils were down to the golden goal experiment but the 90 minute games were mostly quality.

Apart from an under par Ronaldo Euro 2016 included Giroud, Hal Robson, Eeyore, Dobbin etc. The games were generally dull, low quality played on low quality pitches by low quality players. 200 quid to see NI v Wales, wait a few weeks and you could pay 30 to watch Blackburn v Forest what’s the difference? You would need your head read to think Euro 2016 reached the pinnacle of football experiences.
Nobody would say Euro 2016 is the pinnacle. Wasn't as good as a couple of recent tournaments like 2000 and 2012. But I've heard it been called the worst tournament since Italia '90. For me, not a chance. Not when tournaments like 2002 and 2010 exist. But that was also a point about Euro '96. Never gets called up, in the English speaking media, as the average tournament it was. Probably because a certain team made it to the Semi-finals...

1996 has the lowest goal average since expanding to 16 teams. You can bet if this tournament lowered that, it would be a black mark on its name. But I will agree that golden goal was a rubbish rule that only made teams scared. Not that 1996 was the only tournament to have the rule. Games being dull is subjective. I don't think there were that many, but yes the Wales v NI game was one of them.

No point in just naming names from 1996 (and Bergkamp twice :wink:). If I named Pogba, it would be ridiculed for his 'awful tournament'. So why name Del Piero, who played 45 minutes in England? Zidane hadn't hit his groove. They are names remembered for their overall career who happened to play in the tournament, not those who left a huge impression on it. Not to say others in the list didn't perform or that it didn't have great players, but we don't tend to remember individual performances of yesteryear or critique as we would with Pogba and the rest. And you are selling 2016 without mentioning the likes of Griezmann, Iniesta, Ramsey, Renato Sanches, etc.
You seem to be the one going on about 96 the most.
Only to make a point. I don't see 2016 as being as bad as it was made out to be.

I would agree that there were better players in that generation than the current one and that international tournaments on the whole are not what they once were. When you factor in the dominance of club football and the fact you can pretty much see any player you want on any given week, the wow factor has disappeared. It has hurt international tournaments overall, but they still have value.

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So you have gone on about 96 to prove that the English go on about 96?
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God is an Englishman wrote:Wasn't that about England as well?
It was more about Australia, otherwise why would you even bother visiting a forum solely about Australian national teams? Infatuation!!
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God is an Englishman wrote:So you have gone on about 96 to prove that the English go on about 96?
From my observations over the past few weeks.

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Juventino wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:So you have gone on about 96 to prove that the English go on about 96?
From my observations over the past few weeks.
First time I even heard about it was from you.
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Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Wasn't that about England as well?
It was more about Australia, otherwise why would you even bother visiting a forum solely about Australian national teams? Infatuation!!
what was the thread called?
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Wasn't that about England as well?
It was more about Australia, otherwise why would you even bother visiting a forum solely about Australian national teams? Infatuation!!
what was the thread called?
There could be umpteen threads about Croydon on the women's forum for all I know, but I don't visit something that I have little interest in. Only time I went there from memory was to advertise for a new womens team for Croydon and when we were looking for a secretary to take minutes etc for the official Friday lunches. I ignored any other topics.
On the contrary, you seem quite interested in Aussie national team football - there's the difference.
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So you posted in the women's forum, you must be infatuated with women's football.
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God is an Englishman wrote:So you posted in the women's forum, you must be infatuated with women's football.
Women, yes, their football, no.

You still see everything in black and white, as usual.
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God is an Englishman wrote:So you posted in the women's forum, you must be infatuated with women's football.
Women, yes, their football, no.

You still see everything in black and white, as usual.

These days the Football attracts me more than their sex. :roll:
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Old Master wrote:
Bomber wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:So you posted in the women's forum, you must be infatuated with women's football.
Women, yes, their football, no.

You still see everything in black and white, as usual.

These days the Football attracts me more than their sex. :roll:
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You still see everything in black and white, as usual.[/quote]


These days the Football attracts me more than their sex. :roll:[/quote]

Try Viagra then[/quote]


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Juventino wrote:I suppose after 49 years and however many days of rubbish, you start to get pessimistic about these things.

49 years and 356 days now :wink:


and with Big Sam on board, that number is sure to rise :)
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Kosta Utd wrote:
Juventino wrote:I suppose after 49 years and however many days of rubbish, you start to get pessimistic about these things.

49 years and 356 days now :wink:


and with Big Sam on board, that number is sure to rise :)
Well of course it's going to rise, every country's number is rising.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Kosta Utd wrote:
Juventino wrote:I suppose after 49 years and however many days of rubbish, you start to get pessimistic about these things.

49 years and 356 days now :wink:


and with Big Sam on board, that number is sure to rise :)
Well of course it's going to rise, every country's number is rising.

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Kosta Utd wrote: In 9 days i can have a sig stating 50 years without a title without argument from you :D
You would need to reword it otherwise you would still be wrong.

I can put one up now about either of your countries and the (football) world cup though
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Kosta Utd wrote: In 9 days i can have a sig stating 50 years without a title without argument from you :D
You would need to reword it otherwise you would still be wrong.

I can put one up now about either of your countries and the (football) world cup though

go ahead, knock yourself out....
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Wayne Kerr wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
Kosta Utd wrote: In 9 days i can have a sig stating 50 years without a title without argument from you :D
You would need to reword it otherwise you would still be wrong.

I can put one up now about either of your countries and the (football) world cup though

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God is an Englishman wrote:
Kosta Utd wrote: In 9 days i can have a sig stating 50 years without a title without argument from you :D
You would need to reword it otherwise you would still be wrong.

I can put one up now about either of your countries and the (football) world cup though

who gives a shiraz what you do? go for it son

you are right tho.. will need to future proof it

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btw

49 years and 357 days
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Kosta Utd wrote:btw

49 years and 357 days
When you post this, all you do is show you were wrong
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