Laws of game

[spooky1972]

Scenario
Player is standing in an offside position, another player shoots on goal, his shot is straight into a defender which then deflects to the player in an offside position.

Is a deflection considered the same as an intentional pass back by the defending team to a player offside.

Linesman flagged offside and the ref over ruled him after consultation, who is right?

[RowePark]

Scenario
Player is standing in an offside position, another player shoots on goal, his shot is straight into a defender which then deflects to the player in an offside position.

Is a deflection considered the same as an intentional pass back by the defending team to a player offside.

Linesman flagged offside and the ref over ruled him after consultation, who is right?

unintentional deflection = player offside
playing the ball = player not offside

[spooky1972]

Scenario
Player is standing in an offside position, another player shoots on goal, his shot is straight into a defender which then deflects to the player in an offside position.

Is a deflection considered the same as an intentional pass back by the defending team to a player offside.

Linesman flagged offside and the ref over ruled him after consultation, who is right?

unintentional deflection = player offside
playing the ball = player not offside

That's what I thought but apparently not

[God is an Englishman]

Scenario
Player is standing in an offside position, another player shoots on goal, his shot is straight into a defender which then deflects to the player in an offside position.

Is a deflection considered the same as an intentional pass back by the defending team to a player offside.

Linesman flagged offside and the ref over ruled him after consultation, who is right?

unintentional deflection = player offside
playing the ball = player not offside

That's what I thought but apparently not

Above description is correct on the laws. Maybe the ref felt it wasn't a "deflection".

[Hydration Officer]

I would've thought if the attacker was in an offside position when the ball is kicked, and the ball comes off a defender or even rebounds of the post and goes directly to that attacker, is he not gaining advantage by being in offside position ? therefore would that be offside ?
I would've said the linesman was correct.

[God is an Englishman]

Off the post - offside

Off the defender (deflected) - offside

Ball played by the defender - onside

[God is an Englishman]

A good example is Vardy's goal v Wales

[RowePark]

as above, also GK parry is deflection i am pretty sure as well

[God is an Englishman]

as above, also GK parry is deflection i am pretty sure as well

Correct

[The General]

Scenario
Player is standing in an offside position, another player shoots on goal, his shot is straight into a defender which then deflects to the player in an offside position.

Is a deflection considered the same as an intentional pass back by the defending team to a player offside.

Linesman flagged offside and the ref over ruled him after consultation, who is right?

The answer is in your first sentence - the player is in an offside position, someone has a shot, it deflects of a defender to that player, he is offside.
We start getting too technical and adding other scenarios will only confuse things.

Too often we see the striker who knows he is in an offside position, and is too lazy to run back onside, hoping to gain unfair advantage.

[spooky1972]

Does your example come from the game at HQ on Saturday?

yeah it was at HQ. It didn't affect the out come but the linesman did officiate offside and the ref over ruled him. The Ref used Vardy as a reason as to why the goal was allowed, even after we explained the difference from an intentional and unintentional pass.

[spooky1972]

Even more rumors about ref decisions is the story coming out of a Sat Div 2 game. Team were 1-0 up, the goal keeper was taking a goal kick, he was taking his time, and a free kick given in the box against him. The free kick then resulted in a goal and the points shared as the ref blew the final whistle.

Isn't it against the rules to issue a free kick when the ball is not in play?
Since when is time wasting a free kick?

[RowePark]

Even more rumors about ref decisions is the story coming out of a Sat Div 2 game. Team were 1-0 up, the goal keeper was taking a goal kick, he was taking his time, and a free kick given in the box against him. The free kick then resulted in a goal and the points shared as the ref blew the final whistle.

Isn't it against the rules to issue a free kick when the ball is not in play?
Since when is time wasting a free kick?

looks like those teams confirmed the result so must be happy, but you are correct, it is not a free kick. just a caution to hurry up.

[God is an Englishman]

Even more rumors about ref decisions is the story coming out of a Sat Div 2 game. Team were 1-0 up, the goal keeper was taking a goal kick, he was taking his time, and a free kick given in the box against him. The free kick then resulted in a goal and the points shared as the ref blew the final whistle.

Isn't it against the rules to issue a free kick when the ball is not in play?
Since when is time wasting a free kick?

Can't give a free kick for time wasting. Unless you include the IDFK for the keeper holding the ball for more than 6 seconds.

Was this a club ref or SAASRA?

[Bomber]

Even more rumors about ref decisions is the story coming out of a Sat Div 2 game. Team were 1-0 up, the goal keeper was taking a goal kick, he was taking his time, and a free kick given in the box against him. The free kick then resulted in a goal and the points shared as the ref blew the final whistle.

Isn't it against the rules to issue a free kick when the ball is not in play?
Since when is time wasting a free kick?

Can't give a free kick for time wasting. Unless you include the IDFK for the keeper holding the ball for more than 6 seconds.

Was this a club ref or SAASRA?

This 6 second rule I wish someone would explain to Fed ref Gary Mooney. Our cup semi v Metro the keeper held the ball for an eternity, our players were appealing for at least 5-10 seconds after he just stood there holding the ball already for at least 10 seconds prior.
Instead, Gary tells our players to "shut it" and get out of his (the keeper's) way - they weren't impeding him anyway, they even stood aside metres apart gesturing him to release the ball!

[God is an Englishman]

The Slovakia keeper on Monday was doing the same. At one point it got up to 15 seconds.

[spooky1972]

Even more rumors about ref decisions is the story coming out of a Sat Div 2 game. Team were 1-0 up, the goal keeper was taking a goal kick, he was taking his time, and a free kick given in the box against him. The free kick then resulted in a goal and the points shared as the ref blew the final whistle.

Isn't it against the rules to issue a free kick when the ball is not in play?
Since when is time wasting a free kick?

Can't give a free kick for time wasting. Unless you include the IDFK for the keeper holding the ball for more than 6 seconds.

Was this a club ref or SAASRA?

this was Seniors, a SAASRA Ref, in fact both examples were SAASRA Refs