What exactly is the 'Quenelle" Anelka used?
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What exactly is the 'Quenelle" Anelka used?
French footballer Nicolas Anelka has denied accusations of anti-Semitism after celebrating a goal by performing a controversial hand gesture known as a "quenelle". What is it?
The gesture involves touching or gripping your shoulder with one hand while holding the palm of your other hand outstretched and pointing to the ground. Some describe it as a combination of the bras d'honneur with a bent arm (which means "up yours") and the Nazi salute.
It is the trademark of the hugely controversial French comedian Dieudonne M'Bala M'Bala, who once said he would like to put a quenelle - a rugby-ball-shaped serving of fish or meat paste - up the backside of Zionists.
Dieudonne made the gesture when he headed his own anti-Zionist campaign in the European elections in 2009. French media trace it further back, to one of his performances in 2005. It came to greater prominence in September when two soldiers were photographed appearing to make the gesture outside a Paris synagogue.
There are thousands of examples posted online, some at sensitive sites such as the Auschwitz death camp, and Dieudonne's fans can be seen repeating it outside his theatre.
West Bromwich Albion striker Anelka said on Twitter it was dedicated to his "comedian friend" - who has been convicted of making anti-Semitic remarks and now faces a ban on public appearances. Both Anelka and Dieudonne say it is an anti-establishment symbol of defiance. But the French sports minister, Valerie Fourneyron, was one of many to disagree with the footballer's interpretation, saying it was sickening and incited racial hatred.
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It's a hand gesture devised by French comedian Dieudonne, who says it's an anti-establishment symbol
But many view it as an anti-Semitic gesture, reminiscent of the Nazi salute
People have been photographed making the sign outside synagogues and at Holocaust sites
Can you accidentally do a Nazi salute?
Jean-Yves Camus, a French academic who studies the extreme right, told the Independent the quenelle has become a "badge of identity, especially among the young, but it is doubtful that all of them understand its true meaning". He says Dieudonne has become the hero of a movement convinced the world is run by Washington and Tel Aviv.
"I think it's likely to be more complex than just being associated with the far right," says Jim Shields of Aston University, an expert on the French far right, because Dieudonne has been involved with anti-racist left-wing activists as well as far-right activists. "At the moment, the use of this gesture seems too diffuse to fit any simple right-left interpretation."
Anelka is not the first French footballer playing in England to make the gesture. Samir Nasri and Mamadou Sakho were also photographed in this way, although Sakho later tweeted that he had been tricked and didn't realise its true meaning.
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So, there you have it -it is a derogatory symbol invented by a man who is a Right Wing Anti-Semetist - Anelka supports this man, so he was using a Racist Symbol - so he deserves to be banned.
Up until I did some research on this, I didn't think it was racist, but now I know better.
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The gesture involves touching or gripping your shoulder with one hand while holding the palm of your other hand outstretched and pointing to the ground. Some describe it as a combination of the bras d'honneur with a bent arm (which means "up yours") and the Nazi salute.
It is the trademark of the hugely controversial French comedian Dieudonne M'Bala M'Bala, who once said he would like to put a quenelle - a rugby-ball-shaped serving of fish or meat paste - up the backside of Zionists.
Dieudonne made the gesture when he headed his own anti-Zionist campaign in the European elections in 2009. French media trace it further back, to one of his performances in 2005. It came to greater prominence in September when two soldiers were photographed appearing to make the gesture outside a Paris synagogue.
There are thousands of examples posted online, some at sensitive sites such as the Auschwitz death camp, and Dieudonne's fans can be seen repeating it outside his theatre.
West Bromwich Albion striker Anelka said on Twitter it was dedicated to his "comedian friend" - who has been convicted of making anti-Semitic remarks and now faces a ban on public appearances. Both Anelka and Dieudonne say it is an anti-establishment symbol of defiance. But the French sports minister, Valerie Fourneyron, was one of many to disagree with the footballer's interpretation, saying it was sickening and incited racial hatred.
Continue reading the main story
The answer
It's a hand gesture devised by French comedian Dieudonne, who says it's an anti-establishment symbol
But many view it as an anti-Semitic gesture, reminiscent of the Nazi salute
People have been photographed making the sign outside synagogues and at Holocaust sites
Can you accidentally do a Nazi salute?
Jean-Yves Camus, a French academic who studies the extreme right, told the Independent the quenelle has become a "badge of identity, especially among the young, but it is doubtful that all of them understand its true meaning". He says Dieudonne has become the hero of a movement convinced the world is run by Washington and Tel Aviv.
"I think it's likely to be more complex than just being associated with the far right," says Jim Shields of Aston University, an expert on the French far right, because Dieudonne has been involved with anti-racist left-wing activists as well as far-right activists. "At the moment, the use of this gesture seems too diffuse to fit any simple right-left interpretation."
