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Gotta love Chinese whispers
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Don't be so mischievous......you know I was referring to the keepers primary role of stopping goals...
Gee....ManU are shiraz boring to watch.
Gee....ManU are shiraz boring to watch.
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And in his primary goal and stopping the goals he can still win you a game.MegaBonus wrote:Don't be so mischievous......you know I was referring to the keepers primary role of stopping goals...
Gee....ManU are shiraz boring to watch.
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A goal keeper stops certain goals, that's as good as scoring. If he pulls of 3 of this saves in a game and you win 1-0. Has he not won you the game?
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No....he has saved the game....
Only offensive acts win games ie scoring a goal
Defensive acts...a goalkeepers stopping a shot preventing a goal saves games
You can only win through offensive acts....after all, that's what the game's objective is all about...
Only offensive acts win games ie scoring a goal
Defensive acts...a goalkeepers stopping a shot preventing a goal saves games
You can only win through offensive acts....after all, that's what the game's objective is all about...
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They wouldn't have won unless he made those saves, he won the game just as much as the goal scorer.
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No.....they only won because they scored more than the opposition....scoring goals is offensive action
Cmon Hawksy, I know you're better than that...
Cmon Hawksy, I know you're better than that...
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I was going to say the same, they would have lost was it not for the keeper. Therefore, in the scenario above, they won because of him.MegaBonus wrote:No.....they only won because they scored more than the opposition....scoring goals is offensive action
Cmon Hawksy, I know you're better than that...
You coach don't you? I'd have thought with you in that position you'd understand that every player is equally important and each player can win and lose you games. Maybe that's why you are only in the collegiate league?
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Wow...mustve hit a nerve.....
Adl go 1-0 up via a Bruce goal. Brisbane are awarded a 90th min penalty which Eugene saves. In fact, Eugene saves again in the 93rd and 95th minutes...
Who won the game for Adl and who saved it?
your reasoning breaks down also because of the intermediate result possible...
Adl go 1-0 up via a Bruce goal. Brisbane are awarded a 90th min penalty which Eugene saves. In fact, Eugene saves again in the 93rd and 95th minutes...
Who won the game for Adl and who saved it?
your reasoning breaks down also because of the intermediate result possible...
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An offensive act will put you in front in a game, however a defensive act may be required to keep you there....both combined is how games are won.MegaBonus wrote:No....he has saved the game....
Only offensive acts win games ie scoring a goal
Defensive acts...a goalkeepers stopping a shot preventing a goal saves games
You can only win through offensive acts....after all, that's what the game's objective is all about...
The game is exactly that...the full 90+ minutes.
You can actually win games with a defensive act...defender miskicks a clearance or passes back incorrectly and scores an own goal...team wins by the single own goal.
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I guess higher order thinking skills aren't a strength of yours...
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i guess being part of a team isn't even a part of yoursMegaBonus wrote:I guess higher order thinking skills aren't a strength of yours...
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If that was aimed at me I had a giggle at your presumed intellectual aloofness.MegaBonus wrote:I guess higher order thinking skills aren't a strength of yours...
If it was not aimed at me I also had a giggle at your presumed intellectual aloofness.
Either way, I giggled....higher order thinking on a football furum
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Ease up Swanny, the comment wasn't directed at you....it was a sarcastic dig said in jest at Hawksey....our beloved intellect.
anyway...that's how I see it....I know youre a keeper and might be sensitive but I never suggested that keepers don't have an offensive role to play in the game...
a keeper can make 100 saves to keep the score at 0-0 and yet haven't contributed to a win. keeper saves and defensive action only maintain the status quo (unless in the rare situations it leads to an own goal)
anyway...that's how I see it....I know youre a keeper and might be sensitive but I never suggested that keepers don't have an offensive role to play in the game...
a keeper can make 100 saves to keep the score at 0-0 and yet haven't contributed to a win. keeper saves and defensive action only maintain the status quo (unless in the rare situations it leads to an own goal)
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^^^^^^^^^
now youre being silly or intentionally mischievous...
now youre being silly or intentionally mischievous...
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Well, they don't contribute to a win.MegaBonus wrote:^^^^^^^^^
now youre being silly or intentionally mischievous...
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Can you win a game without a keeper?MegaBonus wrote:.keepers don't win you games...they save them....
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ObviouslyGod is an Englishman wrote:Can you win a game without a keeper?MegaBonus wrote:.keepers don't win you games...they save them....
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I'd like to see you try. It's not possible to win a game without a keeper.Nice One Cyril wrote:ObviouslyGod is an Englishman wrote:Can you win a game without a keeper?MegaBonus wrote:.keepers don't win you games...they save them....
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Rubbish. Unlikely doesn't mean not possible.God is an Englishman wrote:I'd like to see you try. It's not possible to win a game without a keeper.Nice One Cyril wrote:ObviouslyGod is an Englishman wrote:Can you win a game without a keeper?
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Semantics. It's entirely possible to win without a player playing in goal. He may have to wear the strip, but doesn't have to play there.God is an Englishman wrote:It is completely impossible to win a game of football without a goalkeeper.
I did wonder for a second where you were going with this one
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You reckon if the Modbury jets c team played Barcelona and Barca played with no 'keeper the Jets would win?God is an Englishman wrote:It is completely impossible to win a game of football without a goalkeeper.
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He's going down the LOTG route that you have to have a keeper. I was a bit slow to cotton on.New Year New name wrote:You reckon if the Modbury jets c team played Barcelona and Barca played with no 'keeper the Jets would win?God is an Englishman wrote:It is completely impossible to win a game of football without a goalkeeper.
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I really should read more than the last 3 postsNice One Cyril wrote:He's going down the LOTG route that you have to have a keeper. I was a bit slow to cotton on.New Year New name wrote:You reckon if the Modbury jets c team played Barcelona and Barca played with no 'keeper the Jets would win?God is an Englishman wrote:It is completely impossible to win a game of football without a goalkeeper.
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I would guarantee itNew Year New name wrote:You reckon if the Modbury jets c team played Barcelona and Barca played with no 'keeper the Jets would win?God is an Englishman wrote:It is completely impossible to win a game of football without a goalkeeper.