Anelka is not the first French footballer playing in England to make the gesture. Samir Nasri and Mamadou Sakho were also photographed in this way, although Sakho later tweeted that he had been tricked and didn't realise its true meaning.
Reporting by Tom Geoghegan
Follow @BBCNewsMagazine on Twitter and on Facebook
So, there you have it -it is a derogatory symbol invented by a man who is a Right Wing Anti-Semetist - Anelka supports this man, so he was using a Racist Symbol - so he deserves to be banned.
Up until I did some research on this, I didn't think it was racist, but now I know better.
Always do the Research to find out the truth before you comment publicly!
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Re: What exactly is the 'Quenelle" Anelka used?
Goal celebrations themselves are an interesting point. They can be funny, they can be over the top, but really so much these days involves kissing a badge (yes, they love the club until a better offer comes along), gesturing to the wife/GF/recent baby/their "god", or taking the piss out of home fans (the old hand to ear, "its all gone quiet over here" stuff), pulling up the shirt to read a message on t-shirt worn underneath. Then there's ten people jumping on you (well, just pray you dont get injured because if an opponent touched you just 5% as hard, you'd be rolling around the floor), now "political" salutes.
Looking forward to some original goal celebrations herewith, even if they just are happy with scoring, acknowledge the person/s who set the goal up and actually jog back for the re-start!
Looking forward to some original goal celebrations herewith, even if they just are happy with scoring, acknowledge the person/s who set the goal up and actually jog back for the re-start!
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Re: What exactly is the 'Quenelle" Anelka used?
Alan Shearer had the best. Simple raise of the right hand. Legend.
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[politically correct knob mode on]Blueblood wrote:Alan Shearer had the best. Simple raise of the right hand. Legend.
Looked awfully like the Nazi salute!
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Footballers are generally dumb and removed from boundaries of what's accepted in society.
Ignorance is no excuse but gee you could construe anything as offensive to a particular demographic.
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If Suarez got 9 games for calling Patrice Evra a little black man, Anelka will be lucky to kick a ball again?
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Shearers was the simple "Geordie salute" if I'm not wrong here wasn't it? :?The Kop wrote:[politically correct knob mode on]Blueblood wrote:Alan Shearer had the best. Simple raise of the right hand. Legend.
Looked awfully like the Nazi salute!
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Footballers are generally dumb and removed from boundaries of what's accepted in society.
Ignorance is no excuse but gee you could construe anything as offensive to a particular demographic.
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Re: What exactly is the 'Quenelle" Anelka used?
Yes not that similar to the seich heil I don't think, it just used to crack me up after he scored a cracker, just a little raise of the hand, a bit like owning up to a fartChaos wrote:Shearers was the simple "Geordie salute" if I'm not wrong here wasn't it? :?The Kop wrote:[politically correct knob mode on]Blueblood wrote:Alan Shearer had the best. Simple raise of the right hand. Legend.
Looked awfully like the Nazi salute!
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Simunic misses a world cup for making a nationalist speech (which some in turn have interpreted as Nazi)
& Anelka only gets 5 games for an anti-semetic gesture?
Suarez gets 9 for calling Evra a black man in Spanish (which whatever language is used, Evra is for all intents and purposes a black man).
Obviously you are only as racist as the colour of your skin.
& Anelka only gets 5 games for an anti-semetic gesture?
Suarez gets 9 for calling Evra a black man in Spanish (which whatever language is used, Evra is for all intents and purposes a black man).
Obviously you are only as racist as the colour of your skin.
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Re: What exactly is the 'Quenelle" Anelka used?
Just looked like an arrogant shít to me. Never liked him in those days, but don't mind him as a pundit on MOTD.Blueblood wrote:Alan Shearer had the best. Simple raise of the right hand. Legend.
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Black_Panther wrote:Simunic misses a world cup for making a nationalist speech (which some in turn have interpreted as Nazi)
& Anelka only gets 5 games for an anti-semetic gesture?
Suarez gets 9 for calling Evra a black man in Spanish (which whatever language is used, Evra is for all intents and purposes a black man).
Obviously you are only as racist as the colour of your skin.
There's not been any punishment handed out yet - they meet next Tuesday to decide if there is any offence committed, as far as I am aware.
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Re: What exactly is the 'Quenelle" Anelka used?
oldfart wrote:Black_Panther wrote:Simunic misses a world cup for making a nationalist speech (which some in turn have interpreted as Nazi)
& Anelka only gets 5 games for an anti-semetic gesture?
Suarez gets 9 for calling Evra a black man in Spanish (which whatever language is used, Evra is for all intents and purposes a black man).
Obviously you are only as racist as the colour of your skin.
There's not been any punishment handed out yet - they meet next Tuesday to decide if there is any offence committed, as far as I am aware.
Ooops! I missed the decision being announced.
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